Who was the best president of the last fifty years?

The deficit HAS to go down. King Obama ratcheted it up to 1,400 billion dollars a year.

Just think....er...sorry. How do you feel the deficit would behaving today if we had a real president intent on national growth, not a fraud bent on national self-destruction?

 

Hey Ostap I love your irony.

Your signature's great. It calls out communists as people who dismiss their opponents as mentally ill. And then you dismiss your opponents as mentally ill. Pure genius!

Did you mean morals? It is true. He was a man without much morality. Who got the best results for the USA: low deficits, low unemployment, attacking welfare dependency and presiding over growth.

We are talking about the USA. They voted for draft dodgers over war heroes twice: once with Slick Willie over George HW Bush and then with Dubya over Kerry. It seems that despite character being the main thing Americans bang on about regarding their presidents, they seem to elect some pretty poor characters:

1. JFK - great speeches by a great philanderer
2. LBJ - hey, hey LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?
3. Nixon - the dirtiest, crookedest criminal to rule a democratic country until Berlusconi, or maybe even worse than him
4. Ford - gum, walk, couldn't, same, time, walk....
5. Carter - blue jeans, ice creams and... biggest disaster for American liberalism ever...
6. Gipper - I've got a soft spot for his Normandy speech but pretty much another mass murdering warmonger criminal in Latin America
7. George CIA Bush - war hero who squeezed through but "watch my lips" - No New Taxes - ahem!
8. Slick Willie - liar, philanderer, draft dodger, schmoozer, snake-oil salesman, who delivered pretty good results
9. Dubya - let Rumsfeld and Cheney destroy his reputation. Second term was pretty good. Not as thick as people say. Quite a funny guy too. Started the rescue of the global economy which Obama completed.
10. Obama. Egotist, hypocrite, authoritarian, threat to freedom in the world, bully, PR shaman.

The one I'd have as my friend if I had to? Dubya.
The one who made the best speeches? Gipper
The one who caught the zeitgeist best? JFK (the "I am a donut" speech)
The one who is the smartest and most impressive to watch? Slick Willie
The one who has great "character"? FFS guys, what are you talking about?

 

Who knows. You would have to go to a parallel universe to find out. Any sensible person, GOP or Democrat, would have followed the same path that Bush started and Obama completed.

Keynes was right: you have to balance the budget over the economic cycle. In the boom times the GOP ran the deficit up. Depressions are not when you cut economic demand.

This is simple, baby economics. But if you think a country has to be run like a household, then maybe this baby economics looks like East Coast elitist military industrial complex conspiracy stuff. To those who think like that, we can't help you.

 

Clinton by a landslide IMO. Reagan, oddly, for a second but not very close. Reagan made his own years good by (*)(*)(*)(*)ing up the succeeding ones. Still, he was a man of good will and I maintain that to be the main qualification for a good President. Pity he wasn't smarter.

Clinton repaired a lot that Reagan had messed up and we'd be in much worse straits now if not for him. The pity there was saddling him with the second worse Congress in history for much of both his terms. If we didn't have term limits I think he'd still be there. So would the Twin Towers and all the people who died in them. Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan would probably be places very few people had ever heard of.

 

It bothers you, doesn't it, the thought of two men, at it, together?

But you can't stop thinking about it?

 

Let's see....Bush walked, partly, on the correct path, the supply side economic path, and that worked well.

King Obama has trundled down the Keynesian highway because his goal has been to do as much damage to the US as he can, and so far that's worked out well, for him.

The Mayor sees that the rest of your post as as filled with strawmen as your first sentence was filled with inaccuracies, innuendos, and ignorance. For example, look at this nonsense you wrote:

WHERE in the Keynesian mythos does the government EVER cut back on spending?

Answer: NEVER.

If government spending is never cut, the economy can never be balanced, since all governments eventually run out of OPM, and that's happening here, too.

People who understand Keynesian nonsense don't need to have OPM expanded.


What Constitutional limits exist on the federal appropriations process? Where are they found? Define "commerce" in the Constitution. Define what it meant to the men that put the word in the Constitution. Cite the clause that allows the Congress to spend money on education. Cite the clause that allows Congress to fund the Social Security Ponzi Scheme. Cite the clause that permits MessiahCare to exist in a Constitutionally limited representational republic. Cite the event that ended the United States as a republic and turned it into a God Knows What.

 

Are you making a pass at me?

 

Ok guys, which one of you comedians voted for Obama?

 

Obviously it was William Henry Harrison who was America's best president. He passed away on his 32nd day in office, thus he did not have time to do much damage.

 

Best president?
Duh, Reagan, because FREEDOM JESUS GOD 'MURICA LIBRUL SOCIALIST COMMUNIST MAOIST KENYAN MUSLIM OBAMA EVIL.
I think I've figured out how to talk like a conservative. Just say America every five seconds, freedom every ten, Reagan every fifteen, Christian every twenty, and Constitution every twenty-five.

 

Ditto, second would be Clinton.

 

Evidently you didn't live through that time...you know, the one of the greatest posterity of Americans. I did and it was great!!!
Reagan wasn't as conservative as I would have liked, but still the greatest that I know. Not recognizing that just sounds like sour grapes.

 

BTW...Reagan leads by a landslide...same as his elections...

 

All you have said is true But there are many things you left out

Changed the tax code to eliminate all deductions for interest on personal loans
Finance charges from stores
Interest on auto loans
Interest on chattel mortgages
Elimination of all these deductions raise taxes on the middle class

Shrugged off the deaths of 241 Marines Killed After Their commanding officer begged for them to be removed
But Reagan ordered that they stay

Put a wreath on the Grave of a NAZI soldier and then called him one of the great heroes of the second World war

Subsidized the industrialization of China with taxpayer money
In other words Reagan used taxpayer money to finance outsourcing and shipping jobs to China
it was nixon's idea As a Cold War strategy
But Regan went overboard with both the plastics and steel industry


My choice would be Franklin Roosevelt
But since I'm limited to 50 years
I would choose either OBama or Clinton
OBama has already accomplished what Quite a few president's could not
Starting with the teddy Roosevelt a number of presidents have tried To introduce universal Health Care in this country
But if the starts a war
my choice clinton

 

Why should the EVERY taxpayer subsidize the interest payments other people make...when those people agreed, by contract, to pay them personally?

Let's see if your sentence makes any sense. You just claimed that the CO asked that the 241 marines be allowed to be removed, Reagan ordered their corpses to be left behind....

...yeah, people that hate Reagan have serious problems with both history and English sentence construction.

Yup. Reagan manned up, realized he made a mistake, and withdrew US forces after that event. Being Perfect, as we all know, King Obama makes no mistakes. The hand of Bush is very long indeed.

Yup, that's the Low Information Voter paradox....too stupid to learn history and too stupid enough to realize he hasn't learned it.

The cemetary at Bitberg had a handful of SS soldiers buried in it....it'd be hard to find a German war cemetery that didn't have some SS soldiers in it. And he didn't lay the wreath on the grave of a Low Information Voter, as you imply. He placed it on a "wall of remembrance".

You Low Information Voters are still bent out of shape that Reagan's putting Pershing II missiles in Germany forced the commies to pull back their own IRBMs' and forced them to the START negotiating table, where Reagan (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)-slapped Gorbachev by refusing to compromise on US missile defenses.

You people could at least put down Sins of My Absentee Deadbeat Runnaway Kenyan Daddy long enough to research something as simple as Reagan's visit to Bitberg.

Providing thereby a more effective counter to...Gorbachev.

Reagan's goal was...what was his goal? Oh, yeah, ending The Evil Empire.....he killed the evil empire, didn't he? The Evil Emperor got the Nobel Piece Prize for waging war in Trashcanistan, didn't he?

Reagan won the Cold War, and that rankles you people still, doesn't it?

So you choose a rapist, a sexual predator, and a convicted disbarrred perjurer over an illegal alien racist fascist muslim traitor...because your real candidate, the guy that invented the world's biggest Ponzi Scheme, is outside the allowed time period.

Why didn't you pick Carter? Until Obama came along, he was certainly the stupidest president ever. We see why you couldn't pick JFK...he's too the right of both Bushes, Dole, McStain, and Romney.

You should have picked Johnson. After all, he stole an election, and lied to get 55,000 Americans killed in Vietnam. That's certainly a laudable goal for any Low Information Voter.

As for China, people who aren't Low Information Voters aren't worried about China as a competitor, they're worried about the stupid Low Information Voters that insist on doing everything possible to make it impossible for the US to compete effectively, from $15/hour hamburger flippers (the introduction of robotics that move will cause will create a competitive advantage you LIVs won't like), to turning the nation over to hordes of illegal alien invaders (at the expense of some 90,000,000 indigenous unemployed you Low Information Voters don't care about), to exrtraordinary tax rates and ridiculous job killing regulation.

You shouldn't babble about the evils of "outsourcing". You people are it's root cause.

 

Reagan was the WORST of all the presidents on the list. I can't think of anything he did that was good. The economy went into a tailspin during his tax cuts on the rich down to 28%. He gave amnesty to millions of illegal aliens, whose population has now quadrupled, and adds greatly to our unemployment and bad economy. He punked out in Lebanon, and allowed that country to fall to the Muslim jihadist loonies. He made movies about World War II, while REAL Conservative presidents like Eisenhower were in Europe fighting it. His big claim to fame of having ended the cold war is only a triumph to fools snookered into believing that. Actually, he just lucked out to be president right at the time that the Soviet Union self-destructed from overspending on military and space, while he conveniently took the credit for what was happening entirely without him.

Worst of all, Reagan is responsible for changing the definition of a Conservative in America. Before him, taxes on the rich were rarely ever less than 70%, and were as high as 92% during the Eisenhower years. Then, the emphasis of Conservatism was to have a large tax base to support a BIG, STRONG government with a BIG, STRONG national defense military, and a BIG, STRONG law enforcement system (cops, courts, prisons, etc), with BIG, STRONG homeland security (FBI, NSA, CIA, etc), and a BIG, STRONG infrastructure, including the US interstate highway system created by Eisenhower.
In Contrast, after 30 years of low taxes on the rich, we have the smallest military in decades, prison inmates being released way too early instead of building more prisons, police and fire stations closing, illegal aliens running amok all over the country swiping jobs and sending Billions$$ of Us dollars out of the country, and infrastructure problems going untreated that threaten major catastrophes (ex. Wolf Creek Dam, California delta levees)

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=214235

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=214384

 

Because he gave amnesty to illegal aliens? That was the one thing he did that I do not understand. The reality is Reagan would sweep a GOP primary today. He would lose the general election to any Democrat offering lots of freebie programs and wealth redistribution. Reagan would be far to conservative to win a general election today.

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I'll go with Reagan followed by Nixon and Kennedy

 

Wow. Someone actually voted for LBJ. Why would someone do that?

 

of course it was Kennedy,thats a no brainer.He was our last REAL president we had.Real because he wasnt a puppet for the establishment.Thats why they killed him because unlike every president since him,he wasnt doing what they were telling him to do.

 

Best damn post on here bar none.

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just as some fools actually voted for Nixon,Clinton,Bush,Obama and Reagan. the american sheople have been brainwashed.

 

Here is another excellent well thought out post.

You just scracthed the surface there on how corrupt Reagan really was and how americans have been brainwashed by media mouthpieces over the years such as Rush Limbaugh into buying into the myth and lie that Reagan was a great president.

 

Actually, I will agree with you that Kennedy was a great man (great as in important and uniquely so). But, he wasn't in office long enough to be considered a really great POTUS.

His accomplishments weren't many.

Reagan, however, was a great man AND a great President.

 

Are you a foreigner?

 

excellent job taking the reagan apologists to school.


you gave them a first class education how they have been conditioned by the LAMESTREAM media into bying into the lies and myth about Reagan.

Like that other poster,you also just scratched the surface on how corrupt he really was.Yeah people balme carter as being such a bad president because of the inflation.They dont get it that under Carter,jobs were actually flourishing and then Reagan came in and shipped them overseas.

The only thing thats true about carter being bad as a president is he unfairly got blamed for the inflation that was going on under him but that was caused by the federal reserve which the president has no control over.

Like you said,he eventually righted the ship toward the end so reagan naturally got credit for it.Carter was the only fairly good president we have had since JFK.Thats just one more example of another good presidnet who did not get to serve in office very long.

 

So, who you gonna blame for the 16 Trillion dollar deficit?

No, I'm not asking what Bushie did, I'm asking about why Obama hasn't fixed all those things. He's only made things worse and still spent more than his predecessors, to boot!

Someone on these pages must've been dropped, repeatedly, on their heads during infancy.