Fast-food workers strike nationwide in protest against wages

Did you mean to point out what a failure the Obama administration has been?

 

LOL you assume too much. You don't think there would be any costs involved in buying, and maintaining said machines?

IF the technology were available and there was ANY cost savings available, these places WILL switch to robotic cooks, irrespective of what the minimum wage is at.

This argument is dumb every time it is made. McDonalds isn't holding off on robotic restaurant because the minimum wage is low.

 

And, surprise...demanding $15 an hour for minimum wage ain't gonna change that.

 

Sorry, but I don't believe you heard about a guy who has been working at McD for 21 years and he's still earning minimum wage. I think you either misheard or are just making that up.

Frankly I believe you misheard. because you can't , for some reason, comprehend fighting for fair treatment of a group that you yourself don't belong to. Sadly, you are not alone in that.

 

First, nobody flipping hamburgers will be making $20.00 an hour. Certainly a scare tactic but more people SHOULD be complaining about what they make. Over the last 30 years, the majority has been losing their portion of the wealth and wages are a big portion of that wealth.

 

Who the hell needs to point out the obvious?

 

Demanding $15 an hour reminds me of that idiot in the NBA who declared that he wasn't playing for no $20M a year , he had a family to feed. LOL proving that idiocy knows no economic boundaries.

 

the lower value of the dollar and increasing in the taxes one pays wouldnt have something to do with that would it?..and what about inflation too?

 

Look how the losers grab on to someone's miscalculation and run with it.

 

Extortion gets a bad rap from people like you. To extort is to capitalize. To capitalize is to be a capitalist. Isn't that what we do in America?

 

And we have another anecdote that cannot be proven, one way or another.

Here I'll do it: Was just down to McDonald's getting my morning coffee and talked to my friend. All of his employees joined the strike yesterday. He gave them all raises.

 

THAT is the freaking point. Everything has risen EXCEPT the minimum wage. So obviously inflation and the minimum wage aren't related.

Minimum wage today is 77% of its real value compared to what it was in 1965. Now, I ask you again (and I don't expect an answer here because I've asked a hundred times and NO ONE has answered) how the hell did McDonalds and many other companies manage to thrive in the 60s when their prices were somewhere around 40% less in real dollars while their labor costs were 22% higher in the same real dollars, yet you and many others want us to believe that they can't afford it today unless they raised prices even higher?

Let me illustrate

One of my services is I sell automobile tires. As a general rule I add 30% to my cost of tires and my net profit is 10%. So I have 20% to pay all my wages, utilities, supplies, etc etc. Around 10% of that is labor , including bonuses and such that I pay my tire guys.

Now the way non greedy business owners operate is that if their prices on everything else goes up , they adjust their costs so that that all their percentages remain roughly the same. Meaning whether I have $150 in a tire or if I have $240 in a tire, I'm still going to make 10%.

The way these minimum wage exploiters work however is different. As their other costs have risen, they have DECREASED the percentage that they pay in wages while simultaneously INCREASING their percentage of profits.

That's borderline criminal.

 

What people seem to be forgetting is that 40.28% of all wage earners are making less than $20,000 per year and the tax payers are paying for what the employers do not pay.

 

who cares about $20K a year?

$9.27 an hour is enough for minimum wage. At some point if you want more you need to go be more.

 

correct the problem first..quit voting in people who weaken the economy...what is the true inflation rate right now? using the real method of the same 25 items that were always used to figure the inflation rate..not the garbage they use now

 

What kind of weak assed excuse bull(*)(*)(*)(*) stupidity is that?

are you seriously suggesting that the minimum wage has kept up with inflation but the government is secretly miscalculating inflation LOL

As per usual, I'm bowing out of this thread now, b/c little children have taken over the conversation.

 

if you do it the same way it is always done the inflation rate for last year was 19.5%..and we thought carter was bad at 9% inflation rate

 

You and I know that they will not get $15 per hour. It is a negotiating tool and everyone should know that if they would take their blinders off. But the fools would rather have the taxpayers pay these employers' expenses to protect the employers' profits.

Who are the fuzzy thinkers on this thread?

 

If the cost of living calls for it, then what doesn't make sense?

 

If it made sense, it would already be there..... you want "living wage" at a fast food place you will have to work two jobs.

Btw, how much do you think one needs a month for a "living wage"... what are you putting into total expenses?

 

Monkeys can easily climb ladders, so if you want the grill on a ladder it wont be a problem. All though I have never seen anyone climb a latter to access a grill, in any restaurant,,,, ever. Dont know why you put so much focus into that? The meat is pre-pattied , so no need for monkey to make any call . The machine that takes the order can dispense toppings, allowing customer to place them on food like most places. Food on hand will be determined by the same computer program that takes orders, since it will be easier that way to streamline. Owner sets a re-order limit, and the computer automatically places order when told. Fryers can be equipped so that a button lowers and raises the fryer, and it is on a set timer. Monkey will just have to remember to press button when sound chimes. Pretty simple. The machine that dispenses will send off warning bells/ alarm bells when machine gets low, and will have enough reserves so owner can fill up machine once a week and not have to worry about it.

Communication is not required , at all, for a fast food place. As everything becomes streamlined, the need will be less and less. And communication will take place, just a bit slower. You could also have a digital box in the restaurant that connects you with a live operator, who can do this for 50-100 stores at once... further cutting cost.

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It would when the monkey has to lean over, stood precariously on a ladder, above the grill, to scrape off the meat. You'd probably need some replacement monkeys on hand.

Of course. It's the monkeys that need the ladder. You've probably never seen monkies running a restaurant either! : )

I'm guessing you've never worked in fast-food before, but I can tell you, communication is required.

But you are right that computers can keep track of stock levels, holding times and date. But timers and bells aren't all you need.

For example. The coffee machine is out of milk. It wants two more jugs. How does the computer tell the monkey what it needs and how many? And also for all the orders and everything else?

How will a monkey know what to put into which bags and how many to present to the customer? How will the monkey know which customer to give it to? Usually, these machines work via order number receipts and a number call. How does the monkey know who to give it to? The customer can't tell the monkey it's theirs, and the monkey can't read numbers.

You need to put ingredients on the by the monkey. If you have burger topping available to the customer kids will just dispense the lot onto the floor.

The main point is this: There are like thousands of different things one might need to do. How are you communicating the orders to the monkeys? You suggested lights, but you'd need like thousands of lights. You can have like a million different combinations of what an order might be. No problem for reading humans. For a monkey you would need them to recognize a million or more different non-verbal signals. It's impossible.

Anyway, before you addressed friers, I made a picture. I'll post it because I don't want the two minutes I spent on it to be for nothing.

 

Yeah that's right. Unions will "grow". Maybe on Uranus but on planet earth the fight of the individual to survive economically has meant the death of unions. Hell, even union members are refusing to hand over their hard earned cash to a bunch of union thugs who never seem to ever actually do anything but can afford to drive a new Escalade every year and somehow attend every 'union conference 'some where warm' every winter with their families and live in million dollar mansions. These are some of the reasons every union in the country has declining membership.
http://www.shmoop.com/labor-wages-unions/unions-decline.html

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Yeah that's right. Unions will "grow". Maybe on Uranus but on planet earth the fight of the individual to survive economically has meant the death of unions. Hell, even union members are refusing to hand over their hard earned cash to a bunch of union thugs who never seem to ever actually do anything but can afford to drive a new Escalade every year and somehow attend every 'union conference 'some where warm' every winter with their families and live in million dollar mansions. These are some of the reasons every union in the country has declining membership.
http://www.shmoop.com/labor-wages-unions/unions-decline.html

 

When you consider that there were 58 million members world-wide excepting Mexico and the lowest membership is $55, we're talking $3.19 Billion before anything is even sold. There are 160,292 Costco employees world-wide. The membership fees would cover an increase in salaries for each employee of $9.50/hour for 40 hours a week for 52 weeks a year.

The membership fees make a huge difference.

 

I would say most do, many will never.

Yep it is sad that the government pays people to do nothing more than businesses pay for them to work. If that doesn't show you something is definitely off , nothing will.

No I said it exactly the way I meant it. We have the best government corporate money can buy, and their two parties are a scam.

first off the tax code is conceived, designed, created by, and controlled by the rich/elites, and their government. Those who do not fall under the governments umbrella will pay, but the ones who own the government pay little to nothing. Second and most relevant, corporations do not pay corporate taxes, the consumers do. And the major corporations rarely pay those taxes since their puppet government afford them with tax exemptions/breaks, provide grants to offset the cost everybody else must absorb, and they wind up profiting from the money they charge consumers but don't pay the government. Companies like GE pay little to no taxes and in the end even get more money from the government while profiting BILLIONS, with a B. Maybe you should spend more time actually paying attention to the government cronyism that is going on and spend less time blaming the worlds problems on people with absolutely zero power and no wealth to purchase power.

Yep it is a sad state of affairs, but that is the shape of our economy these days. I doubt seriously if somebody in that situation can do any better, even if you believe he should be a brain surgeon by now. lol

Yep I agree, raising the minimum wage by government imposition does nothing but raise cost everywhere else. And yes if you only make a few dollars above minimum wage you are in the same boat. Even people who have worked a few years and make 4-6 dollars more than minimum wage take a pay cut when the government steps in for the good of everybody. Hi I'm from the government and I'm here to help you, never works out right.

The problem is we have an unlimited supply of what is wrongfully referred to as unskilled labor, to demean, and devalue those people even more than they already have been, which gives businesses the advantage to take advantage of their labor. If bodies were scarce then and only then would those wages be closer to a realistic wage comparable to the cost of living.

They hired a cook at Sonic in the small town down the road from us the other day, and he started at $18 an hour because quite frankly, they needed a cook, and nobody applied in the town of only $3500 people. But since they are on a highway the owner felt it was necessary for his pocketbook to hire somebody that could and would do the job. They lack of skilled workers in this case created a need, and the wages were not an issue. Why do you suppose a Macky D's in New York City (with like 8 million people) can't afford to pay a livable wage? Because they don't have too. Greed my friend, greed is the culprit here.