Ireland: Israeli products marked with yellow sticker

Would you go to Church of Scientology's website to learn all the bad things they have been involved in??? LOLOLOL

 

I have no interest in Scientology...

 

Margot I blame the Muslim leaders because the families of these suicide bombers are given money according to how many Israelis they kill. Of course it's despair, these kids are losing their mothers and are being told to be proud of it. I am sure if given a chance, these mothers would willingly sell their land to some Israeli and immigrate elsewhere. So where then is the despair coming from, is it from the Israelis or from their own leaders?

Russia is showing itself as being very smart, especially with the extremism from Saudi Arabia entering the Caucasus. It recently passed a law that a terrorists family and relatives will have to pay for any damages they inflict on others.

 

Rewarding suicide bombers' families???

Big lie from the Israelis... Every family that has suffered a loss at the hands of the Israelis is compensated.. or was. If they killed your parents, or destroyed your home or confiscated your land, you were compensated.

 

So in your mind no one should have gone anywhere to establish a better life for themselves, and that everyone in the world should have stayed put. Well then why pray tell why did Mohamed leave Saudi Arabia? Oh that's right I forgot, it was not for his imperialist ambitions, it was to impose his religion on all his conquered 'dhimmi'.

Anyway I suggest you think about what you said about imperialist ambitions the next time you decide to go to a store instead of picking up your spear.

 

Muhammed never left Saudi Arabia.

 

Not at the expense of the ppl already living there and tilling the land for 1,000's of years previously, especially in the manner in which they did, primarily talking of apartheid SA.

As for your spear remark, not sure what point youre trying to make there

 

IMO - Its simple -minded Simpletons who more often as not arrive at simple conclusions. (wink)

Now let's for a while ignore/put aside "websites" and see if we can understand how todays more knowledgeable Muslim women see Aisha.

imo - If Aisha was abused as a child , its unlikely she'd have said what she did about Muhamed



Get this :
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The truth about Muhammad and Aisha

Innocence(ignorance ) of Muslims repeated the claim Muhammad was a paedophile, but the story is more complex and interesting than that
by Myriam Francois-Cerrah - theguardian.com, Monday 17 September 2012

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"Writing about Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, the Orientalist scholar W Montgomery Watt wrote: "Of all the world's great men, none has been so much maligned as Muhammad." His quote seems all the more poignant in light of the Islamophobic film Innocence of Muslims, which has sparked riots from Yemen to Libya and which, among other slanders, depicts Muhammad as a paedophile.

This claim is a recurring one among critics of Islam, so its foundation deserves close scrutiny.

Critics allege that Aisha was just six years old when she was betrothed to Muhammad, himself in his 50s, and only nine when the marriage was consummated. They base this on a saying attributed to Aisha herself (Sahih Bukhari volume 5, book 58, number 234), and the debate on this issue is further complicated by the fact that some Muslims believe this to be a historically accurate account. Although most Muslims would not consider marrying off their nine-year-old daughters, those who accept this saying argue that since the Qur'an states that marriage is void unless entered into by consenting adults, Aisha must have entered puberty early.

They point out that, in seventh-century Arabia, adulthood was defined as the onset of puberty. (This much is true, and was also the case in Europe: five centuries after Muhammad's marriage to Aisha, 33-year-old King John of England married 12-year-old Isabella of Angoulême.) Interestingly, of the many criticisms of Muhammad made at the time by his opponents, none focused on Aisha's age at marriage.

According to this perspective, Aisha may have been young, but she was not younger than was the norm at the time. Other Muslims doubt the very idea that Aisha was six at the time of marriage, referring to historians who have questioned the reliability of Aisha's age as given in the saying. In a society without a birth registry and where people did not celebrate birthdays, most people estimated their own age and that of others. Aisha would have been no different.

What's more, Aisha had already been engaged to someone else before she married Muhammad, suggesting she had already been mature enough by the standards of her society to consider marriage for a while. It seems difficult to reconcile this with her being six.

In addition, some modern Muslim scholars have more recently cast doubt on the veracity of the saying, or hadith, used to assert Aisha's young age. In Islam, the hadith literature (sayings of the prophet) is considered secondary to the Qur'an. While the Qur'an is considered to be the verbatim word of God, the hadiths were transmitted over time through a rigorous but not infallible methodology. Taking all known accounts and records of Aisha's age at marriage, estimates of her age range from nine to 19.

Because of this, it is impossible to know with any certainty how old Aisha was. What we do know is what the Qur'an says about marriage: that it is valid only between consenting adults, and that a woman has the right to choose her own spouse. As the living embodiment of Islam, Muhammad's actions reflect the Qur'an's teachings on marriage, even if the actions of some Muslim regimes and individuals do not.

Sadly, in many countries, the imperatives motivating the marriage of young girls are typically economic. In others, they are political. The fact that Iran and Saudi Arabia have both sought to use the saying concerning Aisha's age as a justification for lowering the legal age of marriage tells us a great deal about the patriarchal and oppressive nature of those regimes, and nothing about Muhammad, or the essential nature of Islam. The stridency of those who lend credence to these literalist interpretations by concurring with their warped view of Islam does not help those Muslims who seek to challenge these aberrations.

The Islamophobic depiction of Muhammad's marriage to Aisha as motivated by misplaced desire fits within a broader Orientalist depiction of Muhammad as a philanderer. This idea dates back to the crusades. According to the academic Kecia Ali: "Accusations of lust and sensuality were a regular feature of medieval attacks on the prophet's character and, by extension, on the authenticity of Islam."

Since the early Christians heralded Christ as a model of celibate virtue, Muhammad – who had married several times – was deemed to be driven by sinful lust. This portrayal ignored the fact that before his marriage to Aisha, Muhammad had been married to Khadija, a powerful businesswoman 15 years his senior, for 25 years. When she died, he was devastated and friends encouraged him to remarry. A female acquaintance suggested Aisha, a bright and vivacious character.

Aisha's union would also have cemented Muhammad's longstanding friendship with her father, Abu Bakr. As was the tradition in Arabia (and still is in some parts of the world today), marriage typically served a social and political function – a way of uniting tribes, resolving feuds, caring for widows and orphans, and generally strengthening bonds in a highly unstable and changing political environment. Of the women Muhammad married, the majority were widows. To consider the marriages of the prophet outside of these calculations is profoundly ahistorical.

What the records are clear on is that Muhammad and Aisha had a loving and egalitarian relationship, which set the standard for reciprocity, tenderness and respect enjoined by the Qur'an. Insights into their relationship, such as the fact they liked to drink out of the same cup or race one another, are indicative of a deep connection which belies any misrepresentation of their relationship.

To paint Aisha as a victim is completely at odds with her persona. She was certainly no wallflower. During a controversial battle in Muslim history, she emerged riding a camel to lead the troops. She was known for her assertive temperament and mischievous sense of humour – with Muhammad sometimes bearing the brunt of the jokes. During his lifetime, he established her authority by telling Muslims to consult her in his absence; after his death, she went to be become one of the most prolific and distinguished scholars of her time.

A stateswoman, scholar, mufti, and judge, Aisha combined spirituality, activism and knowledge and remains a role model for many Muslim women today. The gulf between her true legacy and her depiction in Islamophobic materials is not merely historically inaccurate, it is an insult to the memory of a pioneering woman.
Those who manipulate her story to justify the abuse of young girls, and those who manipulate it in order to depict Islam as a religion that legitimises such abuse have more in common than they think. Both demonstrate a disregard for what we know about the times in which Muhammad lived, and for the affirmation of female autonomy which her story illustrates.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/sep/17/muhammad-aisha-truth

tata......

Frankly , I cant believe Aisha was a victim of sexual abuse as a child since she played such an important political role in later life and her deep love for Muhamed.


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People forget to condemn the PLO and HAMAS which clearly tells is citizens" to exterminate the Jews and ignore the legality of Israel as a State that even exists, while dragging out a pretend discussion about Land for Peace.
That they attacked Israel with armies and lost as they vowed to destroy Israel and had they won, take Israel's land seems way fair so far.

They gambled.
They are POOR LOSERS.

By all fairness, they should have lost their right to any State or Land, since that was the terms of their invasions of Israel.

 

What invasions of Israel?

 

We invented the Boycott and have a long history of employing it, people should know what they are supporting when they purchase a product whether it is oranges produced by a SA apartheid regime or dates by an expansionist Israeli regime.

 

I'm going to play the devil's advocate here. It's unusual for children to remember anything at that young an age, so it's probably not true.

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This is true in many other areas of the world as well.

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This is according to current Western standards of what constitutes mistreatment. The discipline that was common in Western societies and Britain especially one hundred years ago, would be considered mistreatment today. This doesn't mean our current society is perfect, since we are seeing the results of our current leniency and how it brings on greater suffering in their teen years and early twenties.

Most of this rape probably occurred after marriage rather than before...if true that is.

Is this abuse occurring in children before the age of puberty, or afterwards? More than likely it is afterwards. One of the reasons women cover up and are separated from men is for protection.

You are looking at things from our own standards. If the girl was mature for her age, then it would have been culturally acceptable almost everywhere in the world. Also children were being married among royalty at the age of three and sent to live with their in laws, this doesn't mean the marriage would have been consummated before a proper age.

As for marrying off one's daughter at a young age and to an older man, it depended on how well off he was. If younger men could not afford to get married and support a wife and family, and you couldn't afford to give a substantial dowry, then who would you give your daughter to?

 

Tell that to the Jews who ceaselessly accuse anyone who criticize Israel as "anti-Semite" and getting their info from "stormfront" --- LOL


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The BDS movement is composed of nothing more than neo-Nazi Jew hating Hamas sympathizers, if their motivation was not the hatred of Jews then they would be supporting boycotts of actual apartheid states; such as, Saudi Arabia and Iran rather than Israel whose nearly 30% Arab population enjoys more freedoms, opportunities, and higher standards of living than anywhere in the Arab world.

 

Provide the quote from the Koran stating that. There are no Hadiths which place the age of consummation of the marriage at 19 or any age other 9 years old, your source is simply bull(*)(*)(*)(*) and lies, the assertion that Aisha did not know her own age is simply (*)(*)(*)(*)ing laughable.

 

Except that child marriage and pedophilia is perfectly legal in the KSA so spare us the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing propaganda.

Saudi girl, eight, married off to 58-year-old is denied divorce

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/dec/23/saudi-arabia-human-rights

Having sex with an 8 year old is rape by any standards as an 8 year old is incapable of consent but in Saudi Arabia having sex with 8 year olds is perfectly legal so long as they are married first.

 

You should have read the Arab newspapers.. they were horrified and angry.. Letters to the editor also came pouring in...

 

Hold the front page.

Never mind war, famine and disease, we have a Yellow Sticker Genocide on apples.

 

The Jews BOUGHT the initial lands that formed Israel from the people who had title to those properties.

Then the PLO with Egypt, Iraq, Syria, and others attacked that State and lost by the grace of God.
Fairness would dictate taking all their land that was left, those people who had tried to steal land from them, and kill them.

The Jews have patiently waited 70 years, and still offered to let those LOSERS back into a State of their own, while they have sown hate to their kids, bombed Jewish school buses, released rockets in to civilian areas of Israel.
Time is up.

The Jews ought take all of historical Israel back and force those people into Egypt, while the Muslims are so much against each other now everywhere.

 

"There is confusion in Saudi Arabia over the fundamental question of what constitutes adulthood," said Clarisa Bencomo of Human Rights Watch. "There is also vast judicial discretion."

The case appears to fit a pattern of divorced fathers using their children to take revenge against their ex-wives. Mothers usually only have custody while the children are young.

Relatives said the marriage had not been consummated and that the girl was still living with her mother. They said that the father had set a verbal condition by which the marriage was not to be consummated until the girl turns 18 - although it was unclear how this could be enforced. The father agreed to marry off his daughter for a dowry of 30,000 riyals (£5,400) as he was facing financial problems.

Bencomo dismissed the idea that the girl would be able to file for divorce once she reached puberty since there was no standard definition of this. In addition, Saudi judges often insist that even adult women speak to them through a male guardian or lawyer.

 

lol your source provides biographical notes written centuries after the fact, provide the Hadith stating that Aisha was any age other than 9 at the consummation of the marriage.

 

yellow, blue, black, who cares.

products made in the settlements should be marked for boycott.

 

She was born before the Call.

 

I would think most ppl would agree that the palestinians are generally seen as Arabs, lets not nit pick here.

 

Oh the relatives of the pedophile said that well then it must be true.

Sorry sport child marriage and pedophilia is perfectly legal in Saudi Arabia and it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

"It is incorrect to say that it's not permitted to marry off girls who are 15 and younger," Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Sheikh, the kingdom's grand mufti, said in remarks quoted Wednesday in the regional Al-Hayat newspaper. "A girl aged 10 or 12 can be married. Those who think she's too young are wrong and they are being unfair to her."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/17/saudi.child.marriage/

Tell us sport, what is the age of consent in Saudi Arabia?