Who was the best president of the last fifty years?

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damn straight.well said.

 

the same comedians that voted for Reagan,Nixon and Clinton.

 

To give the full response to your rant Would be a waste of time
I use a voice to texts program that limits my vocabulary and my ability to construct sentence Or use punctuation
According to your response you cannot understand what a person is trying to put forth When they do not use proper sentence

Somebody else put on Another board All conservatives are not stupid Only ones who are not super rich

 

you should start a comedy club.seriously.

You obviously havent been paying attention to all the posts here in this thread by some people that are actually awake and did not swallow the lies and b.s about reagan from hot air mouth pices like Rush Limbugh like you have that he was a great president.He was an evil man and corrupt and the worst president ever at the time.

If you had been paying attention to the posts in here,you would have seen the proof that he was a horrible president. Goober,The Black Pearl,and Seerfin USA.

ALL spelled it out for you dummies style how he was a corrupt president and ruined the country in their previous posts in posts #' 11,#22,and# 18.

you wont read those posts though because as we both know,you are too arrogant to admit when you have have been proven wrong.

as you so well demonstrated on this thread,avoiding the facts he posted and not even trying to refute them,but instead,doing the childish thing,evading the facts,changing the subject and attacking the messenger cause the truth hurts.

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=321049

 

thanks for demonstrating your ignorance.the ONLY thing you got right here in your pitiful ramblings is that Nixon wasnt near as bad as Obomination but at the time,he was the most evil and corrupt president ever.Like LBJ,he is strongly connected to the JFK assassination.

Only broke ONE law? wow you have really been brainwashed by our corrupt and failing school system.thats all they teach and tell you wanting you to believe that watergate was the worst crime he committed when in reality,he sabotoged Johnsons Paris peace tallks to end the vietnam war.

Johnson talked about that in a taped white house recording.Johnson was long time pals with Nixon just like Clinton is with the Bushs so he didnt raise much hell about it..

DICK Nixon just like Johnson,was a mass murderer.It wasnt the vietcong or the NVA that killed those 58,000 americans.It was Johnson and Nixon that murdered them.Nixon ran on the platform lying to the faces of the american people that he would end the vietnam war.He could have ended it in 1969 but he delayed it with his sabotoge of the paris peace talks and let it go on for another four more years.

He also put a dictater in power who murdered millions.He was WORSE than Johnson actually.

oh and stop spreading lies that JFK said he would give them air support.He was tricked and lied to by the CIA from the very beginning about the bay of pigs invasion that he inherited from Eisenhower.

The plan they presented to JFK was completely different than the one they presented to Eisenhower. He was lied to from the very beginning from the CIA about the invasion of Cuba.

He was told by Allen Dulles that the plan would not call for air support or military involvement.During the invasion,he even approched Dulles and the CIA and told them-I know you have lied to me from the very beginning about this invasion that we did not need air support.Tell me the truth,do we need air support? and the CIA again of course lied to him saying it was not needed.Hence thats WHY he wisely fired Dulles as CIA director who was that bastards Nixons pal.

Carter like JFK,was trying to clan up the CIA when he got in office,he immediately fired then CIA director and future president George Bush sr and replaced him with Stansfield Turner and immediately started cleaning up the CIA getting rid of all their dirty covert operations.

Then Reagan got in and returned the CIA back to their old corrupt ways giving the CIA the green light to go ahead with their covert operations again firing Turner and replacing him with Bill Casey.yeah great president there Reagan was.

 

Uh the reason WHY the bay of pigs invasion was bungled is because the CIA lied to him from the very beginning about the invasion telling him they did not need air support when they knew from the very get go,they WOULD need air support. they knew he would not go along with the plan if they told him they would need air support so they lied to him from the outset about the invasion saying it wasnt needed.They thought after it turned into a disaster,they could trick him into ordering an all out invasion of it which did not work.

You should be grateful Kennedy got elected president instead of Dick Nixon because had Nixon been president,we would not be here right now.Nixon himself said in later years,had he been president back then,he would have gone in and bombed them which is what the military wanted JFK to do but he wisely did not listen to them.Nixon would have gone in and bombed cuba just like he said he would have done,and would have started world war three and you would not be here now.thats WHY JFK was a great president.

thank god we had the disasterous bay of pigs invasion because after that,Kennedy wisely stopped listening to the military brass what they wanted him to do and instead listened closely to his aides and their advise and leaned on Bobby heavily during the crisis.

 

Reagan for me.

 

It's an awful list. I would say the president who did the least damage, though certainly no great president, was Carter. Reagan was the worst. Then it is a close race between Bush and Obama after that. Clinton did a great deal of damage too. Domestically Johnson was strong economically, but Vietnam was such a disaster, that you can't think too highly of him. Otherwise, there isn't a lot nice to say about any of the rest.

 

Im glad you see the light on Reagan. He was the worst ever president at the time,but every president since then,has been more corrupt than he was.Carter is the only halfway decent good president we have had since JFK who was our last GREAT president we had.all the others were all corrupt scumbags.

 

Well, reducing taxes from 70% to 28%, and then having a 30+ year ditch of them sure doesn't help. As far as Obama is concerned, he should be proposing a raise in taxes on the rich (whose wealth has been increasing recently) to 80%, which the American people overwhelmingly support. When his opponents oppose tax increases on the rich, and instead propose tax cuts for the rich, he can then make a big issue out of it. Well, guess what ? I just told the story of 2012.

 

Ronald Reagan was the best president since Theodore Roosevelt, at least. We had had a terrible economic situation called "Stagflation" after the end of the Vietnam War, with many of the same kinds of symptoms of a sick economy as we have gone through in the last five years, PLUS incredibly high inflation! Reagan worked with Congress fairly well, and with the Chairman of the Federal Reserve System, Paul Volcker, and within 2 1/2 years, the economy was strong, employment was high, and there was no more inflation worth mentioning. At the same time, Reagan started a skillful buildup of U.S. military power that was leveraged so well that the Soviet Union literally fell apart and disappeared about two years after Reagan left office.

Was Reagan perfect? Today's hyperlib Obama-lovers will be quick to tell you "no!", but even though Democrats in Congress often gave him a hard time, Ronald Reagan and the Republicans in Congress lifted this country up from the angry division we experienced during Vietnam, the crimes and scandals of the Nixon years, and the spineless, aimless stupidity of the liberal Carter years. Was Reagan perfect? No... he was simply the best president we've had in a one HELL of a long time!

 

In reality Reagan took over a growing economy, a serious recession followed his election, the fed Chairman Volker made obvious changes, and the economy improved. only to tank again towards the end of his presidency. The myth of Reagan is one of the most inexplicable beliefs in modern American politics. The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its own inefficiencies, all Reagan did was indebt us to fight a war that was winding down of its own volition.

 

It doesn't surprise me that the actor convinced the most people to vote for him. He did put on a good show!

 

At least Reagan was a professional actor; Obama just plays one when he is in the White House.

 

He can take the two dollar bill. Thomas Jefferson wouldn't want to be on FIAT money anyway.

 

Hiya, frodly! How have you been? Good to see you! I'm not a bit surprised that you wouldn't miss a chance to kick Reagan's ghost in the guts. Some of it is a s-t-r-e-t-c-h, to say the least. Some of what you say is conjecture at best, and laughable at worst... "fed Chairman Volker made obvious changes"? Oh? If they were so damned obvious, then why didn't Volcker (at least spell the man's name correctly) begin doing them when Idiot Carter appointed him?! Hell, it took Reagan and Volcker until 1983 to clean up the mess that Nixon-Ford-Carter made....

The Soviet Union, after enjoying a decade of strength and power threatened all of Western Europe at a time when Nixon-Ford-Carter had let our military become so weak it was doubtful we could do anything about it. The Soviet Union did, in fact, invade Afghanistan! Do you remember any of that? No? Where were you? But now you postulate that, somehow, the Soviet Union, after confronting Reagan for eight years, just suddenly and spontaneously "collapsed under the weight of its own inefficiencies"? What a pantload!

What did Reagan do during his presidency? Got us out of the Stagflation recession. Built American military strength to effective counter and overcome that of the Soviet Union. And, with Fed. Chairman, Paul Volcker, whipped inflation down to the lowest point in decades! But you can say it's all bull**** if you want to, frodly -- I LIVED it, and the record and factual accounts of the accomplishments of the Reagan years are a matter of historical fact. Not all the revisionist airbrushing in the world can change that!

You hyperlibs love to kick Reagan in the guts, but in the next breath you gush praise and adulation for Barack Obama, who is rapidly casting himself in the role of being the WORST president in the history of the United States. Interesting gymnastics of the imagination, but I doubt it's convincing to anybody but those of your own sort....

 

I don't like Obama, you know this, so stop with the straw men.

Next up I have addressed the myth of Reagan and the Soviet Union a million times, I will just repost one of those responses.

Yes it most definitely is. Reagan increased military spending, and the only legacy of that is the crippling debt we now have. The whole narrative about Reagan increasing military spending, the Soviets trying to match it, and the Soviets eventually bankrupting themselves because of it, is a myth. Soviet military spending was stagnant throughout the time.

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/poli...gn/reagrus.htm


The reason the Soviet Union collapsed, was because Gorbachev was committed to reforming the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was a deeply flawed and inefficient giant that was maintained by violence and the threat of violence. The Soviet Union could have just as easily collapsed in 1956 or 1968, but when the threat of liberalization on the periphery came up, the Soviets responded by sending in tanks and crushing the movements. What led to the Soviet collapse, was Gorbachev's decision to go against precedence and NOT crush the movements that rose up in Poland and East Germany. So it was not Reagan, but Gorbachev's decision to remove the violence and threat of violence which had been keeping the system together for decades. As soon as he made that decision, and then stuck to it, the Soviet Union collapsed very quickly.

Ronald Grigor Suny, who is a really prominent Soviet historian at U of C(he might be at Michigan now, I don't remember), makes the point that while Reagan's role was minor, it wasn't non-existent. He argues that Reagan's reputation as staunch Cold warrior allowed him to actually be deeply accommodating with Gorbachev, in a way a Democrat never could have been. He says that this actually made a small difference, and I can buy that. Reagan's second term accommodation of the Soviets was important, his first term war mongering and obscene military spending only had the effect of ruining the financial strength of this country in the long term!!

The Reagan economy was a mixed bag. This is a fact. The beginning saw a serious recession, followed by a period of large growth, followed by a recession. Hardly the stuff to build a presidential legend on. Reagan's economic legacy is boosted by very significant growth during 2 years, but the rest of the years were poor, and his average is lower than Clinton, Johnson, Kennedy, and Truman. It was comparable with Eisenhower and Carter.

http://www.davemanuel.com/2010/08/03/us-gdp-growth-by-president-1948-2009/

Reagan's presidency saw the start of our descent into debt, the explosion of the trade deficit, the beginning of a stagnation of real average wages, the export of our manufacturing sector, the significant increase in differential between rich and poor, etc.

What Reagan actually was, was a great performer. He was an actor, who was excellent at performing political theater. In fact, he largely changed the way in which politics is done in this country. Since Reagan, with the exception of the first Bush, all our presidents have been great at political theater. Their qualifications and abilities to lead are secondary to their charisma, political discipline, and ability to perform political theater. So Reagan was charismatic, funny, and he appealed to people on a personal level. The fact that he was a truly terrible president often then gets lost in the shuffle.

 

This is utter nonsense. Frodly was right. The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its own inefficiencies (spending too much on defense and space). Who on earth doesn't know that ? Answer ? You don't, it looks like.

As for Reagan's economic misadventures, he was simply a member of the highest paid employees in America (movie stars) and just wanted to lower his tax rate. And he did from 70% to 28%. And along with it, we got one of the worst times of GDP growth and job growth in our history.

And I lived it too. And I also lived during the Truman and Eisenhower years, when the economy was much better, taxes were enormous (91-92%), and they didn't turn tail and run from a bunch of murdering Muslim loonies (as Reagan did in Lebanon after the bombing of the US Marines barracks) They also didn't give amnesty to 3 million illegal aliens. Quite the contrary, Ike chased them out of the US, with Operation Wetback in 1954.

 

I acknowledge the greatest impact of an invasion of Cuba during the missile crisis having been the possible start of WWIII.

But I don't recall WWIII as a possible consequence of the Bay of Pigs.

I think you are getting the two Cuba confrontations confused.

Here, JFK's fear is that the USSR would see US direct participation in the Bay of Pigs invasion as (my words) provocative but not the WW3 trigger that the CMC was.

http://www.history.com/topics/bay-of-pigs-invasion

 

Your facts are stunningly wrong.

Reagan inherited an economy that suffered from double digit inflation and massive unemployment and layoffs. The malaise in this country at the time was palpable and it stemmed from Jimmy Carter's approach to leading this country. It was an awful time.

Awful.

Reagan's first couple of years were even more difficult for some Americans because of the fixes Reagan put in place which took a while to take effect.

But they did take effect in about two years. That's why Reagan won his second term in a landslide.

That's why people expect Obama to have fixed things in his control to repair long before the start of HIS second term. And yet, he's STILL BLAMING BUSH and millions have dropped out of the job market, a record number of people are getting government entitlements/benefits and he's steadily trying to add MORE people to the dole.

Obama, with his foreign orientation and sensibilities and his questionable dealings and his hidden agenda and his intentional transformation of our society to a lesser entity and his treasonous acts, his radical politics, his wildly extravagant tax and spend progressivism, his deceit and manipulations, his lack of love for America, his contempt for the American people and his incompetence is certainly, absolutely the worst POTUS EVER!!!

 

Maybe we could put Reagan on the $3 bill, or better yet, on the trillion dollar platinum coin.....

 

I guess if I had to choose among this lot, it would be Ford, since I know the least about him. That probably means he did the least amount of damage out of all of them. If Kennedy hadn't been such a war-monger, he'd have been the best by far.

 

I can tell you who the worst is, and it's not even a contest: LBJ.

I don't believe those theories behind the JFK assassination, but I wouldn't put it past LBJ and the war-profiteers to orchestrate it. They had no regard for human life, none.

 

LBJ was only a pupil and understudy of the man who was the worst president in the history of this country: Franklin Delano Roosevelt. LBJ was only one of the Democrat Party's minor lackeys and stooges while FDR was corrupting the nation into a reckless, ruinous socialistic state, but LBJ was a good student, and he learned well. LBJ gave us budget-breaking social programs in the 1960's that continue to wreck our economy to this very day, but they were built up on the edifice of economic idiocy, stupidity, and irresponsibility that were in all the groundwork laid by Franklin Delano Roosevelt!

I could go on and on about how FDR conspired with Churchill to cut off Japan's oil supply while we were completely at PEACE with Japan, and how that got us into World War II, which had been FDR's and Churchill's single-minded purpose for two years before. Or how FDR literally gave away all of Eastern Europe to Stalin because he was too stupid deal with the mess he and Churchill had made of the world, including letting communism take over China, which in turn led to the Korean War, and, the Cold War which lasted for decades....

No, as bad as LBJ was (thanks for the Vietnam War, Lyndon!), the even worse moron was "Frankie" Roosevelt. But, before long, even Frankie may be replaced by Idiot Comrade Obama as the worst president ever, and that would be quite an accomplishment....

 

I was only choosing among the poll choices. Out of them, LBJ is by far the worst. If I had to choose "all-time" worst, it would be Lincoln in a landslide. He's the one who destroyed the republic and handed the reigns of power over to the banks and war profiteers for good.