Legalisation of marijuana yes or no

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by WanRen, Aug 4, 2013.

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legalization of Marijuana

  1. yes

    79.8%
  2. no

    15.1%
  3. not sure

    5.0%
  1. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Your lack of education is very clear, here so that you'll know marijuana and opium are drugs and have the same hallucinating effects.
    Do not open your mouth, think first before you post.
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  2. tomfoo13ry

    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nope. You're wrong...as usual.

    You've shown us opium dens, now let's take a look at some "marijuana dens."

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    Also, a bit of trivia: There hasn't been a President of the United States (aka Leader of the Free World) that hasn't smoked marijuana in at least the last 2 decades. Good luck convincing people that weed ruins peoples' lives. lol
     
  3. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    And they all gave up smoking marijuana because it make them see imaginary things hallucinate that will hamper their normal and important decision making.
     
  4. KevinVA

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    Legalizing pot for medicinal purposes has proven to be a gateway toward legalizing pot for everyday use. This will prove to be ineffective against the Mexican Cartels, because once pot is legalized, they'll just move on to next thing (if you think about it, they're crony capitalists - supply/demand)... and they're already engaged in human trafficking for the slave trade and prostitution. So how are we going to fight human trafficking? Legalize it? If that's too "out there", what about the selling of cocaine? Is that the next logical step?

    I see the legalization of Marijuana as a stepping stone to complete Societal degradation. If you think there are a lot of pot heads now, just wait... and what's wonderful, is they think they're the most brilliant people in the room, since they're "so open-minded." We're going to have a bunch of high, annoyingly arrogant couch drifters slopping around the streets. Think Occupy Wall Street... but everywhere.

    I also see this as our acceptance in finalizing our realization of Rome. A complacent society is an enslaved society. With everyone hopped up on drugs, sleeping with whoever they want (male or female, spouse or not) without repercussions (abortion), doing whatever they want (since they're unemployed), the tyrants can pass any legislation they feel is necessary to ensure the longevity of their rule. We've voted ourselves into slavery and now the masters would have us be happy in it.
     
  5. anomaly

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    Very well informed and first hand at that! It's obvious that you are simply regurgitating skewed facts that your lame a s s preacher handed you!

    I'ts very obvious to everyone here that you don't have a freakin' clue about this subject in the least. Crawl back up your preachers a s s and leave this discussion to those who are informed about it.
     
  6. tomfoo13ry

    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They gave up smoking marijuana? You mean to tell me that they somehow managed to quit smoking marijuana, this drug that you describe as having the following attributes:

    1. Highly addictive
    2. Steals souls
    3. Inevitably leads to heroin and cocaine use
    4. Kills the user
    5. Causes people to hallucinate to the point of "killing anyone on sight"

    Really? How did they manage to quit such a powerfully addictive and dangerous drug? Why aren't they dead? Also, how did they manage to attain the highest office in the land after destroying their "body, mind and soul" by smoking marijuana?
     
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    The OP needs to understand something. Marijuana is not habit forming. You do not get addicted to it like opium or tobacco. Yes, it has habitual users, but they do not have physical dependency on the drug. Marijuana also has never killed a single person from direct use. It's impossible to overdose on it.

    There is more crime and death caused by the prohibition of marijuana than the drug ever has or ever will cause on it's own.

    The reason marijuana was outlaws to begin with was because the plant endangered the profits of oil, lumber, and drug companies. It was not outlawed because of any danger to society.
     
  8. tomfoo13ry

    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Facts don't seem to matter to the OP. He will disagree with every single thing you just said without offering any actual/relevant facts of his own and then accuse you of being a drug addict.
     
  9. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    They were smart enough to quite before it get to their soul and take their lives.
     
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    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How did they "quit"? Did they commit themselves to a hospital? 12-step program? What? If marijuana is as addictive and dangerous as you say then I don't see how someone could just "quit" like it was nothing. Perhaps, your notions aren't quite in line with reality? Have you ever considered that? Are you even capable of considering that? Or would the cognitive dissonance be too much?
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    I live in the state of Washington where, like Colorado, we've legalized the recreational use of marijuana but I want to see our laws go one step further. We haven't legalized the growing of marijuana for personal use yet and we need to do that next. Why should a person have to purchase a product when they can grow it themselves?

    BTW Seeing that a Canadian started this thread can you please take Ted Cruz back? He's a natural born Canadian that I'd like to see return to his home country at the soonest possible convenience. He' down here in the US creating nothing but problems for the United States.
     
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    In the 1930s????
     
  13. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    You must be very disappointed that they quite. They quite because marijuana is bad, marijuana is addictive and it can take over your mind and soul. You should start getting into reality the reality is that marijuana is addictive that is why your politicians all quite. Are you a heavy smoker of marijuana? Uhm?
     
  14. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    So you don't like him because he is Hispanic so now you are being racist? Is this because your mind and soul is being clouded with too much marijuana smoking that you can't think straight?

    Rafael Edward "Ted" Cruz (born December 22, 1970)[1] is the junior United States Senator for the state of Texas since 2013. He is a member of the Republican Party and was Solicitor General of Texas from 2003 to May 2008, after being appointed by Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott.[1] He was the first Hispanic Solicitor General in Texas,[3] the youngest Solicitor General in the United States, and the Solicitor General with the longest tenure in Texas history. He was the first Hispanic elected U.S. Senator from Texas.[4]

    I guess next you'll ask Obama to be return to Kenya? Oh, no you won't because Obama support legalization of marijuana.
     
  15. tomfoo13ry

    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Go back and try to answer my questions. You didn't address a single one of them.

    No, I don't smoke marijuana at all.

    Are you currently on any medications for delusional thinking or do you attend a school for the mentally impaired? Uhm?
     
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    well, in the 30's hemp was not actually outlawed. They passed a law requiring a stamp to sell or grow it for sell. They just never produced the stamps, which, for all intents and purposes, made pot illegal, since you were not allowed to grow or sell it without the non-existent stamps. It was called the Marijuana Tax Act. It was not outright outlawed until the 50's under the Boggs Act, and the Narcotics Control Act, which made possession, and buying it illegal.

    Lumber companies were one of the leading supporters and lobbyists for making pot illlegal, because feared the rise of hemp paper, which was cheaper to produce, far more abundant, and far for environmentally friendly than lumber paper.

    Oil companies feared the research into hemp fuel that started in the 50's, which is the reason that most 50's reefer madness type propaganda films were funded, at least partly, by oil companies.

    And drug companies have been lobbying against pot for about 30 year now, ever since the research for pot's medical benefits became public.

    But really, one of the biggest lobbyists for keeping pot illegal is private prisons, and prison unions. Many states do not own their own prisons anymore. They contract private prisons to keep the prisoners for them. These private prisons spend billions on anti-pot campaigns to make sure that the biggest money maker is kept illegal, so they can keep bringing in people arrested for possessions. And prison guards are paid based on how many prisoners they keep at one time. So their unions push to keep pot illegal. since a good chunk of US prisoners are serving 10 to 20 year terms for felony Marijuana possession.
     
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    I don't like him because he looks and talks just like Mr. Haney. Mr. Haney is/was a white southern yokel.
     
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    Great reasoning.

    That's a good amount of conspiracy theories right there. You getting your talking points from marijuana.com?

    Here are the facts:
    1. Industrial Hemp (which cannot get you high) would be useful for producing paper, clothing, carpets, etc... but honestly, unnecessary. We have plenty of materials at the ready to produce an end product that's just as good or better than hemp products.
    2. Medicinal Marijuana doesn't cure anything... it's just a pain killer, in that it causes hallucinatory effects in the user. It's a removal from reality into a trance-like state.
    3. The majority of supporters for legalizing marijuana are habitual and casual users who like the effects of getting high... To pretend otherwise is a laugh riot.
    4. Legalizing Marijuana would solve nothing - drug cartels would still exist and adapt. People would still be getting high and useless (though, probably more-so now that it's legal). It would literally create an Idiocracy (yes, like the movie - remember all the smart people?).
    5. Smoking Marijuana is just as bad as smoking Cigarettes. You're inhaling smoke... If you think that's good for you, you're kidding yourself.
    6. Growing Hemp to compete with Oil would be fruitless. You'd need to farm the entire United States to put up a fight and it would be a losing battle, since Oil is so readily available. Good luck in that failing venture. It would also take up more room from food-growing farms, just as the Corn crop industry has been forced into ethanol (which has literally no redeeming qualities, but is worse for your engine).
    7. Marijuana makes you do stupid things. I've been there, done that... it makes you bolder, it makes you paranoid, and it makes you more apt to doing things you typically wouldn't do.
    8. It takes much less Marijuana to make you do these stupid things than it does alcohol.
    9. The smoke from Marijuana can chemically affect those around you, just as the smoke from Cigarettes can. Alcohol does not share this characteristic.
    10. While it's not as addictive as Cigarettes, it's still addictive. People like the high... Why do you think there's so much support for the legalization of it... and why do you think there's an underground industry dedicated to it? People want it, because people love it and have to have it. It's addictive.

    I'm sure I'm forgetting some things.
     
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    What you are forgetting is how funny and silly your facts are!
     
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    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wait, you've "been there, done that"? Why aren't you in prison, you deadly criminal, you? Someone call the cops! This ass-hole has smoked weed before and therefore deserves to be locked into a cage!!
     
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    Would you rather I deny it? I went to high school, I went to college... I drank as a minor and tried pot in college. Didn't like it and stopped. I'd much rather drink something tasty that "relaxes" me, rather than inhale smoke that would immediately alter my way of thinking.

    Should it be legal to grow, distribute and sell? No. Should it be a criminal offense to get caught smoking it? No. You don't solve a problem going after the consumer. You go after the producer.

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    Great argument.
     
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    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They've been going after the growers, distributors, and sellers for decades...yet you still managed to get your hands on some. It's almost like that didn't solve the problem at all, eh?
     
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    Everyone knows someone. The pot I came into contact with was never purchased by me. I've never met, to my knowledge, a dealer/pusher of any drugs... I wouldn't go out of my way to try to find one, either.

    That being said... just because it's a difficult thing to do, doesn't mean they should quit doing it. Is it difficult to stop people from killing each other? Yes. Should we stop trying to prevent it from happening? No. I feel the same way about pushers of drugs. It's a war... Maybe it's an endless war, but it's a just war. Keep drugs off the streets.

    In fact, there's probably an easier way to go about fighting this war. Build a fence/wall along the border. Station the National Guard (hell, re-locate bases if need be to save on costs) strategically across the fence/wall. Keep illegals out, keep cartels out, keep anything you deem inappropriate out. It's not that difficult of a solution... Then, perhaps we can focus on getting the Mexican gangs, like MS-13 out of the united states by enforcing our immigration laws.
     
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    Look, you, as a simple college student that didn't know a single drug dealer managed to get access to marijuana. Billions of dollars and countless lives have been expended, and for what? It didn't prevent a single thing.

    A better solution would be to just legalize it. Making it illegal doesn't stop people from using it. It didn't stop you. The only thing that it does is enrich drug cartels at the expense of taxpayers.
     
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    It's the only argument suitable for your silly BS list of ten nonsense facts.
     

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