When your 11 year old has psychological issues; seek out an "unbiased" homosexual

You have attacked me on every post I did, then IGNORE all the answers I give and the links which prove you wrong.

Then you whine because I refused to simply capitulate to your argument, and instead stuck to the truth that the SPLC lied about the FRC, the 59 year old grand mother, and the Singing Nuns.

 

I'm sorry, have you defined what a hate group is? Because if you haven't, and you reject my definition, then there's no (*)(*)(*)(*)ing way to tell if the FRC is a hate group because there's no definition of a hate group that we can agree on for the sake of this discussion. And I didn't ignore your links. In fact, for the most part, I offered refutations or asked for you to clarify your point (which you never did). Do you even read my posts? Do you understand why, if you can't tell me what a hate group is, there is no way to know whether or not the FRC is one?

I'm sorry, see, this is why I can't take you seriously. Link me the page on the SPLC website where they refer to the Singing Nuns as a hate group. I looked pretty hard, and I did not find it. Maybe you can find it. Maybe Google is just being a bit of a twit to me. But by all accounts, this is not only wrong, but I did a damn precise job of showing you that it was wrong. At this point, I'm mostly debating you for the sense of intellectual superiority, but with how you're acting, it's like feeling superior to Patrick Star, which loses its appeal eventually.

 

Read my posts for the answers. BTW Nice of you to ignore all the evidence I posted proving you wrong time and time and time again.

AGAIN you fail.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2995854/posts

http://www.splcreport.com/?gclid=CLeApK_D4rkCFUQ6QgodC0QA8A

Not my fault that you didn't bother to LOOK for what you 'said' you couldn't find.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...he_Southern_Poverty_Law_Center_as_hate_groups

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/us-hate-groups-top-1000

http://www.splcenter.org/search/apachesolr_search/individual hate reports

http://www.splcenter.org/search/apachesolr_search/individual domestic terrorist

"I'm sorry, see? This is why 'I' can't take 'you' seriously."

BTW thanks for ignoring all the evidence I posted proving you wrong yet again. But I bet instead of reading my posts for the answers I provided and you maliciously IGNORED, you'll keep asking the same crap over and over and over again to try to find another way to personally attack me.

But then 'this" is why 'you' are so good at 'describing yourself'.

 

Gimme a post number. Give me a post number where you provide a clear definition of "hate group" and I will admit I was wrong. Because I don't see it. Or, you know, just give me a definition. I don't know how this is such a sticking point. I really don't. You think my definition of "hate group" is not good (yet don't say why)... Okay, then what's a hate group to you?

...But neither of those reports document the SPLC claiming that the singing nuns are a hate group. In fact, they're exactly what you already showed me. This should be really easy if it actually happened. Give me the SPLC page where the singing nuns are listed as a hate group. Don't go to secondary sources, don't wait on Free Republic to tell you that it happened, go straight to the primary source. Given how good Google is and the fact that the SPLC waves its banner loud and proud, it should be a snap to find the page. So go do that. Because neither of those pages actually link to the SPLC article that declares the singing nuns a hate group. As previously documented, it doesn't exist - it's merely a gigantic distraction.

Yeah, see, here we go again - neither "singing" nor "nun" shows up on this list. Doesn't really support your claim. I don't know what it's going to take before you understand that the sources who told you that the SPLC considers the "singing nuns" a hate group are lying to you. The parent organization is cited for antisemitism (with debatable rationale, admittedly), but claiming that that means that the SPLC calls the singing nuns a hate group is like claiming that they call the boy scouts a hate group because a local charter is sponsored by the KKK.

You literally do not understand the counterarguments I make, do you?

Here's a list of points you have not yet addressed:
- None of the articles you have listed provide any sort of primary source to the claim that the SPLC calls the singing nuns a hate group (which should be easy, because they list all their hate groups on their homepage)
- You have provided no adequate definition for "hate group" and when asked about it you first ignored the question, then claimed "I've already said it" (you didn't - if you do, link me the post and I will admit I was wrong)
- You offer absolutely no elaboration as to why the SPLC is wrong, you just link to classifications of theirs as if I should see them and instantly see, "wow, these guys are crazy", and I'm sorry, that's just not happening. What, exactly, is wrong with the SPLC sites you are constantly linking me?
- You offer absolutely no reason for why my definition of hate group is inadequate
- You offer absolutely no reason for why the FRC should not be shunned on its own merits, regardless of whether or not you want to call it a hate group.

Which honestly covers every argument you claim I "ignored" and then some. Are you trying to project your strategy of "ignore all counterarguments" onto me? Because anyone with half a brain can see that that's not what's going on...

 

You left out (actually IGNORED) all the SPLC Links proving you wrong. Tell me are you desperate 'much'? (But do keep posting those personal attacks because every word out of your mouth, in fact ...describes YOU!)_

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/us-hate-groups-top-1000

http://www.splcenter.org/search/apachesolr_search/individual hate reports

http://www.splcenter.org/search/apachesolr_search/individual domestic terrorist

You are so 'funny' to think I wouldn't repost the links that you CHOSE TO IGNORE and which once again prove you wrong.

So much for taking 'you' seriously!

"Because anyone with 'half a brain' can see that's what's going on..."

Nice of you to describe yourself 'yet' again. So are you going to keep calling the SPLC which in fact lists BOTH the grandmother and the singing nuns Liars? LOL!

 

I haven't really been paying much attention to this particular debate, but I'm confused by something. Google has this neat feature where you can search a particular website for a phrase. But there are no occurrences of "Singing Nuns" on "http://www.splcenter.org".

https://www.google.com/search?as_q=...q=singing+nuns+site:http://www.splcenter.org/

Searching for any website that has the phrases "http://www.splcenter.org/" and "Singing Nuns" yields only a few results, one of which is this very thread from this website.

https://www.google.com/search?as_q=...&lr=&q=singing+nuns+http://www.splcenter.org/
You provided several links, but I didn't find references to Singing Nuns. What are we supposed to see on those links?

 

The fact is that the SPLC had the Singing Nuns aka (their actual convent) Mount St Michael aka Tridentine Catholic Church on their hate crimes list since 2006.

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2013/mar/09/hate-groups-watchdog-has-mount-st-michael-on-list/

So WHY is a "CONVENT" listed a Hate Group again?

As to your 'google search', you didn't do the 'right search'. Just putting 'singing nuns' ......instead of putting Singing Nuns added to hate crimes list doesn't pull up 'much'.

Let's ... 'try' again.

https://www.google.com/#q=Singing+Nuns+added+to+SPLC+hate+crimes+list

 

next time, might I suggest using lmgtfy.com

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Singing+Nuns+added+to+SPLC+hate+crimes+list

 

LOL! I hear you!

 

Let try again debrarae- link us to the page on the SPLC where the sining nuns are listed as a hate group. I can't find it. All you have linked us to are goofy wacko websites so far.

 

Another nice try, but LYING personal attack.

BTW it's the SINGING NUNS

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2013/mar/09/hate-groups-watchdog-has-mount-st-michael-on-list/

And their convent has been listed as a hate group since 2006 by the SPLC

Wow, calling the SPLC a 'goofy wacko website' shows your desperation, and your total lack of credibility.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/us-hate-groups-top-1000

http://www.splcenter.org/search/apachesolr_search/individual hate reports

http://www.splcenter.org/search/apachesolr_search/individual domestic terrorist

Once again .......here is the 'correct' search engine that proves that the Singing Nuns aka (their actual convent) Mount St Michael aka Tridentine Catholic Church has been on the SPLC Hate crimes list since 2006.

Now let's 'try this once again' ..for those democrats who are LYING and saying that the SPLC LINKS I correctly provided are a 'goofy wacko website' again ..........WHY is a "CONVENT" listed as a HATE GROUP?

Given the links that I provided that have proven you and the other Democrats wrong on this site time and time again ......so much for 'your' input.

 

Thanks for the clarification. For your reference, I didn't just search for "singing nuns". The search was for any occurance of "singing nuns" on the SPLC website, which didn't turn up anything... apparently because that's not the name that the group goes by. Rather, it's Mount St Michael, thanks for the clerification.

Here's a better link, at least it shows the name of the congregation http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map#s=WA

I saw this on their site, as their reason for adding to the list:

So they are accused of anti-semitism. So are you saying this is some sort of liberal conspiracy that is directed towards this particular group? Why would they be targeted more than anyone else? Could they be guilty?

More importantly, what does this have to do with the thread?

 

what it has to do with this thread is how the gay agenda has a history of falsely labeling groups as "hate groups" That way, in debates such as this one, the gay agendites can say any group that dares to come out and openly speak out against gays (like Chic-fil-a), pro-gays can say "they support hate groups" when in truth, it's groups like the Singing Nuns and FCA/FCS.


you see, it's a political move meant to trick the good intentioned, yet least educated about the issue. If pro-gays came out against Chick-fil-a and said..... "let's boycott CFA because they donate to groups like Fellowship of Christian Athletes/Students" they won't get much support. But if they come out and simply say "let's boycott CFA because they donate to hate-groups" because they got the SPLC to include FCA/FCS or the singing nuns" it all of a sudden, sounds a whole lot worse than it really is.

if a well-intentioned person were to see the two options... they would not care if CFA donated to FCS. But the same well-intentioned person would NOT support CFA if they donated to "hate-groups"


SPLC simply adds any group that doesn't support gay marraige to the list to make it sound worse than it really is.

 

Who's calling Chic fil A a hate group? It was one guy with an opinion. And he never, to my knowledge discriminated in providing services or employment. There was a boycott, but it backfired so badly that it's more like free advertising for CFA than a real boycott. I bet he's glad that he was boycotted because his sales went up. Don't be overdramatic.

 

And I waited in a huge line to purchase a tasty milk shake on that day

 

I've had dealings with this group (and others of different faiths) on occasion and the fact is, there is not one shred of proof that this entity the SInging Nuns or their convent are in fact Jew Haters.

But then it's not the first time that the SPLC lied about a group or a grand mother to get them on a 'hate list'.

BTW I am Jewish, and work from time to time with Interfaith organizations from Christian to Muslim to promote peaceful 'dealings' to help the homeless, and indigent.

(Btw For those who have a problem with Muslims ...only the nation of Islam has refused to work with us. The shiets (sorry I don't know how to spell it), and the Shiks (which I also don't know how to spell the name) have never had a problem with working with any interfaith organization.)))

 

no, they were claiming they were boycotting Chic-fil-a because they supported "hate groups" When the hate-groups turned out to be nothing more than FCS/FCA

But pro-gays classify anyone who speaks out against gay marraige as a hate group.

Beyond that, calm down, I'm on your side. lol.


It was a complete backfire because conservatives got educated about the tactics of the pro-gay movement on this case. Mitt Romney calling for a CFA appreciation day also brought the issue to light.

The techniques the pro-gays are using are straight from the Propaganda 101 how to booklet and they prey on those too naive to understand what tactics are being used. And it's always the well intentioned people that fall for the techniques.


The pro-gay never technically lied. They got groups added to the "hate-group" list that they created, so they could say "CFA supports hate groups" because that gets more of a reaction from naive well-doers than saying "CFA supports FCA/FCS"

Noone thinks FCA is a hate group. But that doesn't stop propagandists from adding them to the list if it helps their cause

 

Why do supposed straight people worry so much about gay people? Why are they so threatened by gay people? How "straight" are you if you are thinking about gay people all day long??

 

So then explain why so many straight guys need to do anal sex with women? Is oral with women terrible to do? And if you like a finger up your butt it doesn't make you gay. Ask some of your male friends, they are doing it all the time. Does pleasuring yourself make you gay since it's only you that's touching yourself? Think about that one straighty...

 

Even many gays don't say that people are necessarily 'born' that way. But to suggest that one's sexual-orientation can be altered, is BS.

They don't even know exactly why people are gay/straight (not yet).

 

on this we agree

 

Care to elaborate on these links? Look, I'll even link them myself:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/us-hate-groups-top-1000

http://www.splcenter.org/search/apachesolr_search/individual hate reports

http://www.splcenter.org/search/apachesolr_search/individual domestic terrorist

Wow, there's so much there that instinctively indicates that the SPLC is lying!

...Oh wait. No there isn't. You haven't actually demonstrated that they're wrong in anything they've said, you've just pointed to it and said, "Wow, look at these loonies", much like any sane person would point to the modern republican party. And I'm just not seeing it. I'm sorry, but no matter how many times you offer these exact same links (you'd think that after the second time I point this out, you'd get it), I don't see how this proves that the SPLC is some disgusting nasty group of liars. And I've completely lost track of what this has to do with the topic.

You still haven't defined hate group, or linked to the post where you defined hate group, leaving me to deduce that your claim that you had previously defined "hate group" was a dirty lie. Because you haven't defined it. Nowhere in this entire thread, in none of your posts, have you provided a definition.

"I'm becoming aware
That I'm staring,
I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped
In the blinding headlights of vacuous crap.
Maybe it's the Hamlet she just mis-quothed
Or the sixth glass of wine I just quaffed
But my diplomacy dike groans
And the ******** held back by its stones
Can be held back no more"
-Minchin

You know, quite literally the only way that links to the SPLC could contain a definition of hate group is if you're going by their definition of hate group. So... Are you going by the SPLC's definition of "hate group"?

Finally, you're being honest. The SPLC does not have the Singing Nuns on their list. They have their convent on the list, and as previously pointed out (several times) this has to do with Mount St. Michael having a fairly extreme anti-semitic bend. But whether or not the singing nuns in and of themselves are a hate group is an entirely different discussion. As previously pointed out, it's like saying that the SPLC (hypothetically) counts the Boy Scouts as a hate group because they call the KKK a hate group and the KKK sponsors certain Boy Scout groups. This makes approximately zero sense.

Well, to take it from the SPLC:

These questions do have answers, you know...

Well I'm sorry, but those search terms are (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid. I could make a website dedicated to lying about the SPLC, and then google that claim, and find my site on it. The reason our searches contained the term "site:splcenter.org" was because that limited the search to the SPLC website, and thus to primary sources. Obviously, if you want to find out whether or not the SPLC considers a group a hate group, you shouldn't listen to random right-wing bull(*)(*)(*)(*) sites, you should listen to the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing SPLC. And the SPLC doesn't list the singing nuns as a hate group. It liests Mount St. Michael as a hate group. And that is a difference that anyone should be able to understand.

 

Actually you're wrong - some young children who expressed signs of gender identity confusion during childhood had them just disappear completely on their own after they passed through adolescence

But I guess they should just start pumping them full of lab-created hormones and set them up to have their genitals mutilated at age 13 (which has been done in Germany) instead

 

I agree with you, at least up to the point. Some move past it. Some don't. Some fair well with support and psychological treatment. Different people wish for different degrees of adapting to their desired gender. No situation is the same, and caution is in order before making any drastic decisions. The most important thing to do is to give the person a tolerant atmosphere, not to judge or belittle, and let them adjust where they are happiest, not to force anything on anyone.