Legalisation of marijuana yes or no

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by WanRen, Aug 4, 2013.

?

legalization of Marijuana

  1. yes

    79.8%
  2. no

    15.1%
  3. not sure

    5.0%
  1. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    14,039
    Likes Received:
    41
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The legalisation of marijuana is slowly gaining grounds and the accepted arguments for the legalisation have been that it is no different from alcohol, that it is for medicinal purpose, that it help relax users, that it will solve the illegal sale of marijuana from crime organization.

    What is ironic is that while society have been going after tobacco manufactures, curving smoking including restricting smoking that include second hand smoke because according to medical science tobacco smoking including being expose to second hand smoke is dangerous to health.

    While marijuana has its medicinal purposes the people who are expose to it are mostly pleasure smokers and addicts the negative effects of being hooked to marijuana out weighs any medical purpose it is worse to be hooked to marijuana then it is to tobacco.

    History is being ignored, back in the 1800s China fought three wars against Britain over the legalization and sale of opium in China. Britain won all three wars and opium become an accepted consumer product especially in southern China several opium dens were open selling and providing the smoking of opium this resulted in the degradation of the Chinese society in no time China became known as "the sick man of Asia".

    Opium just like marijuana has its medicinal purpose of majority of people who uses it is not for medicinal the medicinal usage is just an excuse to get addicted.

    opium dens5.jpg OPIUM_DEN4.jpg opium dens2.jpg
     
  2. waltky

    waltky Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2009
    Messages:
    30,071
    Likes Received:
    1,204
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    U.S. Pot Growers Competing with Mexican Drug Cartels...
    :eekeyes:
    U.S. Pot Growers Competing with Mexican Drug Cartels, Drug Enforcement Official Says
    August 8, 2013 – A Houston television station reported in May that the legalization of marijuana in some states has created more pot growers in the U.S. – and new competition for Mexican drug cartels.
     
  3. happy fun dude

    happy fun dude New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2010
    Messages:
    10,501
    Likes Received:
    68
    Trophy Points:
    0
    How can prohibition be justified when no realistic reasoning for it is offered? The claim that it is for health and safety is false because for one, we know it to be nearly non-toxic, and secondly, the same politicians allow cigarette manufacturers to purposely lace their cigarettes with potentially fatal toxic poisons, and even an addictive compound to hook people on them, without even having to tell us what is in them. Not to mention the scores of deaths caused by alcohol, pharmaceuticals etc. allowing untested bio-engineering in our food without proper scientific study, hydro-fracking that can poison drinking water supplies etc.

    Obviously health is never a concern. We know the reason is different, and since they won't be straight-forward, it's probably not a good reason. It's probably just the usual political lobbying/bribery.
     
  4. happy fun dude

    happy fun dude New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2010
    Messages:
    10,501
    Likes Received:
    68
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Please can you expand on this? Like in which way(s), how is that quantified, exactly what you mean by "hooked" (such as how much would be smoked), what study(s) it's according to etc.
     
  5. Blasphemer

    Blasphemer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2011
    Messages:
    2,404
    Likes Received:
    53
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Legalisation is debatable, but decriminalisation is a must.
     
  6. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2008
    Messages:
    27,293
    Likes Received:
    4,346
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    IMHO, there should be legalization on the federal level, but allow states to control it as they wish.
     
  7. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Even Sanjay Gupta is coming around.

    Sanjay Gupta: I was wrong about weed
     
  8. sunnyside

    sunnyside Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2008
    Messages:
    4,573
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    48
    I think medicinal use has a place certainly. And general legalization might be...

    Well I guess I'll select "not sure".

    The thing about marijuana is that it seems like in the end it mostly isn't as bad as alcohol and cigs are, and those are legal right?

    On the other hand, both of those are actually pretty nasty. Googling around the CDCs page it looks like they consider alcohol to be responsible for approximately 100,000 deaths per year in the united states, 20k from drunk drivers and 80k from medical consequences of overconsumption. And obviously a lot of nastiness all around that isn't represented by deaths.

    It sounds like marijuana doesn't have as much in the way of medical consequences when taken by adults, however my understanding is that marijuana takes longer for the body to clear than alcohol, so I wouldn't be surprised to see that the numbers due to driving while baked and other stupid stuff might be higher for marijuana than alcohol. That's a lot of death. And ironically it seems like the groups calling for legalization are the ones out to ban weapons responsible for only a handful of deaths a year.
     
  9. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    14,039
    Likes Received:
    41
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Hooked means to be addicted, getting addicted is a step to want a more powerful "drug" such as opium, to heroine, LSD etc. The effects of marijuana medically is pain relieve, it enhance hallucination, depressant, stimulant. If ever it is to be legalise for medical purpose it should fall under prescription drug in tablet or liquid form not in tobacco form the second hand smoke from marijuana can have a negative effects to none smokers.
     
  10. mikebee

    mikebee New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2013
    Messages:
    47
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Well, I have to say that I think Lincoln got it wrong here. He also opposed social equality for the freed slaves. I find that I have an inner compass which I rely on to know right from wrong. And as a benefit I can freely accept the data in natural science without comparing it to an old book out of the Middle East.
     
  11. anomaly

    anomaly Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2013
    Messages:
    2,667
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Has anyone considered the financial benefits that will more than likely accompany the legalization of cannabis? After all the black market is literally raking in millions in revenue each year. It could go a long way in alleviating the American national debt.

    Or we could pay for all the benefits of the folks on welfare and food stamps which would put Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck out of a job and then they too could accept subsidized help but do it guilt free!!!
     
  12. Bow To The Robots

    Bow To The Robots Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2009
    Messages:
    25,855
    Likes Received:
    5,926
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ridiculous that a "free country" puts people in prison for owning a plant...
     
  13. stekim

    stekim New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2004
    Messages:
    22,819
    Likes Received:
    63
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I cannot think of a single reason it should be illegal.
     
  14. patriot43

    patriot43 New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2013
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    It's worse being hooked on weed than cigs? I smoke both. I can't afford weed very often because it's expensive. I've got a series of bad discs in my lower back that started in the Marine Corps over twenty years ago, that's why I smoke it. Because it helps considerably. It doesn't take away pain completely for my specific problem but it helps a lot and doesn't have the side effects that narcotics like Morphine pills do. I recently told the VA to go suck an egg and stopped taking the Morphine because I was so sleepy all the time I could barely function and I'm not constipated all the time with stomach cramps. I'm not going out of my mind because I can't afford it like I wish I could either (addicted as you put it) but let me run out of cigarettes for more than an hour buddy. I'll be scrounging for couch change like a rabid Republican in the Social Security piggy bank so I can get a pack of cigarettes! Don't forget about the fact that cigarette tobacco is sprayed with over 150 different chemicals and marijuana is not. Those who can put cigarettes down and walk away are very lucky people. Most can't. I don't think it's all about will power for the unlucky folks who just can't quit cold turkey and just have the hardest time imaginable with it. Do you remember the tobacco giants way back when who they had up on capital hill to testify before congress? Remember that little song and dance they all did in front of congress? They lied their asses off and it was just swept under the rug. Nothing ever came of it and nobody did anything further with it, it just went away. Amazing! 150 different chemicals and you really think weed is worse than tobacco? Get real man! It isn't natural to put any kind of smoke in your lungs, period. However, weed has far more benefits than cigarettes and would be my choice. There's no way anyone can convince me that weed is worse than cigarettes. So many misconceptions and lies garnished against marijuana to convince the public that it's evil. It's been done purposely. Big drug companies don't want marijuana to be legal. They'd lose profits from many over the counter stuff like headache medicines, muscle rubs, therma-heat patches. It's good for nausea, they lose out on many medicines for nausea. Think about it? Being on the schedule 1 narcotics list! Alcohol is by far the worst drug in this country, in the world for that matter. It's destroyed more people and families than you can shake a stick at and it's not even on that list. It was purposely done in my opinion since about 1971 I think and it's been there ever since. They know it has medicinal value and that's why it's on that list. They even go as far as to say that it's a hallucanigine! That's not true. I've never smoked and witnessed the Care Bears dance through the house. It's a deliberate lie and is demonized for one sole reason. To keep drug companies from losing profits.
     
  15. patriot43

    patriot43 New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2013
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Absolutely man! War on drugs my ass! The CIA has been running drugs forever and a day. It's an opinion but I believe it as fact. So do many others.
     
  16. happy fun dude

    happy fun dude New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2010
    Messages:
    10,501
    Likes Received:
    68
    Trophy Points:
    0
    There's no measure specified for "addicted".. Like how many joints a day vs. cigarrettes per day? What exactly means "worse"? Do you have any actual specific information or argument about weed v. cigarettes?

    - - - Updated - - -

    Unfortunately your leaders don't care about any of that stuff. They just care about what policies will make themselves and their corporate buddies rich.
     
  17. happy fun dude

    happy fun dude New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2010
    Messages:
    10,501
    Likes Received:
    68
    Trophy Points:
    0
    They protect drug cartels as they do a variety of criminal and/or terrorist organizations around the world.

    The CIA are simply the above-the-law USA mafia for whatever crimes need doing.
     
  18. BestViewedWithCable

    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    Messages:
    48,288
    Likes Received:
    6,966
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yeah, thats exactly what American needs to recover... More jobless potheads mooching off the employed.
     
  19. happy fun dude

    happy fun dude New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2010
    Messages:
    10,501
    Likes Received:
    68
    Trophy Points:
    0
    ...and prison companies.. and mercenary companies etc.
     
  20. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Mooching how? Unemployment benefits end after two years in most states.

    Danny Noonan: I planned to go to law school after I graduated, but it looks like my folks won't have enough money to put me through college.
    Judge Smails: Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too.
     
  21. DarkDaimon

    DarkDaimon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2010
    Messages:
    5,546
    Likes Received:
    1,568
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yeah, like those losers Steve Jobs and Sergey Brin.
     
  22. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Damned hippies! :oldman:
     
  23. patriot43

    patriot43 New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2013
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Food stamps don't buy weed.
     
  24. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2013
    Messages:
    25,394
    Likes Received:
    8,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    They don't buy liquor or cigarettes either. However, people do trade them for such items and panhandle for cash to purchase such items.
     
  25. BestViewedWithCable

    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    Messages:
    48,288
    Likes Received:
    6,966
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Just FYI: Steve jobs is dead.

    - - - Updated - - -

    but the lazy will receive free subsidized obamacare, and they have a prescription.....

    so itll be a high on frenzy...
     

Share This Page