Oswald did it, Conspiracy theorists in denial and cannot accept it

let's have some fun here..

JFK's wounds. Here's a great analysis of the Kennedy wounds, in excruciating detail including doctor's accounts, drawings, photos, findings from studies. This guys went conspiracy by conspiracy and destroyed all of them by actually setting forth facts, evidence and thorough explanations by experts.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/medical.htm


a few points worth highlighting:

'Although the Parkland staff did a highly competent job of treating Kennedy and Connally, their statements about the nature of the wounds were confused, contradictory, and often mistaken. Of course, conspiracy authors have had a field day with them, claiming that the back of Kennedy’s head was blasted out, and that the bullet wound in Kennedy’s neck was one of entrance.'

'And example of how conspiracy books use evidence selectively can be found in an account written on the day of the assassination by Dr. Marion "Pepper" Jenkins. The account says the wound was "occipital" and that "cerebellum" protruded from the wound. Both of these statements imply that the back of the head was blown out. Yet the account says the wound was to the "right side of the head" and that it was "temporal" (which means the side of the head). Guess which statements conspiracy books tell their readers about, and which they withhold?'

'Dr. Robert Grossman has testified to being in Trauma Room One at Parkland Hospital during the futile attempt to save John Kennedy. A respected neurosurgeon, he certainly seems like the sort of witness one could rely on. Unfortunately, his testimony is problematic in many ways, as David Lifton argues in "Dr. Robert Grossman—Phantom of Trauma Room One." http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/grossman.htm'

'Conspiracy books describe the Dallas doctors as being absolutely sure that the wound in Kennedy’s throat was an entrance wound. What they usually omit is the fact that the doctors who actually saw the wound speculated that it was an exit wound from a fragment from the head shot. They also imply that ER personnel can easily tell whether a wound is an entrance wound or an exit wound. This essay (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/wound4.txt) consists of two parts. The first documents the speculations of the Dallas doctors about the wound, and the second is a passage from the JAMA describing a careful study of the ability of ER personnel to make judgments about the forensic aspects of wounds.'


'Like Wecht, John Lattimer was one of the first people to see the autopsy photos and x-rays. LATERAL.GIF (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/lateral.gif) is his drawing of the damage to Kennedy’s head. Compare it to the drawings in books by authors like Groden and Livingstone'

'The nature of Kennedy’s head wound has been a matter of continuing controversy. ANGEL1.GIF (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/angel1.gif), ANGEL2.GIF (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/angel2.gif), and ANGEL3.GIF (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/angel3.gif) are the report Dr. Lawrence Angel, a forensic anthropologist of the Smithsonian Institution, submitted to the HSCA. Particularly interesting is Angel’s drawing of the damage shown in the photos and x-rays in ANGEL3.GIF.'

'HEAD.JPG (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/head.jpg) is the famous photograph of the inside of Kennedy’s skull, with the brain removed. Conspiracy books usually print it rotated 90 degrees. Here it is right side up. Compare this photo to ANGEL3.GIF (above). '

'The Harper Fragment was a piece of bone discovered in Dealey Plaza the day after the assassination. A Dallas doctor (A. B. Cairns) identified it as occipital bone from a human skull. Further, conspiracy books claim the fragment was found behind the location of the limo at the moment Kennedy’s head exploded. If these claims are correct, that means the back of Kennedy’s head was blown out, which would imply both a shooter in front of Kennedy and fakery in the autopsy photos and x-rays. But what does the evidence show on these points?' http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/harper.htm

'See for yourself what the Zapruder film shows. Of course, conspiracy buffs are increasingly insisting that the Zapruder film has been tampered with (this is after 30 years of insisting that it is ironclad evidence of conspiracy). Then, you might ask, how do the Dealey Plaza witnesses describe the head wound. Take a look at how Zapruder described the wound to Jay Watson of WFAA-TV shortly after the assassination (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/zap.gif), and read how the wound was described by Marilyn Sitzman (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sitzman.txt), who was standing next to Zapruder.'

'The image at right is one of the X-rays of John Kennedy taken at the Bethesda autopsy. It’s the "AP" (anterior-posterior) image of the head. Click on the image to see a larger version.(http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/apxray.jpg) This X-ray is extremely controversial, as is the corresponding lateral view of the skull. It’s supposed to show fakery of the autopsy photographs, and thus a conspiracy to kill Kennedy. It is puzzling if you don’t know how to read X-rays. But when people who do know how to read X-rays examine the films, they yield a clear picture of the wound, as explained in this essay by Joe Durnavich.' (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/xray/)

'Key Concept: Beveling. When a bullet penetrates the skull bone, it will leave a small hole on the side from which it enters, and a larger dished-out crater on the side that it exits. The existence of beveling of the bone of Kennedy’s skull allowed the autopsists — and later panels of forensic pathologists — to establish that the bullet that hit Kennedy in the head entered from behind, with at least one large fragment exiting toward the front. See JFK Exhibit F-61, from the House Select Committee on Assassinations.'

forged autopsy allegations:
'Of course, the House Select Committee had already thoroughly examined the "forgery" issue. It commissioned the nation’s top experts to examine the autopsy materials for fakery, and here is their report.'(http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/autopsy2.txt)

'Of course, if the autopsy photos and x-rays are faked, just how many people would have to be implicated in doing — and lying about — the fakery? This essay by Joel Grant discusses the history of this issue.' (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/fakeda.txt)

'The autopsy doctors, have always accepted the photos and x-rays as genuine. In early 1967 all three autopsists (Humes, Boswell, and Finck) examined these materials at the National Archives. Their report authenticates the photos and x-rays as genuine.' (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/hbf.txt)

'For several years, no independent experts had access to the photos and x-rays from Kennedy’s autopsy. In the late 60s, Attorney General Ramsey Clark appointed a panel of forensic pathologists to examine these materials. Here is their report' (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/clark.txt)

'Conspiracy books describe, based on a very selective use of Dr. Finck’s testimony in the Clay Shaw trial, an autopsy in which shadowy sinister military figures prevented a proper autopsy. The House Selected Committee did a thorough investigation of the conduct of the autopsy, based on interviews with virtually all the participants. See just why such a poor job was done. An added bonus: that receipt for a "missile" is explained' (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/autopsy3.txt)

 

so you have no evidence then?

 

why do these guys post links to Youtube videos when we ask for evidence?

evidence is photos, interviews, video of actual events, etc.


NOT bias paranoid Youtube videos.

 

What would 'evidence' equate to? The responsible factions admitting and saying "Yup...we did it"? So, unless they admit it, then it didn't happen. Gotcha.

 

Actually, that doesn't work either. I've already brought up people like E. Howard Hunt and they just label them as crazy. There is no getting through to them. If from the very beginning, these people looked at the evidence and knew nothing about what the government has been brainwashing them with, they'd realize that the most simple explanation for everything is a conspiracy. No magic bullet and no "unreliable" doctors. Cognitive dissonance.

 

Your argument that he never actually said he saw the back of his head is a like a child having his or her finger up to someone's face and saying, "I'm not touching you." As mentioned earlier, you won't accept anything as evidence, not even a full confession. Cognitive dissonance.

 

No one has given a 'full confession',so what's your beef?

 

Cognitive dissonance? what about you? You ignore all of the evidence which doesn't suit you, including official reports and autopsy.

i know you won't bother but check this link out, (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/medical.htm)this person took the time to look into the Warren Comminsion's findings, the house select commitee on assassinations findings, what the doctors said, what the autopsy revealed and even takes on conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory. The best part is that he provides links to actual autopsy photos, physcian sketches, documents, findings and focused on the head wounds.

These doctors made several inaccurate accounts, this is well known. Jenkins claimed there was a wound on Kennedy's left side, then later changed his stance and claimed he never said it. Dr. Perry said that he thought neck wound was an entry wound but then admitted that he didn't even bother to check the back! how credible is this guy? and Jenkins? THis highlights the fact that these guys were focusing on saving his life and didn't do a good job assessing the nature of the wounds... The autopsy doctors were the ones who were tasked with analyzing the woulds and determining what happened but of course, you guys claim they were in with the conspiracy right? There is a reason that autopsies are performed, cause doctors in trauma rooms serve another purpose - saving lives; once person is dead, they leave the room and don't care about anything else.

 

The circumstances surrounding the autopsy are such a joke, it's not even worth arguing about. Since when is it ok to kidnap the president's body and have a doctor who had never performed a ballistic autopsy do the autopsy? And since when is it ok for the doctor to burn all of his initial notes? And since when is it ok for military generals and admirals to be in the room giving orders?

 

The president was just shot.....you really have to ask those asinine questions?

 

The circumstances surrounding the autopsy proves the conspiracy.

 

You do the exact thing you accuse others of.

 

WRONG, i take into account everything but time and time again, conspiracy theories are proven to be based on inconsistencies and not hard evidence. ANYONE who takes the time to analyse all sides, all facts will come to same conclusion - THERE IS NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE OF A CONSPIRACY and there is A LOT of HARD AND CIRCUMSTATIAL EVIDENCE pointing Oswald. In 50 years you conspiracy theorsists have implicated 40+ groups, 80+ assassins and over 100 people yet ZERO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE has been uncovered, ZERO. FACT

 

yeah, right.. when there is hard evidence that you don't accept, you discredit it with UNFOUNDED theories of a cover up. There were MANY people present during the autopsy and if you do your homework, you will find out that this was an honest, valid autopsy and no cover up involved. You guys claim the Warren commission was flawed and that the House select committe of assassination's findings were valid right? WELL THEY ALSO CONCLUSED AUTOPSY WAS VALID and had experts thorougly examine the autopsy photos and concluded there was cover up; they looked at this carefully.

We hear the same old foolish stuff from you guys - Documents showing rifle was owned by Oswald? FAKED. Oswald's finger prints on rifle, PLANTED. Picture of Oswald holding rifle? FAKE. Eye witnesse who saw Oswald take in a large package into depository the day before? COERCED INTO SAYING IT. Oswald's wife's claims that Oswald once tried to assassinate Genereal Walker? SHE WAS FORCED TO SAY THIS. Eye witnesses who pointed Oswald out as shooter of Tippet? THEATENED, COERCED. Autopsy doctors and the many people present during autopsy? UNDER MILITARY CONTROL, WHO WERE IN THE CONSPIRACY.

The Dallas police, FBI, CIA, military, Lyndon Johnson...THEYE WERE IN IT! they framed poor innocent Oswald, covered it all up and in 50years no evidence has been uncovered to prove it. What fantasy hollywood movie world do you guys live in? Do you realize that JFK was a very powerful man who was more loved that hated? with his brother as Attourney general? with friends in CIA, FBI, Military? yet, everyone wanted him dead? and cover it up? The conspiracies have hit a dead end time and time again but you guys continue moving forward because in the end, you cannot and will not accept that one loser like Oswald could've done it. This is too random, too boring and depressing for you guys...

 

Mike this is the way I read what you write. You dismiss the Oswald theory when there is no credible evidence that Oswald did it. He did not even get his day in court. The lone gunman magic bullet theory is the goofiest of all the theories and you refuse to look at the evidence.

 

Do you deny that the medical staff at Parkland Hospital claim that the back of Kennedy's head was blown out? That is some hard evidence. They made that claim on November 22, 1963 and they maintained that claim all their lives.

 

Dr. Clark stated under oath before Congress that he didn't know how many injuries JFK had or from which angle they came.

He also stated under oath that he believed that the larger wound was not an entry wound, but tangential.

 

That was an honest question Ron. You are supposed to try and answer questions if you can not just dodge them. Ronstar, do you deny that the medical staff at Parkland Hospital claim that the back of Kennedy's head was blown out?

Ron we have already been over this. The autopsy was not Dr. Clark's duty to perform. Dr. Clark testified that he examined

Tangential means that the bullet hit JFK's head on a tangent. Do you know tangent means? Dr. Clark specifically testified under oath that the wound in the back of Kennedy's head was an exit wound. Read the entire testimony. >>>MOD EDIT: INSULT<<<

 

that is 100% false.

he said it could be an exit wound but he believed it was tangential.

he also stated under oath that he didn't know how many injuries JFK had or what angle they came from.

 

what was "magic" about the bullet?

 

How come you don't answer my questions?

The magic bullet theory is what Oswald lone gunman theorists believe hit Kennedy in the back and then hit John Connally. That theory has many problems one of which is John Connally is doing just fine for a time after Kennedy is hit. John Connally would have reacted to being hit by that bullet if it were a fact, but he didn't.

 

lol!!!!

are you saying Connely wasn't shot???????

 

I posted the link to Dr. Clark's testimony. Everyone who can read English can read it for themselves. Claiming it is false is just silly. Next time you claim it is false use ALL CAPS AND BOLD!!! Maybe that will keep others from reading Dr. Clark's testimony for themselves.

Claiming the wound was a tangential wound not an exit wound indicates that you don't know what a tangent is. Claiming that the medical team at Parkland hospital did not describe the exit wound in the back of Kennedy's head is really disrespectful to them. They were a high class bunch of medical experts who did everything they could to help President Kennedy. They deserve respect.

 

Yes, I don't even think there was a Connely in the car. John Connally was shot but not by the bullet that went into Kennedy's back.

 

well, that's pretty stupid as the trajectory from JFK's neck to Connally fits perfectly.

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They didn't perform an autopsy.

The autopsy investigates and determines the cause of death.

Do you know the difference between an autosopy and an attempt to save someone's life?