A Third Party Would Rock!

Isn't it about time anyway? This will help everyone. Republicans who don't want to associate with birthers and Tea Partiers benefit. The Democrats can marginalize the Tea Party further. The Tea Party has the weight of old RINOs off their backs.

 

I listened to an interview with an author of a book that spells out the problems with the two party system. I was fascinated, but forgot to look it up.

 

I think a 3rd party would be great, that way the Democrats would have less to worry about! Hahahaha! Seriously, think about it. If the current GOP breaks down into 2 seperate parties like the old GOP and the new Tea-Party/Libertarian, neather of those parties will be as big or as strong as they are together. In a Democracy, the numbers count, so if they become 2 parties and can't work together, they rob numbers from each other! They have always only been united by a single thing, fighting President Obama, so that didn't work out so good in the last election. LOL!

There is no way to get a majority in either the House or the Senate if they are divided, and that would let the Democrats get back to work at fixxing the nations's peoblems!

 

not all libertarians are Tea Party as a matter of fact no one I hang with is.

 

Never heard of Coalitions like they have in parliamentary politics, huh?

 

A third party is needed in part because we align ourselves on one side or the other on issues, as if we're supposed to tow the line on every issue. A third party would bring together people from both parties that are tired of the same old crap in DC. They could be united under that banner alone.

 

We have other parties, just none of them make enough of an impact because most partisan voters are afraid to take the first step.

 

I think eliminating parties would be better . Let people run on their policies.

 

You and George Washington would've been tight.

 

And who wins? The Democrats. Because you have now successfully further employed the ongoing left wing strategy of divide and conquer. You've sliced the right's power in half guaranteeing nothing but left wing rule for a long time to come. Was it worth it?

Two things:

1) You worship the president too much (probably because he's black and you feel guilty that you're white - let's be honest here).

2) I don't think you actually understand what destroying America looks like.

 

The other parties don't have the base of the Tea Party, recent polls notwithstanding. During the 2012 election, I was excited about all the support and gains Romney made among independents. It turns out a lot of the independents were just former Republicans, like me, who said they'd vote for Romney. I believe the split would go: 33% Democrat, 20% Republican and 20% Tea Party - as it stands right now. The Democrats aren't going anywhere. They're mindless robots and perfectly segmented and categorized neatly into demographics suitable for the Democrat purpose. Republicans and the Tea Party would have to fight in out for that 35% the GOP used to enjoy.

 

I am a strong believer in the need for people to opt for a Third Party when they feel the choices are ObamNey.
Problem: People want to vote for a winner, not their faith. The band wagon effect.

Americans Elect was a great hope for a real third party last cycle.
Then they shot themselves in the foot.
It makes me wonder if they were true or a ruse to corral voters back to voting for Obama.
Americans Elect promoters should truly be ashamed of themselves. I hope there is a special place in Hell for them.
They siphoned so much energy for a Third Party, acquired access to all State ballots then did not deliver
leaving their volunteers and supporters and our hopes in a trash heap.
I find this an avenue for duplicitous, insincere people to have pulled this off. It only helped Obama the Crooked.


Moi

 

In its RP beginnings, before the TEA party was taken over by partisans, it had much appeal, much promise. Now all I see is much hypocrisy, sad to say.

 

I can see that not all Tea Partiers would be libertarians, but I find it hard to imagine that not all libertarians wouldn't be Tea Partiers. Since the Tea Party issues are primarily fiscal and size of government issues, I'm not clear what sort of "libertarian" would be on the other side of that.

 

Indeed, the political sabotage had been so significant, that Liberals couldn't believe when I linked them to the reality of the two differing tea parties. It's a shame, the very last movement for the Republic died without much of a fight. I had believed that if the American People stood for the Republic, I would gladly be a citizen of the Republic. But they didn't, and henceforth I'm a Nationalist, centralizing the government through populism as to secure the people's rights.

 

Based on what has transpired the past few years, I would hope to think both Democratic and Republican voters would be completely RELIEVED to have a viable 3rd party option. Lets look at the facts:

Bush:
1) Lied about Iraq and probably lied about 9/11 (Need I say anything about this?)
2) Medicare Part D (Expanded entitlement spending)
3) Was complacent in Cutting interest rates after 9/11 (Complacency in the financial crisis, expanding debt crisis)
4) Cut taxes and borrowed money from China to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
5) No Child Left Behind

None of these thing are Conservative, they are all Big Government Things.

Obama:
1) Expanded the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq (After firmly criticizing them)
2) Passed ObamaCare (Which actually forces his constituency into the PRIVATE insurance system, they would have like to have single payer, most of them)
3) Uses IRS, NSA, and other governmental agencies to attack political opponents (something that the Republican President Nixon did, and was impeached for)
4) Raised taxes on lower and middle classes while lowering the burden on High income earners

None of these things really match up with Liberal ideals.. Obama talks like he is "one of the crowd" but takes action almost identically to Bush, who talked conservative, but expanded government.

We all need to be real with ourselves. We need politicians who will do what they say they will do. Plain and simple. If we keep electing people who say one thing and do another, then the party, the ideology, or what is promised makes absolutely no difference. If democrats are going to play "party politics" and elect who ever the democratic party sends to them, then they will lose their moral high-ground crutch they prop themselves on so often. It then comes to voting for the party and not for what the party stands for.

A third party would be a breath of fresh air personally.

 

Well, the hardest hurdle that Libertarians have in terms of "Politics" is that, at the core of the Libertarian ideal is individualism. A "party" is something that the founding fathers actually despised the idea of, but couldn't imagine a functional democracy without them. So not that Libertarians are against political parties, but Libertarians tend to be "purists" which mean that unless there is some real consistency in a party or candidate, they will become discouraged against supporting such factions.

The Tea Party is an offspring of the Libertarian movement, but co-opted by the Republican party, which is dominated by NeoCons. The TeaParty candidates in the Senate and House are already being criticized by many Libertarians based on their positions on certain things. But obviously, those like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are probably the best Libertarian minded Republicans anyone could ask for at this point. Honestly, the Democrats should really like these guys, not because it means democrats can win elections, but because they stand up against the Republican NeoCons that the Democrats have been criticizing for years.

 

Nearly all progress in America has resulted from progressive leadership.

It sounds like you are proposing a less-extreme conservative party.

 

Great idea...unfortunately, it's tough to combat millions and millions of unsourced dollars coming for anywhere, and you have to have millions and millions to even be able to show up. Our SCOTUS recently guaranteed that much.

 

The Tea Party is simply an extension of the regular old, hard core GOP. Never been anything different, and never will be. It's merely a GOP failed strategy and nothing more. Slightly different odor....same turd.

 

Do you do stand-up comedy too? This post was hilarious.

 

Don't you already have a 'third party', and possibly others?

Your position is noble enough, but fatally flawed by naivety.

First question.

How would this party be funded?

Because in this absurd virtual democracy system that you have, the first barrier to democracy is that they need access to a fortune to run a campaign. Let alone win one. That is the thing with a virtual reality democracy that is really a plutocracy. Because OF the system, third parties are disadvantaged before they start. Esp if they start from the position of wanting to do good things for all the people, rather than just some.

Because then the big funders will simply not back you, not that you want their money anyway, because if you accept even a dime of it, they own you from the get go.

 

It is more the existing parties steal their issues, lure people in thinking they will be addressing the issue, don't address the issue but blame the other side for nothing getting done, and the third party loses its momentum among moderates who were drawn to it. It is how the democrats gutted the environmental movement but now blame the evil conservatives for not doing anything about AGW. When the democrats had both houses and the Presidency, they did nothing about AGW and a whole host of other issues they blame the GOP for obstructing.

 

I used to think as you do, until I realized something.

After reading Mark Levin's "Liberty Amendments", I realized that party's have nothing to do with the dysfunction in Washington. Simply put, the system is a post-Constitutional entity. What needs to happen are state legislators rising up and amending the Constitution to restrict the power of the federal government and restoring the Constitution to pre-progressive era standards. The Amendments put forth at the turn of the 20th century need to be nixed. For starters, we need term limits. We need a Congressional body that fights to make the lives of ordinary citizens good because they are one of them, and not an elitist establishment that is allowed to opt out of Obamacare and have lavish retirement packages. What we need are true government servants who go about Congressional duties as one might go about jury duty.

Until this happens things only get worse.

 

Sadly, this. And add to it, the election campaigning rules. In light of the media blackout of third parties(which has long been historic in the most pathetic political state in the world), it's nearly impossible to get coverage. And third parties need at least 15% of a vote to participate in debates.

So yeah, they're virtually sealed out and the only way(which is incomprehensible to a true third partier) is for compromise(see: Tea Party).

A Political Solution is increasingly difficult, a violent solution is impossible. So the only way, save a renaissance in this pitiful country is an economic collapse.
The old saying goes "It gets worse before it gets better".