Congress may vote ‘No’ on Syria attack

We all know that the Christian Science monitor is well known terrorist source, don't we?

As I said earlier kiddo. How about you get some education on the topic first and then get back to us. You definitely have a lot of catching up to do. For starters The Redirection. You might learn something.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/05/070305fa_fact_hersh#ixzz22MoMmCfy

 

What is happening in Iraq is the fault of the various sects of Iraqi's.

Your logic is that it is better to allow a Dictator to kill whoever get's in his way so that he can retain power than to allow the democratic process to go forward.

AboveAlpha

 

Yes. As St Augustine said, democracy is preferable if the populace is principled. The ME population only knows dictatorships for thousands of years. It is unrealistic to believe that this ingrained cultural conditioning will be forcefully changed through a military campaign. Iraq exemplifies this point. The people there now suffer far more. It is for the people to uprise when they have had enough.

 

The problem is that so called peaceful protestors were armed from the word go. Trying doing the same in the USA/UK/Israel and see what happens. Kill few police officers and start burning government buildings in New York/Manchester/Haifa and see the reaction. I am certain that soldiers of the above mentioned countries would throw sweets at armed protestors in response to their attempt to kill them. Israelis sources are not good enough for you?

Syria: Seven Police Killed, Buildings Torched in Protests
Continued protests in Syria claim lives of seven police and four protesters, and result in burning a courthouse and Baath Party HQ in Daraa.
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By Gabe Kahn.
First Publish: 3/21/2011, 11:05 AM / Last Update: 3/21/2011, 11:17 AM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/143026#.UiqWUmP-JMs

 

Syrian National Council:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_National_Council

The Free Syrian Army itself is a secular force who is headed by Baathist defectors:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riad_al-Asaad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salim_Idris

These are the leaders and head commanders of the Free Syrian Army, please provide evidence of their Islamist allegiance.

"I'm certain some of them (Israelis) are quite happy with the outcome. The more people die, the merrier."

You claimed that Israelis (not some Israelis) see all others as Goy and that for some the more Christians and Muslims dead the merrier, classic blood libel.

With 122,000 Arab Christians living in Israel, as Arab citizens of Israel, out of a total of 151,700 Christian citizens,[39] this is one of the biggest Arab Christian communities in the world. It is also the only Arab Christian community in the Middle East, which experiences a net population growth. Arab Christians form an 80% majority of the Christians in Israel, with smaller Christian communities of ethnic Russians, Greeks, Armenians, Maronites, Ukrainians and Assyrians. The majority of Arab Christians in Israel belong to the Greek Orthodox Church, with a sizable minority belonging to the Greek Catholic (Melkite) and Latin Churches. Other denominations are the Anglicans who have their cathedral church in the contested territory of East Jerusalem. Baptists in Israel are concentrated in the north of the country, and have four churches in the Nazareth area, and a seminary.

Some of the Arab Christians in Israel self-identify as Palestinian Arab Christians. Christian Arabs are considered to be the most educated community in Israel and they have attained more bachelor's degrees and academic degrees than Jewish, Muslims and Druze per capita.[40] Christian Arabs also have the highest rates of success in the matriculation examinations, both in comparison to the Muslims and the Druze and in comparison to all students in the Jewish education system.[40]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Christians#Israel

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Hezbollah is only tolerant of Christians so long as they observe the Sharia and submit as Dhimmi; furthermore, during the Lebanese-Israeli war they would intentionally set up their headquarters and rocket sites in Christian neighborhoods not to mention their assassination of the anti-Syrian Christian Prime Minister Saad Hariri.

To the Christians
If you, Christians, cannot tolerate that Muslims share with you certain domains of government, Allah has also made it intolerable for Muslims to participate in an unjust regime, unjust for you and for us, in a regime which is not predicated upon the prescriptions (ahkam) of religion and upon the basis of the Law (the Shari’a) as laid down by Muhammad, the Seal of the Prophets.


http://www.cfr.org/terrorist-organizations-and-networks/open-letter-hizballah-program/p30967

Hezbollah uses Christian villages as shields in missile attacks

Washington D.C., Aug 3, 2006 / 12:00 am (CNA).- Recent reports indicate that Hezbollah is using Christian villages to shield its attacks against Israel.

According to Christian Solidarity International, Hezbollah is hiding among civilian populations, mostly in southern Lebanese towns, such as Ain Ebel, Rmeish, Alma Alshaab.

This is not a new strategy for Hezbollah. Col. Charbel Barka, a former South Lebanese Army commander, says Hezbollah is repeating what it did in attacks against Israel in 1996.

A Christian from the village of Ain Ebel, who requested to remain nameless for fear of a reprisal from Hezbollah, reported that he found Hezbollah fighters setting up a launcher on his rooftop. Hezbollah fighters ignored his pleas to stop and fired the missiles. He immediately gathered his family and fled his home, which was bombed 15 minutes later by an Israeli air strike.


http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/n...stian_villages_as_shields_in_missile_attacks/

Report: Hezbollah officials receive indictments in Hariri murder probe
UN-backed tribunal arrives in Beirut to issue four arrest warrants for Hezbollah officials accused of the assassination of former Lebanon PM.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/r...e-indictments-in-hariri-murder-probe-1.370449

The only reason why Christians are not persecuted more extremely by Hezbollah is because Christians form 40% of the Lebanese population and until a few decades ago held a majority within the country, but unfortunately they are being slowly ethnically cleansed and flee in droves.

I find it very interesting that you attempt to discredit the secular FSA by accusing them of being Islamist, while at the same time offering admiration for the overtly theocratic and puritanical Islamist Hezbollah:


We are often asked: Who are we, the Hizballah, and what is our identity? We are the sons of the umma (Muslim community) - the party of God (Hizb Allah) the vanguard of which was made victorious by God in Iran. There the vanguard succeeded to lay down the bases of a Muslim state which plays a central role in the world. We obey the orders of one leader, wise and just, that of our tutor and faqih (jurist) who fulfills all the necessary conditions: Ruhollah Musawi Khomeini. God save him!

By virtue of the above, we do not constitute an organized and closed party in Lebanon. nor are we a tight political cadre. We are an umma linked to the Muslims of the whole world by the solid doctrinal and religious connection of Islam, whose message God wanted to be fulfilled by the Seal of the Prophets, i.e., Muhammad. This is why whatever touches or strikes the Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Philippines and elsewhere reverberates throughout the whole Muslim umma of which we are an integral part. Our behavior is dictated to us by legal principles laid down by the light of an overall political conception defined by the leading jurist (wilayat al-faqih).

We call upon all of them to pick the option of Islamic government which, alone, is capable of guaranteeing justice and liberty for all. Only an Islamic regime can stop any further tentative attempts of imperialistic infiltration into our country.

The Necessity for the Destruction of Israel

We see in Israel the vanguard of the United States in our Islamic world. It is the hated enemy that must be fought until the hated ones get what they deserve. This enemy is the greatest danger to our future generations and to the destiny of our lands, particularly as it glorifies the ideas of settlement and expansion, initiated in Palestine, and yearning outward to the extension of the Great Israel, from the Euphrates to the Nile.

Our primary assumption in our fight against Israel states that the Zionist entity is aggressive from its inception, and built on lands wrested from their owners, at the expense of the rights of the Muslim people. Therefore our struggle will end only when this entity is obliterated. We recognize no treaty with it, no cease fire, and no peace agreements, whether separate or consolidated.

We vigorously condemn all plans for negotiation with Israel, and regard all negotiators as enemies, for the reason that such negotiation is nothing but the recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist occupation of Palestine. Therefore we oppose and reject the Camp David Agreements, the proposals of King Fahd, the Fez and Reagan plan, Brezhnev's and the French-Egyptian proposals, and all other programs that include the recognition (even the implied recognition) of the Zionist entity.


http://www.cfr.org/terrorist-organizations-and-networks/open-letter-hizballah-program/p30967

 

You do realize that all U.S. Military action in the Middle East is part of an overall plan specific to properly maintaining the OIL supply to the U.S.?

AboveAlpha

 

Your own damn article states that the Assad forces fired first:

On Friday police opened fire on armed protesters killing four and injuring as many as 100 others

And it doesn't even say what the protestors were "armed" with, they could have been armed with sticks and bottles.

A few protestors getting out of hand and destroying property? You'll get arrested, teargassed, maybe even shot with a rubber bullet, bean bag shell, or a tazer. What will not (*)(*)(*)(*)ing happen pal, is the police will not fire indiscriminately into the crowd as the Assad forces did (see Seattle 1999 WTO protest).

Nobody was killed until the Baathist fired into the crowd as per your own damn article.

"According to one witness, who spoke to the press on condition of anonymity, "They used live ammunition immediately -- no tear gas or anything else."

And way to completely ignore the fact that this not the first time the Baath have pulled this (*)(*)(*)(*) recently:


This is not the first time that Syrian forces have used lethal force to break up a demonstration. On March 21, 2010, security forces fired at a group of Kurds celebrating Nowruz (Kurdish New Year) in Northern Syria, killing one person and wounding others. Two years previously, in March 2008, Syrian internal security forces had also opened fire on Kurds celebrating Nowruz in the town of Qamishli in northeastern Syria, killing three and wounding five others.


http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/03/21/syria-government-crackdown-leads-protester-deaths

Kurds gathered in the open field area known as Matahen on the outskirts of Raqqa at about 9 a.m. on March 21 to celebrate Nowruz, the Kurdish New Year. The gathering was organized by the PYD (Hezb al-Ittihad al-Dimocrati), an unlicensed party closely affiliated with the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) in Turkey.

Kurdish participants told Human Rights Watch that Syrian security forces and police, both in civilian clothes and military uniforms, were present in large numbers and asked the Kurds to remove Kurdish flags and pictures of Abdullah Ocalan, the leader of the PKK, who is detained in Turkey. The Kurds were told they would only be allowed to raise the Syrian flag and images of Syria's president, Bashar al-Assad.

When participants refused to comply, a fire truck sprayed the stage and the crowds with water in an effort to disperse them. People in the crowd started throwing stones toward the security forces who, said a participant who described the scene, started shooting in the air and shortly thereafter at the crowd. Syrian authorities have not issued an official statement on the incident.

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/03/26/syria-investigate-security-force-shooting-kurds

Firefighters appeared on the scene to extinguish the bonfire while police and intelligence officers fired teargas canisters and live ammunition in the air to disperse the crowds. Two participants told Human Rights Watch that when the celebrants failed to disperse, individuals wearing civilian clothes and driving in a white pick-up truck of the type usually used by intelligence officials fired their assault rifles into the crowd. “Without any warning, they started firing to the ground and suddenly bullets started flying indiscriminately,” an eyewitness told Human Rights Watch.

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/03/23/syria-investigate-killing-kurds

 

It really amazes me when some people who have never even been to the Middle East start believe the PR of abusive regimes and start making statements about people and things they have no concept about.

According to some here Assad and Saddam were Angels.

AboveAlpha

 

Then why do we get most of our oil from Mexico, Canada, and Nigeria?

 

Actually...it goes like this.

Canada...#1
Mexico...#2
Saudi Arabia...#3
Venezuela...#4
Nigeria...#5
Angola...#6
Iraq...#7

AboveAlpha

 

Hezbollah is only tolerant of Christians so long as they observe the Sharia and submit as Dhimmi; furthermore, during the Lebanese-Israeli war they would intentionally set up their headquarters and rocket sites in Christian neighborhoods not to mention their assassination of the anti-Syrian Christian Prime Minister Saad Hariri.

To the Christians
If you, Christians, cannot tolerate that Muslims share with you certain domains of government, Allah has also made it intolerable for Muslims to participate in an unjust regime, unjust for you and for us, in a regime which is not predicated upon the prescriptions (ahkam) of religion and upon the basis of the Law (the Shari’a) as laid down by Muhammad, the Seal of the Prophets.


http://www.cfr.org/terrorist-organizations-and-networks/open-letter-hizballah-program/p30967

Hezbollah uses Christian villages as shields in missile attacks

Washington D.C., Aug 3, 2006 / 12:00 am (CNA).- Recent reports indicate that Hezbollah is using Christian villages to shield its attacks against Israel.

According to Christian Solidarity International, Hezbollah is hiding among civilian populations, mostly in southern Lebanese towns, such as Ain Ebel, Rmeish, Alma Alshaab.

This is not a new strategy for Hezbollah. Col. Charbel Barka, a former South Lebanese Army commander, says Hezbollah is repeating what it did in attacks against Israel in 1996.

A Christian from the village of Ain Ebel, who requested to remain nameless for fear of a reprisal from Hezbollah, reported that he found Hezbollah fighters setting up a launcher on his rooftop. Hezbollah fighters ignored his pleas to stop and fired the missiles. He immediately gathered his family and fled his home, which was bombed 15 minutes later by an Israeli air strike.


http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/n...stian_villages_as_shields_in_missile_attacks/

Report: Hezbollah officials receive indictments in Hariri murder probe
UN-backed tribunal arrives in Beirut to issue four arrest warrants for Hezbollah officials accused of the assassination of former Lebanon PM.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/r...e-indictments-in-hariri-murder-probe-1.370449

The only reason why Christians are not persecuted more extremely by Hezbollah is because Christians form 40% of the Lebanese population and until a few decades ago held a majority within the country, but unfortunately they are being slowly ethnically cleansed and flee in droves.

I find it very interesting that you attempt to discredit the secular FSA by accusing them of being Islamist, while at the same time offering admiration for the overtly theocratic and puritanical Islamist Hezbollah:


We are often asked: Who are we, the Hizballah, and what is our identity? We are the sons of the umma (Muslim community) - the party of God (Hizb Allah) the vanguard of which was made victorious by God in Iran. There the vanguard succeeded to lay down the bases of a Muslim state which plays a central role in the world. We obey the orders of one leader, wise and just, that of our tutor and faqih (jurist) who fulfills all the necessary conditions: Ruhollah Musawi Khomeini. God save him!

By virtue of the above, we do not constitute an organized and closed party in Lebanon. nor are we a tight political cadre. We are an umma linked to the Muslims of the whole world by the solid doctrinal and religious connection of Islam, whose message God wanted to be fulfilled by the Seal of the Prophets, i.e., Muhammad. This is why whatever touches or strikes the Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Philippines and elsewhere reverberates throughout the whole Muslim umma of which we are an integral part. Our behavior is dictated to us by legal principles laid down by the light of an overall political conception defined by the leading jurist (wilayat al-faqih).

We call upon all of them to pick the option of Islamic government which, alone, is capable of guaranteeing justice and liberty for all. Only an Islamic regime can stop any further tentative attempts of imperialistic infiltration into our country.

The Necessity for the Destruction of Israel

We see in Israel the vanguard of the United States in our Islamic world. It is the hated enemy that must be fought until the hated ones get what they deserve. This enemy is the greatest danger to our future generations and to the destiny of our lands, particularly as it glorifies the ideas of settlement and expansion, initiated in Palestine, and yearning outward to the extension of the Great Israel, from the Euphrates to the Nile.

Our primary assumption in our fight against Israel states that the Zionist entity is aggressive from its inception, and built on lands wrested from their owners, at the expense of the rights of the Muslim people. Therefore our struggle will end only when this entity is obliterated. We recognize no treaty with it, no cease fire, and no peace agreements, whether separate or consolidated.

We vigorously condemn all plans for negotiation with Israel, and regard all negotiators as enemies, for the reason that such negotiation is nothing but the recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist occupation of Palestine. Therefore we oppose and reject the Camp David Agreements, the proposals of King Fahd, the Fez and Reagan plan, Brezhnev's and the French-Egyptian proposals, and all other programs that include the recognition (even the implied recognition) of the Zionist entity.


http://www.cfr.org/terrorist-organizations-and-networks/o pen-letter-hizballah-program/p30967[/QUOTE]



Mores blatant lies and bs.

There is NO sharia law in Lebanon. Hezbollah does NOT follow Sharia Law. You don't even know what Sharia Law is. You still think Syria has Sharia Law.

Hezbollah are about as dangerous as cute fluffy kittens when compared to your beloved Salafists, Wahhabis and Takfiris in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait. Christians can consume alcohol in Lebanon, wear skirts and tshirts and jeans right in front of Hezbollah, and they wont tell you anything. They dont even harass Muslim women either. I was in Lebanon and passed through East Beirut while wearing skirt and tshirt, and Hezbollah did not tell me anything or stop me.

Hezbollah will defend Christians in Lebanon against Sunni extremists. It is a sad fact USA doesnt protect anyone anymore, not even Christians. Hezbollah will be defending Christians while USA bombs and destroys Christian communities in SYria, just as it did in Iraq.

 

Of course. That doesn't make it correct. I am arguing for what is best for those people not oil interests. You made it seem as though the more 'humanitarian' option is to depose the dictators and I am pushing against that sentiment.

 

Your signature would beg to differ:

"Allah Souria Bashar w bas” "only God, Syria, and Bashar”

So Bashar comes above family? Friends? Freedom?

A cult of personality arises when an individual uses mass media, propaganda, or other methods, to create an idealized, heroic, and, at times god-like public image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise. Sociologist Max Weber developed a tripartite classification of authority; the cult of personality holds parallels with what Weber defined as "charismatic authority". A cult of personality is similar to hero worship, except that it is established by mass media and propaganda.

Syria

As one of his strategies to maintain power over Syria, Hafez al-Assad developed a state-sponsored cult of personality.[18] Portraits of him, often depicting him engaging in heroic activities, were placed in every public space. He named myriad numbers of places and institutions in Syria after himself, and other members of his family. At school, children were taught to sing songs of adulation about Hafez al-Assad. Teachers would begin each lesson with the song "Our eternal leader, Hafez al-Assad". In some cases, he portrayed himself with apparently divine properties. Sculptures and portraits depicted him alongside the prophet Mohammad, while, following her death, the government produced portraits of Assad's mother surrounded by a halo. Syrian officials were made to refer to him as the 'Sanctified one' (al-Muqaddas).[19] The personality cult that he developed portrayed him as a wise, modest and just leader of the country. This strategy of creating a cult of personality was pursued further by Hafez's son and current president Bashar al-Assad.[20]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality

Straight out of 1984 a book I guarantee is banned under the Baath, I suggest you read it while living under the freedom of Pax Americana.

 

It's sad the some people here base all their opinions on Wikipedia. That tells us only one thing - they have not got the clue about the real life. Assad is supported by the majority of Syrians that's why he is still in power. You may not like it, but that is the fact you will have to swallow. I can only laugh at your desperate attempts to present this as clear cut sectarian war. It is not because there are many Sunnis on the government side. Without Sunni support the legitimate Syrian government would last a year let alone three years.

As for FSA being secular and having any power in Syria. Get some perspective.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/09/world ... wanted=all
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000087 ... lenews_wsj
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... n/2075323/
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/10/opini ... aeda-syria
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-E ... ia-s-Assad
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/08/06/1 ... iipnmP-LmJ

 

Sorry I didn't write their manifesto which openly calls for a Sharia based Islamic regime.

Only because the Lebanese Constitution precludes it along with the 40% Christian population which would take up arms to oppose it.

Hezbollah begs to differ.

We are often asked: Who are we, the Hizballah, and what is our identity? We are the sons of the umma (Muslim community) - the party of God (Hizb Allah) the vanguard of which was made victorious by God in Iran. There the vanguard succeeded to lay down the bases of a Muslim state which plays a central role in the world. We obey the orders of one leader, wise and just, that of our tutor and faqih (jurist) who fulfills all the necessary conditions: Ruhollah Musawi Khomeini. God save him!

By virtue of the above, we do not constitute an organized and closed party in Lebanon. nor are we a tight political cadre. We are an umma linked to the Muslims of the whole world by the solid doctrinal and religious connection of Islam, whose message God wanted to be fulfilled by the Seal of the Prophets, i.e., Muhammad. This is why whatever touches or strikes the Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Philippines and elsewhere reverberates throughout the whole Muslim umma of which we are an integral part. Our behavior is dictated to us by legal principles laid down by the light of an overall political conception defined by the leading jurist (wilayat al-faqih).

We call upon all of them to pick the option of Islamic government which, alone, is capable of guaranteeing justice and liberty for all. Only an Islamic regime can stop any further tentative attempts of imperialistic infiltration into our country.

I'm probably more versed in the Surah and Hadith than you are and the 5 main schools of Islamic Jurisprudence than you are.

Syria is not an Islamic state like Hezbollah call for in their manifesto, however, the Constitution is explicitly clear in that only a Muslim can become President and that Islam is a major source of legislation, hardly a secular state as you claim.

Christians can do as they want because they form 40% of the population and will take up arms to defend their inalienable rights.

Hezbollah will defend Christians when they aren't busy using their villages as cover for strikes by the Israelis in wars that Hezbollah itself started, or when they're not busy assassinating anti-Syrian Christian heads of state.

 

It's sad that some people here don't know what a citation, reference page, or bibliography is.

That could have been proven if free and fair elections had been held in which Assad and his father were not the only candidates allowed to run for President in the last 40+ years.

Broken links all. But hey way to provide evidence that the military commanders who I listed above are Islamist rather than secular. Touche.

 

Try killing few police officers and see what happens. Let's cut the nauseating, blatantly false narrative about democracy and freedom here and focus on the real thing. It may be real educational experience for some of you here. Wikipedia will not tell you about it. I can only thank the guy who painstakingly collected all information and made it available for the public. It exposes the U.S foreign policy makers and their hypocrisy to the bare bones.

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2013/09/us-planned-syrian-civilian-catastrophe.html

A Timeline: How the Syrian Conflict Really Unfolded

 

Nigeria was at one point ahead of Venezuela, probably has something to do with the death of Chavez.

 

Your own *******n article stated clearly that it was the security forces who fired first.

First you denounce well referenced wikipedia articles, and then post a blog, well let's dissect this overt bull(*)(*)(*)(*) shall we:

2001: A classified plot is revealed to US Army General Wesley Clark that the US plans to attack and destroy the governments of 7 nations: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. Fora.TV: Wesley Clark at the Commonwealth Club of California, October 3, 2007.


Clarke lists his source as an unnamed staff officer in the White House not personal access to a "classified plot," this staff officer according to Clarke claims that it was a 5 year plan, Clarke claimed that this was in 2001, so by my count, we are already 7 years past the deadline and the governments of Syria, Iran, Somalia, Sudan, and Lebanon are still standing.


2005: US State Department's National Endowment for Democracy organizes and implements the "Cedar Revolution" in Lebanon directly aimed at undermining Syrian-Iranian influence in Lebanon in favor of Western-backed proxies, most notably Saad Hariri's political faction. Counterpunch: "Faking the Case Against Syria," by Trish Schuh November 19-20, 2005.


The Cedar Revolution was support for the end of the decades long illegal occupation of Lebanon by Syria even though Lebanon asked them to leave all the way back in 1986, it was not "Syrian influence" it was a full on military occupation, and in response the Syrian-Iranian proxies assassinated the Christian Prime Minister Hariri who your article references:


Report: Hezbollah officials receive indictments in Hariri murder probe
UN-backed tribunal arrives in Beirut to issue four arrest warrants for Hezbollah officials accused of the assassination of former Lebanon PM.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/r...e-indictments-in-hariri-murder-probe-1.370449


2007: Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker reveals that US, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Hariri in Lebanon as well as the Syrian arm of the Muslim Brotherhood were assembling, arming, training, and heavily funding a sectarian extremists front, many of whom had direct ties to Al Qaeda, to unleash in both Lebanon and Syria. The goal was to create and exploit a sectarian divide between Sunni and Shi'ia Muslims. Hersh interviewed intelligence officers who expressed concerns over the "cataclysmic conflict" that would result, and the need to protect ethnic minorities from sectarian atrocities. The report indicated that extremists would be logistically staged in northern Lebanon where they would be able to cross back and forth into Syria. New Yorker: "The Redirection," by Seymour Hersh, March 5, 2007.


Seymour Hersch writes a lot of unreliable bull(*)(*)(*)(*), this is one of those cases:

Link between the US government and Fatah al-Islam

In March 2007 Hersh asserted in a piece in The New Yorker that the United States and Saudi governments were funding the terrorist organization Fatah al-Islam through aid to Lebanese Sunni Prime Minister Fouad Siniora.[42] Following the publishing of the story journalists in Beirut uncovered that Hersh put forth the claim without any reliable sources. Hersh had heard the unconfirmed story from Robert Fisk who had, in turn, heard the story from former British intelligence agent Alastair Crooke. Crooke had only heard it circulated as rumor and no one had fact checked the claims before Hersh ran the story[43] which prompted a variety of criticisms.[44]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Hersh#Link_between_the_US_government_and_Fatah_al-Islam

I was reminded of this story after The New Yorker published an article three months ago dealing with the Bush administration's attitude toward Sunnis and Shi'ites, written by investigative reporter and Pulitzer Prize-winner Seymour Hersh. In the article, Hersh wrote that the U.S. administration, embracing realpolitik, was siding with the Sunnis in their conflict with the Shi'ites. This led the administration to cooperate even with those who are hostile toward the United States, including groups linked to Al-Qaida. To back up his claim, Hersh wrote that the United States was transferring funds to the government of Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora, even though it knew some of the money was going to the Palestinian group Fatah al-Islam in the Nahr el-Bared refugee camp in northern Lebanon. (The article was published about two months before fighting broke out between Fatah al-Islam and the Lebanese army.)

Sharp-eyed reporters in Beirut read the article in astonishment. Siniora, of the Lebanese Sunni establishment, was assisting allies of Al-Qaida who had split off from a pro-Syrian organization? And the United States was aware of this and might even be planning it, in order to strike at Hezbollah? And all this was in the context of aid to the Sunni forces in the Middle East in their conflict with Shi'ites backed, according to Hersh, by Iran? A world turned on its head. How could it be?

But it was published in The New Yorker, a magazine known for its meticulous fact-checking. The Lebanese reporters began investigating the story on their own.

Hersh said he heard the story from Robert Fisk, the bureau chief of The Independent's Beirut office. But Hersh did not check out the story himself. For his part, Fisk said he heard the unconfirmed report from Alastair Crooke, a former British intelligence agent and the founding director and Middle East representative of the Conflicts Forum, a non-profit organization that aims to build a new relationship between the West and the Muslim world. Crooke, who gained his reputation through his involvement in the conflict in northern Ireland, does not know Arabic. When Lebanese journalists spoke to Crooke about the report, they said he told them only that he had heard it "from all kinds of people."

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/thus-are-reports-about-the-mideast-generated-1.223615


2008: The US State Department begins training, funding, networking, and equipping "activists" through its "Alliance for Youth Movements" where the future protest leaders of the "Arab Spring," including Egypt's "April 6 Movement" were brought to New York, London, and Mexico, before being trained by US-funded CANVAS in Serbia, and then returning home to begin preparations for 2011. Land Destroyer: "2011 - Year of the Dupe," December 24, 2011.


lol, um are you serious? The blog just cited itself as a source. Wow.

Let's see what other pearls of wisdom we can uncover at "Land Destroyer".

Apparently 9-11 was an inside job:

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2010/09/911-was-inside-job.html

And Bin Laden is still alive:

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/05/final-word-on-bin-laden-hoax.html


2009-2010: In an April 2011 AFP report, Michael Posner, the assistant US Secretary of State for Human Rights and Labor, admitted that the "US government has budgeted $50 million in the last two years to develop new technologies to help activists protect themselves from arrest and prosecution by authoritarian governments." The report went on to admit that the US (emphasis added) "organized training sessions for 5,000 activists in different parts of the world. A session held in the Middle East about six weeks ago gathered activists from Tunisia, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon who returned to their countries with the aim of training their colleagues there." Posner would add, "They went back and there's a ripple effect." AFP: "US Trains Activists to Evade Security Forces," April 8, 2011.


AFP stands for American Free Press, it is a virulently anti-Semitic holocaust denial and conspiracy theory website:

AFP BOOK REVIEW: The Holocaust Hoax Exposed

When Victor Thorn offered us his latest book, we expected his unique truthful treatment of critical issues. Once again, with THE HOLOCAUST HOAX EXPOSED: DEBUNKING THE 20TH CENTURY’S BIGGEST LIE, our expectations have been met—even exceeded. In 25 concise chapters he demolishes once and for all the Zionist-Jewish Holocaust fable. - See more at: http://americanfreepress.net/?p=4679#sthash.C3euqr4o.dpuf

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=4679


2011: Posner's US trained, funded, and equipped activists return to their respective countries across the Arab World to begin their "ripple effect." Protests, vandalism , and arson sweep across Syria and "rooftop snipers" begin attacking both protesters and Syrian security forces, just as Western-backed movements were documented doing in Bangkok, Thailand one year earlier. With a similar gambit already unfolding in Libya, US senators begin threatening Syria with long planned and sought after military intervention. Land Destroyer: "Syria: Intervention Inevitable," April 29, 2011.


Christ they just cited themselves again, I'll stick with wikipedia thank you.

 

No. Not 'we'. It is they. And you know who they are by now, of course.

*Clue*

Who are the only people in the world that WANT gentiles to murder other gentiles in this?

As per polling. As per what their organisations have 'urged'.

This goes off and people start dying. I'm directly blaming them.

This goes off and undermines and put us all at risk. I know where I am taking my issues to.

It's them. They are the barbarians.

- - - Updated - - -

250 demons walking on two legs.

I'd give them 'storm'.

 

Or even just this part.

 

Prove it.

Can you actually prove anything, or do you just open your mouth and see what falls out?

 

As expected from the obviously paid propagandist - you posted nothing of substance. You did not address a single point instead you tried to smear people and sources. Frankly, your actions were plain silly. If you had read it properly then you would've surely noticed that within their own source is the real source. But it is obvious that was a very difficult task for you. Incidentally, no one has posted sources for you, brainwashed and lost causes cannot be educated and reformed. Stick to Wikipedia.

 

My suggestion?

When thes monsters put the lives of others, and OUR families at risk, with their Kosher approved IPAC BS, then it starts to get very personal.

Make it personal.

 

Your own *******n article stated clearly that it was the security forces who fired first.

First you denounce well referenced wikipedia articles, and then post a blog, well let's dissect this overt bull(*)(*)(*)(*) shall we:

2001: A classified plot is revealed to US Army General Wesley Clark that the US plans to attack and destroy the governments of 7 nations: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. Fora.TV: Wesley Clark at the Commonwealth Club of California, October 3, 2007.


Clarke lists his source as an unnamed staff officer in the White House not personal access to a "classified plot," this staff officer according to Clarke claims that it was a 5 year plan, Clarke claimed that this was in 2001, so by my count, we are already 7 years past the deadline and the governments of Syria, Iran, Somalia, Sudan, and Lebanon are still standing.


2005: US State Department's National Endowment for Democracy organizes and implements the "Cedar Revolution" in Lebanon directly aimed at undermining Syrian-Iranian influence in Lebanon in favor of Western-backed proxies, most notably Saad Hariri's political faction. Counterpunch: "Faking the Case Against Syria," by Trish Schuh November 19-20, 2005.


The Cedar Revolution was support for the end of the decades long illegal occupation of Lebanon by Syria even though Lebanon asked them to leave all the way back in 1986, it was not "Syrian influence" it was a full on military occupation, and in response the Syrian-Iranian proxies assassinated the Christian Prime Minister Hariri who your article references:


Report: Hezbollah officials receive indictments in Hariri murder probe
UN-backed tribunal arrives in Beirut to issue four arrest warrants for Hezbollah officials accused of the assassination of former Lebanon PM.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/r...e-indictments-in-hariri-murder-probe-1.370449


2007: Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker reveals that US, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Hariri in Lebanon as well as the Syrian arm of the Muslim Brotherhood were assembling, arming, training, and heavily funding a sectarian extremists front, many of whom had direct ties to Al Qaeda, to unleash in both Lebanon and Syria. The goal was to create and exploit a sectarian divide between Sunni and Shi'ia Muslims. Hersh interviewed intelligence officers who expressed concerns over the "cataclysmic conflict" that would result, and the need to protect ethnic minorities from sectarian atrocities. The report indicated that extremists would be logistically staged in northern Lebanon where they would be able to cross back and forth into Syria. New Yorker: "The Redirection," by Seymour Hersh, March 5, 2007.


Seymour Hersch writes a lot of unreliable bull(*)(*)(*)(*), this is one of those cases:

Link between the US government and Fatah al-Islam

In March 2007 Hersh asserted in a piece in The New Yorker that the United States and Saudi governments were funding the terrorist organization Fatah al-Islam through aid to Lebanese Sunni Prime Minister Fouad Siniora.[42] Following the publishing of the story journalists in Beirut uncovered that Hersh put forth the claim without any reliable sources. Hersh had heard the unconfirmed story from Robert Fisk who had, in turn, heard the story from former British intelligence agent Alastair Crooke. Crooke had only heard it circulated as rumor and no one had fact checked the claims before Hersh ran the story[43] which prompted a variety of criticisms.[44]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Hersh#Link_between_the_US_government_and_Fatah_al-Islam

I was reminded of this story after The New Yorker published an article three months ago dealing with the Bush administration's attitude toward Sunnis and Shi'ites, written by investigative reporter and Pulitzer Prize-winner Seymour Hersh. In the article, Hersh wrote that the U.S. administration, embracing realpolitik, was siding with the Sunnis in their conflict with the Shi'ites. This led the administration to cooperate even with those who are hostile toward the United States, including groups linked to Al-Qaida. To back up his claim, Hersh wrote that the United States was transferring funds to the government of Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora, even though it knew some of the money was going to the Palestinian group Fatah al-Islam in the Nahr el-Bared refugee camp in northern Lebanon. (The article was published about two months before fighting broke out between Fatah al-Islam and the Lebanese army.)

Sharp-eyed reporters in Beirut read the article in astonishment. Siniora, of the Lebanese Sunni establishment, was assisting allies of Al-Qaida who had split off from a pro-Syrian organization? And the United States was aware of this and might even be planning it, in order to strike at Hezbollah? And all this was in the context of aid to the Sunni forces in the Middle East in their conflict with Shi'ites backed, according to Hersh, by Iran? A world turned on its head. How could it be?

But it was published in The New Yorker, a magazine known for its meticulous fact-checking. The Lebanese reporters began investigating the story on their own.

Hersh said he heard the story from Robert Fisk, the bureau chief of The Independent's Beirut office. But Hersh did not check out the story himself. For his part, Fisk said he heard the unconfirmed report from Alastair Crooke, a former British intelligence agent and the founding director and Middle East representative of the Conflicts Forum, a non-profit organization that aims to build a new relationship between the West and the Muslim world. Crooke, who gained his reputation through his involvement in the conflict in northern Ireland, does not know Arabic. When Lebanese journalists spoke to Crooke about the report, they said he told them only that he had heard it "from all kinds of people."

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/thus-are-reports-about-the-mideast-generated-1.223615


2008: The US State Department begins training, funding, networking, and equipping "activists" through its "Alliance for Youth Movements" where the future protest leaders of the "Arab Spring," including Egypt's "April 6 Movement" were brought to New York, London, and Mexico, before being trained by US-funded CANVAS in Serbia, and then returning home to begin preparations for 2011. Land Destroyer: "2011 - Year of the Dupe," December 24, 2011.


lol, um are you serious? The author of the article Tony Cartalucci just cited himself as a source:

2011 - Year of the Dupe
A timeline & history: One year into the engineered "Arab Spring," one step closer to global hegemony.
by Tony Cartalucci

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/12/2011-year-of-dupe.html

Wow.

Let's see what other pearls of wisdom we can uncover at "Land Destroyer" from Mr. Cartalucci:

Apparently 9-11 was an inside job:

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2010/09/911-was-inside-job.html

And Bin Laden is still alive:

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/05/final-word-on-bin-laden-hoax.html


2009-2010: In an April 2011 AFP report, Michael Posner, the assistant US Secretary of State for Human Rights and Labor, admitted that the "US government has budgeted $50 million in the last two years to develop new technologies to help activists protect themselves from arrest and prosecution by authoritarian governments." The report went on to admit that the US (emphasis added) "organized training sessions for 5,000 activists in different parts of the world. A session held in the Middle East about six weeks ago gathered activists from Tunisia, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon who returned to their countries with the aim of training their colleagues there." Posner would add, "They went back and there's a ripple effect." AFP: "US Trains Activists to Evade Security Forces," April 8, 2011.


AFP stands for American Free Press, it is a virulently anti-Semitic holocaust denial and conspiracy theory website:

AFP BOOK REVIEW: The Holocaust Hoax Exposed

When Victor Thorn offered us his latest book, we expected his unique truthful treatment of critical issues. Once again, with THE HOLOCAUST HOAX EXPOSED: DEBUNKING THE 20TH CENTURY’S BIGGEST LIE, our expectations have been met—even exceeded. In 25 concise chapters he demolishes once and for all the Zionist-Jewish Holocaust fable. - See more at: http://americanfreepress.net/?p=4679#sthash.C3euqr4o.dpuf

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=4679


2011: Posner's US trained, funded, and equipped activists return to their respective countries across the Arab World to begin their "ripple effect." Protests, vandalism , and arson sweep across Syria and "rooftop snipers" begin attacking both protesters and Syrian security forces, just as Western-backed movements were documented doing in Bangkok, Thailand one year earlier. With a similar gambit already unfolding in Libya, US senators begin threatening Syria with long planned and sought after military intervention. Land Destroyer: "Syria: Intervention Inevitable," April 29, 2011.


Christ they he just cited himself again:

Syria: Intervention Inevitable
And the greater World War.
by Tony Cartalucci

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/04/syria-intervention-inevitable.html

I'll stick with wikipedia thank you.