Vaccines are not cures. They train the body to fight a particular virus. Virus' eventually adapt them a vaccine and are able to overcome it. The addiction that comes with some marijuana smokers is not caused by the drug. It's caused by the brain chemistry of the person using it. All studies show that there is nothing in mariajuana that can cause addiction, but some people can become addicted to anything, such as sex and gambling, even if it's not inherately addictive in it's own right. All drugs cause damage to the body. Alcohol causes far more damage than pot does, and the legal prescription drugs are some of the worse ones you can take, many of them having side effects that are even worse than what they treat. I was not talking about sailors. I was talking about the United States Navy. For many years, it was Naval policy to only use hemp ropes. No, you are a facist because you think you have the right to dictate what others are allowed to do in their own homes. Cartels exist because drugs are illegal. You are right, they will not die off, as long as any drugs at all are illegal, but the most common drug, and their biggest money maker is pot. If you make pot legal, you take away their biggest source of money, and you take away the biggest source of revenue for street gangs. Marijuana is not just a pain killer. It can be used to treat nausea, loss of appetite, and many other things caused by cancer treatments. It also has been proven to help people with nervous disorders and anxiety. Hemp fuel would be much better than ethanol, in that it would make food prices go down since far more corn would be available to be sold as food Oh and I would like you to name one reason why it should be illegal to smoke weed in one's home, that can not be attributed to anything that is legal, and directly effects YOUR life, other you you just not liking it.
You sniveling children just do not listen (either that, or you're selectively reading my comments)... I've already given you legitimate reasons as to WHY I don't support the legalization of marijuana - my opinion doesn't make me a fascist, it makes me opinionated. So, I'm going to say this one more time and that's all I'm going to say, because obviously you're easily getting confused by my other points (I also emboldened it, so it sticks out a bit better and easier to find): I don't give a crap what you people do in your own home. I'm not worried about what happens under your roof. I care about what effects my family, my friends, my community and my country. Smoke to your little beating heart's desire. I told you that I would support decriminalizing the use of pot, but keep the distribution, production, selling and growing of it illegal. To add onto that, I would leave it to the states. Got it? Get it? Good.
Yeah, I get it. You want to make sure that the drug cartels keep making money hand over fist. That much is quite clear. Either that, or you are the most naive person on the face of the planet (judging by your "Big Wall" idea, this may very well be the case). Oh, and I won't go so far as to say that you're a fascist...but your opinions are fascistic.
And your opinions are juvenile. Talk to me when you have kids of your own. No, I want to keep the cartels out. What's your take on amnesty? Amnesty for all or kick out the illegals? An actual, physical, manned wall/fence along the border would work. It's not a new idea... it's an idea that no one follows through with. The border states (majority of them) want a wall. Let them have a damn wall. Follow through with your promises and build it. If you man it, the cartels and coyotes will have a much more difficult time getting in - that's a fact. Sure, you can laugh and mock cynically at a wall, but it's NEVER been tried here. It's only been talked about, voted for and promised... never has it been built. Actually, Arizona is in the process of building their own fence now. If the states can do it, that's great... the Fed obviously doesn't follow through. Other countries build fences along their borders... why shouldn't we? So go ahead... mock away. What will you say when the simplest and most archaic of all solutions actually works?
Again with your wall...*sigh*...Marijuana grows quite readily in most parts of the US! I've already stated that but it seems to cause you to experience cognitive dissonance so you have ignored it. Let's also forget that Canada has quite the marijuana growing industry as well (gonna' build a wall there too?). Then there are the thousands of miles of coastline in the US....LMAO, and you call my opinions juvenile. That's (*)(*)(*)(*)ing rich. I'm sure you'll take this simply as a personal jab but, quite frankly, you're the one that comes off as juvenile. You haven't taken the time to actually explore the intricacies of the situation. You whine about having to pay for healthcare for drug addicts but then go on to say that billions should be spent feeding and housing people that wouldn't be doing what they were doing if marijuana were simply legalized. On top of that you want to spend billions more by building a wall and increasing spending on law enforcement, as if the billions already wasted just wasn't enough. You can't articulate how someone smoking marijuana harms another human being in any way. You have to come up with far-fetched hypotheticals about what someone might do after they got high because you know the act itself harms you in no way whatsoever. Then you completely ignore the fact that alcohol is much more detrimental to the health of the user than is marijuana or that the alcohol user is much more likely to meet someone with violence than is the user of marijuana.
You're aware we have a Coast Guard and a Navy? You're aware that we have one of the most sophisticated militarys on the planet? You're aware that most of our problems come from Mexico... not Canada? You've really got to be kidding me... I've just debated you for about 3 pages and have done my homework, posting my findings to you... and you're going to tell me I haven't "explored the intricacies of the situation?" Your entire argument is enshrouded in pure want/need/greed of pot. The only thing you've been doing is suggesting I'm a fascist for positing a contrary argument and suggesting my ideas are bad and would never work, in addition to commenting on my knowledge of the issue (your previous post is case in point). Then, you go and put words in my mouth... When in the grand scheme of schemes have I ever said anything resembling: "You whine about having to pay for healthcare for drug addicts but then go on to say that billions should be spent feeding and housing people that wouldn't be doing what they were doing if marijuana were simply legalized?" We already spend billions on law enforcement and the military. I'm suggesting we spread the military around and secure our borders. That's it. Smoke from marijuana has hallucinogens... THAT is the harm that smoking marijuana carries. You smoke in public, you effect others with that drug... just as cigarettes can smell bad, stain clothing and allegedly cause cancer in others (not necessarily proven, but highly researched). Ever hear the term "secondhand smoke?" This is something I have already mentioned... so here I am, reiterating a past point, merely because you can't pay attention during a debate on a forum... where words are typed and saved online, and you can review what's been said, before commenting. Amazing how that works, is it not? In addition to this, I also pointed out what could happen as a side effect. Something else you missed in previous posts... You ignore that alcohol is a completely different drug than marijuana. I don't deny that alcohol can have bad side effects, when abused, but it effects people in very different ways. It's not a hallucinogen, it's a depressant. It makes you tired and when people are tired, they behave differently - some people get angry, some people get giddy, some people behave in much the same way, etc. People, however, do not hallucinate when they drink. Let's say that you get marijuana legalized... Are you open to regulation? You must be 21yrs of age to drink alcohol, you're not allowed to drink in public (in most states), you're not allowed to drink and drive (or have an open container in your car - in many states). Alcohol use is well regulated.
Marijuana should be regulated , age limited and taxed. Just like alcohol. Its use should also be restricted like other types of smoking.
Ask yourself, then why legalized marijuana? You are already attempting to compare marijuana with caffeine that is a clear sign of inconsistency. No we don't, we only lock people who engage in none peaceful activities, can you understand that? Wrong the government make the rules. What rules do you want for the legalization of marijuana? Again you are being inconsistent marijuana is not the same as coca cola or hamburger. Marijuana is not the same as alcohol. Alcohol is well regulated and taxed how much regulation and tax do you want for a legalize marijuana? Remember the initial call for legalization of marijuana is for medical use not recreational or for general usage. I am sticking to the topic and that is do not legalize marijuana for general usage. Legalize only for medical purpose only. So how consistent are you?
If you're talking about pot only, my guess it that there is a much grown on state and federal land in Northern California as comes across the border. In fact, enterprising Mexicans are choosing to grow their pot in the US so they don't have to fight the border wars.
If you had been following along you'd know that I want marijuana legalized because it is morally repugnant to lock peaceful people into cages. They're both drugs, sporty. They both act on the brain. Of course caffeine is physically addictive and can ruin a person's kidneys whereas marijuana is not and does not so it isn't a perfect comparison. Lies. None. You're right, coca-cola and fast food are potentially much more detrimental to someone's physical health. Right, marijuana is not the same as alcohol. Alcohol can have a much more devastating effect on the user than marijuana. I am 100% consistent. People should not be thrown into prison for engaging in peaceful activities. I keep repeating that but you don't seem to be able to comprehend.
He doesn't get it. He refuses to get it. He wants to waste billions of dollars on a fool's errand. Unfortunately, it is my and your money that he wants to spend. He doesn't care. He thinks he not only has a right to other people's money but to their body as well.
No, I get it. You're a selfish person who wants to push your own fantasies on everyone else. Not everyone wants legalized marijuana... Last I checked, this is a Republic, not a Democracy. Wanting drugs off the street is hardly fascism... it's common sense. I know where drugs lead, because I have history on my side. Drugs lead to complacency. They lead to a brain-dead class of citizens. This is my country, too, tomfoolery... I've a right to decide what my money is spent on, just as you are. I would vote for a wall... Maybe you wouldn't. Such a selfish brat. A wall would do more than just prevent the cartels from easily trespassing over our border. It would keep illegals out (which is another big problem we're having here). It would help to keep our children safe from human trafficking along the border states (like Arizona - specifically the city of Phoenix, which is the kidnapping capital of the world, second to Mexico City). The majority of the people support a wall - the problem is that no President ever follows through with building it. I'm surprised you wouldn't support a defensive borders act vs. military operations overseas. It's the most simplistic and common sense solution to our border issue... and you scoff at it, which says quite a bit about your level of open-mindedness and common sense regarding strategic defense. One day, I hope we can realize your dream of this: Panic at Denver pot rally as shots are fired happening all over the country. Boy, I can't wait!
Keep marijuana illegal that way dumbas*es that don't have a clue can delude themselves into thinking they are educating those of us that do!!! Keep marijuana illegal because the drug war is working out so well for us now. Keep marijuana illegal because without the War On Drugs we don't have any other government programs to wast millions of our tax dollars on. Keep marijuana illegal so that dumbas* right wing nut jobs can continue f*cking with other peoples lives and in doing so they can feel better about their sorry pathetic lives. Keep marijuana illegal so that illegal drug lords can continue to make millions tax free each year. Keep marijuana illegal so the CIA can continue to fund their black operations. (oops.. sorry that's heroine and cocaine isn't it!) Keep marijuana illegal so we can continue to cage peaceful American's who just want to relax after busting their as* all day for the rich mans gain. Keep marijuana illegal so that kids who relish doing what their told not to..can continue to. Keep marijuana illegal so the large pharmaceutical companies can continue to treat us with drugs that cause worse side effects than the illness they are trying to treat. Keep marijuana illegal or we as a people will get the silly idea that we are really free. Keep marijuana illegal so that big brother can continue practicing it's nanny state principals. Keep marijuana illegal or the people may just insist that every law designed to protect us from ourselves is bull schit and needs repealing. Keep marijuana illegal so that idiots that don't have a clue can continue to delude themselves into thinking that drug laws are working. Keep marijuana illegal damn it!!!!!!!
He's but one sheriff up against a Mexican cartel. He's received numerous death threats over the years. Arizona is currently building a wall. I'd be content if that were the method undertaken by the other states, so that the Federal Government doesn't need to. Let the states police their borders with the backing of the Federal Government (not that they're backing them now, but eventually they will). I'm looking forward to seeing the effects of this wall finally being built.
Your arrogance is amazing. If it makes someone happy to take drugs and be complacent and they aren't harming you THEN THAT IS THEIR BUSINESS! People only have one life to live and they should be able to live it as they please without worrying about pompous busy-bodies such as yourself thinking they know better than them and who wish to meet them with violence for peaceful actions. As for your absurd wall idea that wouldn't do a damn thing...I'm just tired of hearing about it. It's a bonehead idea that will not keep marijuana out of the US. Get out your crayons, draw up some pictures and send them to your Congressman so that they can pretend to care, because I sure as hell don't/
I love how your one issue of legalizing marijuana is the de facto determination for societal freedom. Support legalization of drugs and you're a libertarian. Don't support it and you're a fascist. That, to me, is the epitome of irrationality.
*sigh* We've already been down this road before... Are you blind in one eye or something? Go ahead and use. That, good sir, is certain. You don't care. You're a careless buffoon who believes that anything should go. I guess millions of people are absurd and boneheaded... despite walls having been used for centuries to keep bad people/things out. Kinda' like walls of a house... Fences in a yard... Probably all just boneheaded ideas that serve little purpose. Arrogant is right. You have a mirror in your bathroom, don't you? Go look at it.
Yeah, go build your wall on the southern border that magically prevents people from growing a plant in the US and Canada. Let us all know how well that works out for you, simple-Simon.
lol, arrogant little brat. Remove the cartels and you remove 75% of the problem. CA is on their own. They're already crumbling from the inside - only a matter of time before they completely collapse. The others on the West coast will follow suit. You'll notice that nearly every state with a destructive government and crumbling economy is pushing for legalization of marijuana. I wonder why that is... Perhaps they've learned from history. That being said... let me know when drug cartels from Canada become a threat.
Call me all the names you want, the bottom line still remains...A WALL ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER WILL NOT STOP A PLANT FROM GROWING INSIDE THE US AND CANADA. This is pretty simple stuff really.
No (*)(*)(*)(*)... But I'm not talking about stopping a plant from growing inside the US or Canada. It's pretty simple to follow a conversation that's typed. Not really sure why you're having such a difficult time.
If you already know that then shut the hell up about your moronic wall in a thread about the legalization of marijuana. If you already know that it will do zilch about marijuana in this country then why are you even talking about it in this thread?
I'm sorry... were we not having a discussion about Mexican Drug Cartels? One of the bases for your arguments is that legalizing marijuana will ease the drug war, because the cartels would lose one of their products to the free market. No longer would an underground market be necessary. I'm trying to argue for limiting exposure to those cartels without having to legalize marijuana. Get it? You also neglect the fact that the Cartels have other businesses, such as human trafficking and other drugs.
Ah so its not the drug that is the problem its the Cartels. There I agree with you. So legalise and you remove the problem because the acrtels are out of business. far more marijuan comes down from Canada than up from Mexico. The main business of Mexican drug cartels is Cocaine and then Heroine
