Scriptures....abortion......an d behaviors

If someone thought you hated women then they would call you a misogynist, not a sexist.

Misogynist - noun - a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women: - http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/misogynist

Sexist - noun [mass noun] - prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex: - http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/sexism?q=sexist#sexism__4

I have never seen ANYONE say you hate women.

 

I don't' stereotype women.

 

Just to continue this as I have a little more time now.

I thought you said that the bible writers were inspired by god, what ever culture they were part of should not have made a blind bit of difference, they were after all (according to you) writing down god's words .. or are you saying that god was influenced by the culture.

Yet god wasn't clear was he, otherwise why would you need to interpret what is written, why are there numerous version of Christianity throughout the world, why are you not all singing from the same hymn sheet (pun intended)?

In that case why do the degrees of punishment differ, if all sin is wrong then shouldn't the punishments be the same?

and yet it is forgiven every day, people take Chirsts name in vain all the time . .go to church, confess and are forgiven, or is it a lie that the church can forgive

Which law, the ones that Jesus came to fulfill, all 613 of them .. or the ones that fit the a la carte Christians of today.

and that directly contradicts Matt 12:32, which clearly states that to speak against the holy ghost (god, jesus) is a sin that CANNOT be forgiven, not on this world or the next . so which is it?

 

God law has always been the same. The definition has never changed and His standards have not either. The way someone or their culture interprets that Law of course is up to them, right or wrong, they have free will. So cultures and people change....Gods laws do not. Sex outside marriage will always be sin...same sex unions will always be sin, stealing will always be sin as is lying, coveting, lusting and murder..etc. People and cultures try to justify what they think and do...and the only way they can do it is to literally change the meaning or try to at least...Gods law. This is watered down theology. It is very easy to see what Gods standards are with a careful reading of the Bible. I am not talking about picking a few scriptures out to make a point...the entire Bible.

God was crystal clear about a lot of things. There are enough scriptures that talk about marriage to deduct that marriage is between one man and one woman. There is not one example in the entire Bible that blesses or even is used as an example of same sex marriage. There are scriptures that talk about the sinful nature about sex sex unions. Do we have to have rules written down on paper to know they are wrong? If there were no laws written down anywhere on earth...would that make rape ok? Murder ok? The fact is for the Christian Gods law is written down. Certainly people can interpret points differently but not the big ones. Jesus said for example that HE was the only way to the FAther...that those who did not believe in Him would not go to heaven. He said is in clear enough language that a child could understand. There is no other way...He is the way. Not "A" way......He is "THE" way.

There is sin and it separates one from God. But God says that there is only one sin that keeps one from Heaven....He said it himself.

If you do more good things than bad...does not matter. If your kind and help people.....nice but not the ticket into heaven.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

I John 5:11 ...God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

I John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

John 14:23-24 Jesus said, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD..' (Romans 6:23)

"And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:27)

"If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED. (Romans 10:9)

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

Every scripture makes God plan perfectly clear. There are many many more but I think you should get the idea here.

The Bible says believe in Christ....ask forgiveness....and you shall be forgiven if it is felt by the heart. And to sin no more. God knows...our hearts and knows if we are truly repentant. The punishment the only one is denying Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Every scripture I posted shows this.

 

I do not pay much attention to anything but position on abortion on this forum. What I see is this....the opposition uses anything they can to attack those who value life. They will use any tactic they can...sexism, racism...you name it. And we both have gotten it from them. It is the nature of what they do...why? They have to do this to take the focus off of the unborn and the vile position they champion. Divert attention. We must keep focuses, eyes alway son the truth. They are the ones who are ok killing living children...that says it all doesn't it? And most here and I have given and have a list of them who believe that viable children should be murdered if their mothers so wish. Now you tell me which side is evil? It's not ours and they know it.

 

I WILL REPOST MY RESPONSE THAT I MADE BACK THE FIRST OF JULY. WE ARE INTO AUGUST AND YOU STILL CAN'T GET IT.

Titus 3:2

I love this verse.....

"to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and always to be gentle toward everyone."


Let us look at the definition of slander. To speak untruths about.

Obviously you think I am slandering people.

Who am I slandering?

I call it as I see it....and if your position calls your character out...then so be it.

I do not think I am slandering anyone.

Am I considerate....sure I am. I won't tolerate your position and kiss any pro-aborts rear end to make them feel all warm and fuzzy over their position....but I listen to people and I respond when I get time. As I said..I don't live on here...like some people do. I am considerate.

Now you might have me on the gentle one. LMAO

Because when I call people out on their position..I call them out on their position. Should I be sweet.....? Don't think so. Should I try to be popular and make friends with basically people who I don't agree with morally? While I don't hate anyone here...I won't associate with people in my personal life whose sin might splash on me. I try to avoid it. I sin enough on my own without listening or being associated with dark forces.

Am I gentle.....probably not...I pray about this one a lot. When you are looking into the eye of evil...and it laughs at you, tries to make you trip up....human-ness comes out...and often I have to separate myself from this place....to breathe clean air and pray about it.

So there ya go.....Titus 3:2

Could I work on this one...absolutely...but I could work on all of them and that is why I need Christ...unlike you folks who find joy at telling Christians they aren't Christians because they sin. Not the case and shows you fail to understand why Christ came.

I ADDRESSED THIS SCRIPTURE....AND YOU KEEP BRINGING IT UP...YOU ARE HARASSING.

 

So if the bible is suspect to culture interpretations how do you KNOW that what you interpret it as is correct, and precisely what is god's law, please show me where it is written down . .remember those who write it down are guided by their culture into their interpretations of it, even the original authors, or if you disagree then, yet again, show me where in the bible with NO interpretation abortion is mentioned in the same way as adultery is.

No matter how carefully you read the bible you will still place your interpretations on what you read, or you will accept the interpretations of others, after all you did say - "God law has always been the same.", "The way someone or their culture interprets that Law of course is up to them, right or wrong, they have free will. So cultures and people change....Gods laws do not." .. How do you know "god's law has always been the same", do you have access to an unbridged version of them?

This is your problem you assume that I haven't read the bible, in fact I studied the bible for a number of years, because like you I was a believer .. however during that study I realized that the bible is nothing more than a man made construction which organized religion has used as a weapon to control the masses through fear.

but apparently not about abortion, otherwise you would have no trouble posting quotes that deal with it .. you cannot do that aside from the ones you have interpreted to meet your opinion.

What this has to do with abortion I don't know . .but anyway, the highlighted item, did you not admit that the laws you claim are god's laws are interpreted, does that not include the bible, if not why are you interpreting certain pieces of scripture, should you not be taking the bible "as is", and if you are then you cannot provide a single scripture that deals with abortion .. can you?

So all these people who have "speakith" against the holy ghost (Gos, Jesus) are deluding themselves by thinking that repenting frees then of the sin . .tell me in all your life have you NEVER spoken against the holy ghost (gos, jesus), because guess what, if you have even once, you ain't going to heaven sister.

Yep it does, and they all say the same thing .. for speaking against god there is NO forgiveness, not in this life or the next, remember Matt 12:32, so one must assume that in your darker days that you spoke against god and for that no matter what you say or do you are condemned.

Now how about you get back on track and find me those non-interpreted scripture quotes that deal with abortion.

 

So God created all those millions of people just to damn them? Why wont yo answer this?

 

Maybe if you removed your dogma colored blinders you too could see reality. You do not value life any more than any of us, but surely relish to opportunity to spew your vile condemnations and judgement. If you valued life you would not be a blind zealot but would embrace any method that has results and just in case you did not realize so far what you are doing is not it.

More of your lies. There is nothing from which to take the focus away. That your dogma dictates that a fetus is a child is one thing that you are condemning all who do not share that belief is vile especially in light of the fact that there is NOTHING to support your belief, nothing rational that is.

Your continued lies and hype do not alter reality, but betray what you stand for.

 

Well that is a pile of steaming horse crap for starters, don't you have your database of comments and regularly state that pro-choicers bring religion into the debate, to which your ALWAYS respond . .how is that not paying attention to anything but position on abortion.

You mean like you do when you call us "baby killers", "murderers", that we "love" abortion, that it is our "aphrodisiac" .. ho hypocritical of you.

as the saying goes, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, chances are it is a duck.

Vile position .. you really do know nothing about what pro-choice (or in my case pro-gradualism) really is, I would say that the position of enforcing a religious mantra onto an unwilling majority in order to establish a controlled society is vile.

At which you are the master, or do you forget your "late-term" posts on almost EVERY single thread, regardless of the OP.

One too many sips on the church wine here .. I'll assume you mean "We must keep focused, eyes always on the truth", what truth, the one your religious leader told you is the truth.

Abortion doesn't kill a single "child", prove otherwise.

Wrong again, murder is a legal definition of taking a life illegally . .You really need to brush up on your English comprehension.

Amazing, you know our thoughts, can you tell me what I am thinking now?

 

Fugazi

It is not a pile of steaming horse crap. I keep a list of peoples positions about ABORTION. It does come in handy. It is funny that those who reject god always are the ones who bring religion into the debate. They spend more time debating and contemplating god than those who actually believe in God.

I have not called anyone a baby killer, have never called anyone specifically a murderer. Could you post the evidence you have for this? I will stand by my comments about many who love and champion abortion...that IMO it is their aphrodisiac. That is my observation and that is what I think is true based on the posts shared here by pro-aborts. Don't I have the right to have an opinion?

You think gradualism is fine. Just sorta kill them...when its sorta ok, summa the time. That is a crock of horse manure.

The fact is...Anders, Sam and I know exactly what your position is frosted with...and its not butter cream frosting....it's dung with blood as your decorative color. WE know what your position is all about and your hiding places.

I shower you with late term abortion points because it is the pro-aborts achilles heel. It is a place you would like to forget. Why? It shows the hypocrisy of talking about womans rights...and then enslaving them by taking their rights to late term abortions. Is shows the hypocrisy of saying...that which is in the womb isn't human...but then it is...but then it isn't...but then it sorta gradually is...but then it isn't. Is viable at 18 weeks...no 20 weeks...wait no 22 weeks...but the law ways 24 weeks. But then we have probably the majority of pro-aborts here that say no restrictions on abortion should be the case. SO WHAT IS IT? Is it a child, or not a child? Is it human, or not human? Should viability matter, or not matter? Why don't you do a pow wow...with your own members...and figure out what the truth is? Why don't you try to all get on the SAME PAGE?

You say...."One too many sips on the church wine here".....You are the one who has the 24-7 cocktail hour daily...not me. I would be the one against drinking, right? LMAO You would be the one promoting drinking and drugs because they feel good, just like abortion does. I am about denying....your about promoting, right?

If abortion does not kill a single child.....THEN WHY DO SOME OF YOU THINK LATE TERM IS OK AND SOME OF YOU DON'T? IT CAN'T BE BOTH. It is either moral or not moral.

 

I am the one who wants the human life in the womb protected. How do you value human life if you want nothing in place to protect it?

Blind zealot...? What is that? Would the pro-aborts on this site be blind zealots if they support late term abortion on demand for any reason? You think I am so far to the right about abortion? What about the radicals here who think killing a FULL TERM BABY IS OK? What would you call them? Which camp do you fit into? You for denying women the right to their bodies or for allowing them to abort at nine months?

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We damn ourselves....we have free choice. God would not damn anyone who had not heard the Word. Everyone makes their own decision about where they will go. You have the choice......

You liberals love to blame anyone for your lack of responsibility.

 

I never said that. Cultures don't matter...what we believe as individuals does. And you either can accept Gods Word or reject it. You make your own bed.

I don't care what my society or culture says. The Bible has never changed...Gods Word has always been the same. People use the society thing as an excuse.

First of all those who possess the Holy Spirit can interpret..that is your problem. You can't possibly understand this. God will deal with you...I have no responsibility other than to spread the Word and plant seeds. God will do the rest. So I am under no obligation to knock my head against the wall trying to get you to see what you simply can't. I will say this.....the Word is easy to understand and the important things Jesus said....can't be interpreted any other way.

Jesus said....."I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, One one comes to the FAther but through Me."

JESUS SAID....PERFECTLY. HE IS THE ONLY WAY. HE IS THE TRUTH, THERE IS NO OTHER TRUTH.....AND NO ONE CAN COME TO GOD BUT THROUGH HIM.

So if someone says...there are many roads to God......Jesus is saying that is wrong. If someone says...you can get to God thru Muhammed, or Buddah....or Obama....Jesus says this is wrong, HE IS THE ONLY WAY.
So if someone says.....I don't believe in Christ....can they according to Christ...do all the things He says will happen if they are a believer. NO.

This is easy to interpret and every society has heard this statement from Christ.


I gave you all the scriptures I am going to give on abortion and that God loves the life in the womb. You are incapable of understanding.

 

1-I totally agree with you. They say, "even if the fetus is a person, it's still a woman's right to control her own body". But the fact that they are against late-term abortions shows that they believe that late-term fetuses are persons who should be protected by law. Isn't that a bit self contradictory and hypocritical? I would say so.

Whenever I make a good argument, Prometeus doesn't even try to argue with me in a productive way. he just says that I am "cow tipping", or "your arguments are nonsense and flawed" (or something along those lines). But my main point is this. Pro-choicers always avoid my questions. They never directly address my arguments.

If pro-lifers are so wrong, and pro-choicers are so correct, why do some pro-choicers always dismiss the opposite side's arguments instead of directly arguing against them? It almost seems like they're scared to prove us wrong. If they believe that we're wrong, they would be more confident. Prometeus is the prime example of somebody that can never directly address the opposite side's arguments. And I wonder why. Maybe deep down inside he knows that we're right and he's wrong.

Have you ever noticed pro-choicers using circular arguments or changing the subject or not directly addressing your arguments? If so, please tell me some examples of it.

2-A few sips of wine is not a sin. The bible condemns people losing their sobriety, but a person that has a few sips of wine is not drunk or anything like that. They can still think clearly. I don't believe that drinking itself is immoral, but drinking to the point of losing our ability to think straight is a sin. Drunkenness is a sin. Even without the Bible, anybody with common sense can realize that it's wrong.

 

Do you believe that elective late term abortions should be legal?

 

Simply put, yes! There is no good in bring to term a deformed child whose quality of life will be minimal and whose life-expectancy is short and painful.

 

What if the child was totally healthy?

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Third trimester.

 

How many people get late-term abortions for healthy children unless the mother's health is at risk?

 

Well that goes against what you said here

so are you know saying your own posts are wrong?

According to you it has changed, or are you saying that EVERY bible every translated or written is 100% correct, you are the one who said that culture (and/or individuals) change the inteprpretations.

That is a cop out and you know it, the standard zealot response when they have nothing else to say .. "You don't understand"
If you have no obligation to knock your head against a wall, why do you keep on doing it .. have you managed to sway one single persons opinion here.
If the important thing Jesus said cannot be interpreted any other way, why are there numerous fraction within Christianity, most of which are based on interpretation of what Jesus said and meant.

Either that or the person who wrote down those words was being influenced by their own opinion or by the culture they were a part of .. which is the more likely I wonder.

and that is your interpretation, why is it any more valid than one of the other fractions of Christianity.

or some variant of it.

no what you gave me were interpretations of scripture, nothing like the adultery ones and you won't give me anymore because there are not any more to give, and NOT A SINGLE ONE of them is anything other than interpretation.

 

Good for you, I really do not give a (*)(*)(*)(*)e what you want outside of the fact that you wish to impose your dogma on society.

I want it to be free from morality coercion such as yours. More harm has come to humanity because people like you than all other factors combined.

Someone who can not see past their convictions mo matter the evidence.

Your dishonest diversions will not alter reality or change perceptions of it.

I do not give a (*)(*)(*)(*)e about that either, only about your wish to impose your dogma drive beliefs on society.

Is that your interpretation of "I am the way..."

You love to generalize only proving that you have no real arguments. I do not know the first thing about responsibility.

 

Do they? Quote the post, but you can not because you are as big a liar as she is.

You have NEVER made an argument that even comes close to being good, intelligent or rational.

Let me put it another way. You make utterly stupid arguments.

You are again evidencing stupidity. You are the one who uses that baseless accusation and now are asking her for examples. Truly clueless.