Fast-food workers strike nationwide in protest against wages

How's the monkey going to get the burgers off the grill? You think he can manage a spatula with a tiny hand? Even the burgers on the back? Also, is the grill on floor level, or is the monkey going to use a ladder?.

As far as fast food, it is very complex for a monkey. Not a human. There are like TRILLIONS of different possibilities in any order, when you factor in possible menu items, ingredients, beverages, deserts etc.plus quantities for each. A human can handle it because they can read words. How many lights do you think you would need to communicate that order to a monkey?

And the customers can't make complaints, like about the fur in their burger, or have napkins, straws, various different condiments etc. By the way, you can't make "trades".. Communicating with customers is part of the job. You said monkeys could do that job. You can't just shift the goalposts.

And when I said verify deliveries, I meant deliveries to the restaurant.. The monkey has to inspect the whole order, make sure everything's there (it's a LOT of different things), check the temps etc. and then sign for it. And it comes in heavy boxes. The monkey couldn't lift one. He could slide one maybe, or there could be like five monkeys on the job. But you couldn't stack 'em, so you wouldn't have the room to put them. The stock needs rotating as well, so the monkey must know dates.

 

Cool... maybe the ones who can't get an order right are the ones out demanding $15 per hour to give you chicken nuggets when you order a Big Mac.

 

Where is the incentive to get a better job? Do we want a nation of hamburger flippers and servers? If I'm a teacher making $22.00 an hour am I going to be satisfied making that when the girl at McDonalds serving me is making $20.00 an hour? I had to go to college to become a teacher. I racked up $65, 000 worth of debt to do it. How is that fair?

 

Yeah so the monkey thing is a LITTLE much- but not by much. But still, here is the future of some of these fast food jobs if these losers insist on thinking they're worth $15 per hour:



I submit to you more of these kiosks are coming. And these people that think they're worth $15 per hour will be in an even worse situation- unless they suddenly realize the thing to do is get an education and perhaps learn to be the person programming or building things like these kiosks rather than (*)(*)(*)(*) and moan and demand more money.

I'm probably preaching to the choir, but still, I love my PF rants in the morning regardless.

 

You would design the grill for ease of use . Such as a cage spatula . Burger sits inside , and worker just turns . No flipping required. You can have a machine handle sides and contenders , dispensing amounts into cups allowing customers to put it on to their own liking . Go to a fast foot joint and see how well communication is flowing . Not very well , and in some places none at all .

 

You mean when the Democrats blocked the reforms to Fannie and Freddie that were a big part of the housing bubble........even Barney Franks finally admitted that the Dems screwed up. That and the constant fudging of ratings done by Goldman and Sachs et al. And who exactly has been in charge for the last six years? And who got both their stimulus and ACA bills passed? Oh that's right you guys. Are you seriously going to try and blame this economy on one half of one house of government? That is just dishonest and partisan. http://www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2010/10/14/frank_haunted_by_stance_on_fannie_freddie/

"Frank, in his most detailed explanation to date about his actions, said in an interview he missed the warning signs because he was wearing ideological blinders. He said he had worried that Republican lawmakers and the Bush administration were going after Fannie and Freddie for their own ideological reasons and would curtail the lenders’ mission of providing affordable housing.

“I was late in seeing it, no question,’’ Frank said about the lenders’ descent into insolvency.

Fast food is a menial job that anyone with half a brain can do. They are not doctors or firefighters or even craftsman or skilled trades like plumbers or carpenters. They are the very bottom of the job chain and as such they are only going to get the bottom pay. They are entitled to absolutely nothing. I don't care if they strike or even try to unionize but for people to pretend that they are somehow entitled to more than what they are being paid is just stupid on its face. Fast food was not and never will be a job that you should live on.

The fact that the economy sucks and there are millions of people out of work is the problem of the economy you don't fix it by forcing companies to pay more. How the hell does that help the jobs situation anyways? If they raise their pay they will fire more of those workers and get by with fewer of them. How the hell is that going to help people out of work by putting even more people out of work...........you are making no sense whatsoever. Look what Obamacare is doing to full time workers and shifting them to part time. Who's fault is that..........oh wait, let me guess the evil companies.

Is there any post that you make that isn't full of bull(*)(*)(*)(*) and lies? http://www.csg.org/pubs/capitolideas/enews/issue6_3.aspx

That is also a load of crap about blacks and the education gap. Blacks have a much lower graduation rate than other groups. That is also entirely on you Democrats because you have controlled all the heavily or large minority school districts and governments since the 1960s. Don't even try to blame the Republicans for that one. And those same districts spend more per student than the outlying districts that perform significantly better. Detroit spend 11k on their students which is above the national average of 9k and so does Washington DC, Milwaukee and Chicago and yet all those districts suck......especially for blacks.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/educat...ding-4th-highest-in-us-1u5rurq-159889555.html

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/...ates-common-well-funded-city-school-districts

http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/18350

http://chicagoist.com/2013/06/19/crains_chicago_business_and_how_to.php

(*)(*)(*)(*)ing greedy ass teachers unions love to watch kids fail to learn how to read.

Between the completely dysfunctional black family structure and the greedy teachers unions and government employees, they have completely destroyed the education systems in those Democratic controlled areas.

 

It appears bomac is what forty or fifty years behind here?

 

Lets be honest, paying a girl at Burger King $20.00 an hour for serving me and taking my money isn't going to fly. Inflation would take off like a rocket. Is a bus driver that has thousands of lives in his hands daily going to be satisfied making twenty or twenty two bucks an hour when the girl at Burger King taking his order is making twenty bucks an hour? Everything will go up and up and that girl at Burger King will be no better off than she was making eight bucks an hour.

 

What's a cage spatula? And is the grilling surface on the ground level, or is the monkey climbing a ladder? Is it a flat surface or grated?

How will the monkey know how much meat to cook? When the burgers are finished, how will the monkey know which ingredients to put on it? How will the monkey know how much food to have on hand, and not too much, based on how busy the restaurant is? How will they read labels and dates to understand holding times and rotation?

What about the friers? Are they on ground level?

How does the monkey know when to refill? A customer can't alert because the monkey can't communicate.

If humans can't communicate certainly monkeys can't. Still part of the job.

 

HA

Was just down to McDonalds getting my morning Dr Pepper and talked to my friend. Four of his employees joined in the little strike yesterday. He fired them and gave everyone else a raise for not taking part.

 

What people seem to be forgetting is that employers pay far more than just wages for each employee, even minimum wage ones. They have things such as unemployment insurance and don't forget payroll taxes above what is taken out of each of our paychecks. It is the governments clever ploy to make it look like they aren't taxing you too much.

Government has manipulated everything in the market, no wonder its all wonky... Even good intentioned legislation throws off natural market equilibrium and can have devastating consequences. Nobody is smart enough to understand the economy, our leaders should stay out of it as much as possible and let people freely make their own choices. These workers can strike all they want, protest your wage, but don't be surprised when you lose your job because frankly it's low skill and there are many people looking for work. Society and the market has deemed your job not worth very much. It is just reality... fight it all you want, but you could probably be putting your skills to better more productive use.

 

lol... that worked out well for them, huh?

My g/f's brother is a store mnanager at a local Dominoes. I will see if anything happened at his store this weekend.

 

I guess that explains why unions are, and have been, on the decline for some time.

 

Do you know that $20,000 does not equal $20.00 per hour unless you only work 1,000 hours. A full time worker at $20.00 per hour would be $41,600. You want everything cheap so that you can enjoy your life. That is why you like people making $7.25 or less. In the 60s, the minimum wage was higher (in today's dollars) and many workers were happier with their wages. We may have had some inflation but everyone kept up with inflation.

Now Big Money wants to keep inflation down because they get most of the money. The middle class is shrinking, the poor includes more people and the upper middle class/rich want to keep it that way. 80% of Americans get 7% of the wealth and they are getting mad.

Exaggerate all you want about what the service workers are getting or what you think they are worth. There is no free market for workers. Minimum wages is a tool to change the distribution of wealth. Income tax rates are also a tool. Both tools have been suppressed over the last 30 years. And the public is angry.

When the average median wage fell to $26,364 in 2010, that meant that 50% of Americans were making $26,364 or less per year. That has to change and the public is ready to change that.

 

Yes, but that number has to be something REASONABLE. $15 an hour isn't reasonable as you've admitted in past threads.

 

lets shut down all fast food places and then the problem is gone..and people wont be so fat..if kids want money go mow a lawn like the good old days

 

There were lots of reasons why unions grew, too. And today's circumstances may be another reason why they will grow.

 

no, people want to be bailed out from poor choices they were all warned about once before. Not my fault some kids didn't pay attention in school, didn't use a condom while having sex... .blew their money instead of investing in their future. Hell, join the military out of highschool. But nooooo, noone can be held accountable for those past decisions.


McD's is not a career path. Just because you chose to try and make it so, is not my fault, my responsibility, nor is it the franchise owners fault or responsibility

 

So, let me get this straight. You want the government to force some businesses to close? LOL

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This argument is completely nullified when you have college graduates working minimum wage jobs because that is all they can find .

Do you people even think before barfing up your opinions?

 

give them a raise and start paying union dues and pay their share of obamcare and then they will find out they more money before all this started...

 

What they are meant to be and what they actually are, doesn't mean it is what it is.
Due to jobs being outsourced for 20+yrs, there are lack of other jobs available to all who want/need.
Now, I am not for $15/hr either.

 

Doesn't matter.

Let's pretend a moment...

Let us say that McDonald's remains with human employees, and Wendy's goes all robotic.

McDonald's burger goes up to $20 a burger. Wendy's remains at $5 a burger. Which place am I going to go, when both burgers are roughly the same quality?

Wendy's. Cheap fast food burgers are not worth $20, just because fast food employees demand $20 an hour because they want a 'livable wage!', or whatever.

So no matter how much you would prefer a human over a robot (I would too), the economic reality is that people are not going to pay for that if it become too expensive.

An Nordic economist was talking about how in Nordic countries, that do not have a house painting industry. There are no companies to paint houses. If you want your house painted, you do it yourself. Why? Because the cost in taxes and labor laws, to hire a painting company, is too expensive, so they simply don't have that industry.

If you demand more and more money, that money has to come from somewhere. If the customer isn't willing to pay that higher price, then you don't have a job anymore.

Fast food in Europe has already been moving this direction.

http://news.cnet.com/mcdonalds-hires-7000-touch-screen-cashiers/8301-17938_105-20063732-1.html

7,000 jobs were cut. Cashiers are replaced by kiosks. Why? Because minimum wage and tax laws, make hiring actual people too expensive. The customer isn't going to pay that cost. So instead, you get to poke a touch screen. No doubt as the cost of robots continues it's slow decline, and as taxes and minimum wage laws gradually increase, cooks and other positions will be replaced as well.

So what you would prefer won't matter. At some point the market will force expensive labor out, and robots in. That's simply the result of union stupidity, and moronic employees demanding more money than their jobs is worth.

 

Sorry, they will come out of the woodwork claiming how bad things were for them. I started at $1.25 per hour but I could live on that and still had help getting ahead. Working at $7.25 per hour with no help moving up is definitely not the same.

 

"There were lots of reasons why unions grew..."

Taxcutter says:
The necessary condition was lack of competition.

 

Correct, but the key here is their work ethic too. Even a worker bee aspires to higher paying worker positions.

If these people read the news they'd be smart to quit, several states are paying welfare and benefits of nearly that magical $15 an hour they are clamoring for.

Don't you mean the ridiculous taxes and fees the government slaps on businesses, you know, to get more money to give to the slackers who won't even try to get that micky d's job? We used to only have the second highest corporate taxes in the in the world, now we're "number 1!".

I heard on the news this morning about one fellow that was part of the protests at micky d's yesterday. Boy, he was uuuupset. I mean, he was fightin mad...21 years at McDonald's and they won't up minimum wage so he can make more money....

Demanding a ridiculous increase in minimum wage is akin to the welfare slackers demanding more money. It will accomplish nothing except make it worse for everyone across the board. Those making more than minimum wage will demand an increase to match the proportional increase all the way up the chain. The increased overhead will cause the product to go up, etc.