We Need Leadership, An Honest Conversation, Not a Verbal Hate Fest

I was in Wal Mart yesterday and the new 35 years of Clint Eastwood DVD Collection were all in the $5 Bin ... I couldn't help but to chuckle ...

 

Well, perhaps during the past several years, had the Senate not slammed the door to every Republican request concerning the ACA we wouldn't even be discussing this issue, but they did. Obama even made changes to law himself rather than have those debated in Congress, why do you suppose he did that? Simple. At this point the details of the ACA are off the table for discussion. We are just being told to accept it, period. Problem is, MANY people still don't know what they are being asked to comply with although it's their HC that's being affected. Nothing good will come of that. Nothing.

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So, were you able to use your EBT card to get a few?

 

Give me an example of bad behavior on the Democrat side. The Democrats are not arguing amongst themselves and refusing to pay the bills unless they get stronger gun control laws or any number of Democratic pet legislation. If you have an example of how the Democrats are acting badly currently, I would be interested in hearing it.
That's not to say the Democrats haven't acted badly in the past. Both parties have their past sins. I voted Republican for the most part all of my adult life until the far right wing started taking over the party. The moderates on both sides are the most reasonable members of congress. The Democrats just happen to have more moderates than the Republicans do.

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Give me an example of bad behavior on the Democrat side. The Democrats are not arguing amongst themselves and refusing to pay the bills unless they get stronger gun control laws or any number of Democratic pet legislation. If you have an example of how the Democrats are acting badly currently, I would be interested in hearing it.
That's not to say the Democrats haven't acted badly in the past. Both parties have their past sins. I voted Republican for the most part all of my adult life until the far right wing started taking over the party. The moderates on both sides are the most reasonable members of congress. The Democrats just happen to have more moderates than the Republicans do.

 

The Dems bad behavior in FORCING this ill conceived ACA through with bribes and threats led DIRECTLY to this situation.

If I walk up to you and punch you in the face and then a week later you come back to fight me and I say "hey, I was minding my own business, HE is behaving badly, not me" that won't fly.

I say again, YOU are part of the problem. This whole "my side is not doing anything wrong" crap, is just that. Crap.

 

This isn't about ObamaCare, it's about the naked ambition for power.
Obamacare is the law, it's in effect, and the only way to repeal it is to get the House, the Senate and the President to agree, that's not going to happen.
Not now, not next year, not in 2015 or 2017 or the 21st century.
This is about the Teaparty showboating, thinking they will convince the middle to vote for them in 2014, because they hate Obama so much, they actually think that this whole mess of a shutdown makes sense

 

I duuno way2......It takes two to tango.

 

The AHCA was passed legally and it doesn't matter if you like the law or not. I don't like that we have laxed gun control laws or that gay marriages are not federally recognized. I don't like that the new health care law involves the insurance companies. I would rather have universal health care. None of us get everything we want. Obamacare is the law of the land. Either learn to deal with it or go through the proper processes to change it. If the will of the people don't give you what you want, then learn to live with it or move. The Republicans shut down the government because they were trying to force their will on the people. They are not trying to compromise, they want Obamacare to end and they are willing to wreck the economy in the process. It won't end well for the GOP.

 

lol Oh please. The Republicans took the new health care law to SCOTUS and it was upheld. There is nothing else the Republicans can do about it. The AHCA was not forced on anybody. It was passed by due process the same way all laws are passed. This situation is caused by cry babies that think they should be able to get their way or else. It's like when my kids where young and they wanted a toy at the store. I would say no, they would throw themselves on the ground kicking and screaming. Sometimes, when they wanted something bad enough, they would even hold their breath and threaten to run away from home. The Tea Party branch of the Republican party is no different. There are still some reasonable Republicans, but they will sadly pay for how the bratty ones are acting.

Additionally, the ill conceived health care act was originally a Republican idea.

 

That's the old way, Reagan and the GOP decided that we didn't need taxes to spend money.

 

That is not what Chief Justice Robers said in his ruling. The argument was that the mandate violated the interstate commerce clause of the Constitution since health care is not interstate commerce. One side sait healt hcare was interstate commerce and one side said it did not. Both used the mandate under ACA to make their claim.

 

LOL.....yeah......and in the real world, the ACA followed exactly the steps required by the U.S. Constitution- the House voted for it, the Senate voted for it and the President signed it into law.

Then a lawsuit was filed against the ACA and the Supreme Court ruled that it was Constitutional. While I do not always agree with Chief Justice Roberts, I believe his interpretation of the Constitution over yours.

ACA is the law, its been found Constitutional and some people just can't stand that.

 

That is irrelevant. Stalin executed anyone who disagreed with him. You proclaimed that you expect fealty from all republicans and you execute them on line. Roberts was a great Chief Justice according to the right until he disagree with you just once. Now he is dirt to you.

 

What part of the Senate voting down legislation proposed by the House in regards to ACA is any different than every other time that the Senate has voted down legislation proposed by the House- we have a Bicameral system- if the House proposes a law- or to rescind a law- and the Senate votes now- then its over. The Republicans don't have the votes to rescind the ACA, legislatively so they are trying to use this as an end run.

I think this will end badly for the GOP- not the GOP legislators in the House- frankly most of them have good gerrymandered safe seats( to be fair- so do the Democrats)- but nationally, this is going to bite the GOP in the ass.

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Yep- just like anyone else who disagrees with them- lets not forget Colin Powell- once the future great white hope of the Republican Party- or Chris Christie- who dared ride in a helicopter with Obama.

 

Of course it isn't going to work. Blanket health care isn't an option if it is still a for mega-profit enterprise. If it isn't regulated it will without mechanisms in place go off the charts cost wise (as it already is), and if it is over regulated the quality will be drastically impaired. There is no simple solution, which is why it is getting harder and harder to take the just raise taxes, or just shut the government down, mentality seriously. Extremism isn't the answer, and for the moment the two party scam is all about the extremism without any rational resolutions/compromises that point to a realistic goal. It's all or nothing, and with that failure is all that will come of it.

I know it is hard to swallow for some but overtaxing at this stage of the game will only make matters worse. This isn't 1939, and we are not starting from scratch, yet, but if the irresponsible reckless spending continues we are well on our way to total economic devastation, and their is no war we can wage that will ever be enough to pull us back up again.

 

The Dread Pirate Roberts is like many USSC Justices. He 'grew' in office, bending to the DC press, throwing away the ideology he was credited with. There's a long list of similar scumbags. Kennedy is close to a cave on every decision. Souter and Stevens went to the dark side pretty quick and pretty dependably. No leftwad appointed Justices in my lifetime have ever gone the other way.

Nobody disagreed with Stalin. Stalin executed anyone that carried out his plans and had the Stalin plan fail.

 

If that was the actual steps taken I would have no problem with the way it was passed, but that is the most fantastic bit of rewriting history if I ever heard it.

It's legal because the best government corporate money can buy says it is. As long as the people allow themselves to be railroaded like that, it will continue, and get worse as it goes.

 

There never was anything that was/is more of a political football....ever

 

Maybe, but it has been coming for years.
Good article here:

http://www.businessweek.com/article...ote-to-reopen-the-government?campaign_id=yhoo

John Boehner could get out of this mess today. As House speaker, he can bring any bill he pleases to the floor. Like any bill, a continuing resolution to fund the government without gutting Obamacare would need 218 votes to pass. This morning Bloomberg News reports that at least 13 Republicans would vote for such a bill in defiance of the party’s right wing. Add Boehner and the House’s 201 Democrats, and the nation is just two votes shy of reopening the Lincoln Memorial.

Boehner is not doing this because we’re not watching a fight between Democrats and Republicans. It’s not even, really, a fight between the Tea Party caucus and the rest of the Republican party. The government shutdown is the real consequence of three decades spent trying to answer a metaphysical question: What is a party? John Boehner is stuck with an understanding of party discipline that may no longer be relevant—or even good for the Republican Party.

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Right, if this was passed in the early 90's by Clinton, the R's would slobber all over themselves on what they accomplished.

 

Thought so.

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Wrong. They don't HATE Obama, they Hate Obamacare. The problem you have is you can't separate the two.

 

Well, I know one side who waiting to talk, so whose missing?

 

Nice rant, but your wrong. The House, at least in the current context, isn't trying to eliminate Obamacare, they are simply asking to delay implementation for a year, just the same as Obama has already done to several provisions of the law. Does he hate the law too?

 

...No. When you have a republican minority leader who will literally say that their primary goal is removing the sitting president, this is hard to take seriously.

 

Keep telling yourself that

 

Seems like I destroyed your 'greater context'.

 

Translation: The Republican Party showed up for negotiations and nobody on the Left could be bothered. Yep, that does seem to reflect reality.