Oswald did it, Conspiracy theorists in denial and cannot accept it

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  1. Brother Jonathan

    Brother Jonathan Banned

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    There is everything to address. Operation Mockingbird is control of information by the CIA. It is worse than the NSA.
     
  2. Jango

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    http://nsarchive.chadwyck.com/marketing/fj/displayItemId.do?ItemID=FJ00001
    http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/89801/DOC_0001451843.pdf
    http://washington.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/06/26/project-mockingbird/
    http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...1_cia-declassification-review-information-act
    http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/local/cia-report-on-project-mockingbird/295/
    (I know, a YouTube video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZWJNUHOGhU
    https://archive.org/stream/finalreportofsel01unit/finalreportofsel01unit_djvu.txt
    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...r-john-deutch-unique-and-special-cia-director
    http://www.nytimes.com/1996/05/23/w...s-to-prevent-use-of-journalists-as-spies.html
    https://archive.org/details/ciasuseofjournal00unit
    http://articles.latimes.com/1996-03-06/local/me-43501_1_cia-spy
    http://www.cnn.com/US/Newsbriefs/9602/02-22/pm.html
    http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1996/D...-as-Spies/id-c949a3832c2ae0bb21c969d01f7c0758
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...masked-as-US-declassifies-WWII-spy-files.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/10/us/austin-goodrich-spy-who-posed-as-journalist-dies-at-87.html
    http://partners.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-media.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/24/w...to-plant-bay-of-pigs-news-document-shows.html
    http://research.archives.gov/description/7283275

    I took a little bit of time to find all of that. There is evidence.
     
  3. Mike12

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    it has absolutely nothing to do with the Kennedy assassination, devoid of any evidence. How does operation Mockingbird prove that Oswald's finger prints were planted; his photo of him holding rifle fabricated; that witnesses were threatened and coerced; that the autopsy results were faked; that documents showing Oswald owned the gun were fabricated;that the single bullet theory is impossible;that Oswald couldn't have made those shots;that bullets fragments belonging to another gun were hidden;that Ruby worked for CIA, LBJ or mafia;that Oswald didn't kill Tippet;that the rifle used was replaced with a carcano rifle that belonged to Oswald and all the other gazillion fantastic claims you guys have made?

    IT PROVES NOTHING, isn't even relevant.. Is that it guys? have you reached a dead end? Throwing operation mockingbird as if it proves ANYTHING is telling me you guys have lost all common sense and logical reasoning.
     
  4. Brother Jonathan

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    The debunkers are getting desperate.
     
  5. Mike12

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    i just destroyed your op mockingbird claims.

    Now why don't you and jango actually start producing evidence? You haven't been able to do it and neither have all the frauds like Mark Lane in a 50 year span.
     
  6. Mike12

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    Here's an interview with Oswald's own brother:

    his own brother, who knew him well, seems to be totally convinced Oswald was guilty
     
  7. nastimarvasti

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    And his mistress Judyth Vary Baker is totally convinced that Oswald was innocent. I know, I know. She's a nut who is making it all up even though she has been totally consistent in her claims which is amazing for a liar.
     
  8. nastimarvasti

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    Well, you seem to base all your "facts" on what you have heard on TV rather than doing your own common sense thinking. You seem to think everything in the media is factual. And no it's not evidence but it's awfully fishy. Operation Mockingbird is there to influence the media in the most dire situations. What situation is more dire than a coup d'etat?
     
  9. Jango

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    I provided undefeatable sources for the C.I.A.s influence with the media, journalists and Operation Mockingbird. I said nothing of its affect on the Kennedy assassination: that's your limpwristed delusion.
     
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    who needs evidence when you can just keep on spamming the forum with links to "The Men Who Killed Kennedy", 300 times?

    ;)
     
  11. Mike12

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    we are to compare his mistress to his brother? lol did his mistress know him from childhood? did his mistress go talk to him after the assassination attempt?

    Oswald acted very suspiciously and his wife and brother noticed it. Here was a man accused of killing the president and he was just worried about his daughter's shoes, didn't really deny what he had done when talking to his brother.. Just think to yourselves, if Obama gets assassinated tomorrow and one of you gets wrongfully arrested and accused of the murder, what would you be telling your family right after arrest? I DIDN'T DO IT, TRUST ME! I DIDN'T DO IT! over and over and over again... There was guilt all over his face after arrest and knowing him well, his brother was totally convinced.
     
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    Sorry, but if a guy is a CIA operative, he's not going to do those things you say. He will keep his mouth shut until told otherwise.
     
  13. nastimarvasti

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    He claims are not taken seriously by anybody.

    She claims that she was working on cancer cures in High School.

    She claims at the age of 15 she was recruited into the CIA bioweapons program.

    At the age of 20, just months after getting married she and LHO started an affair, while they were smuggling bioweapons into Cuba.

    And of course the virus bioweapon she was working on to infect Castro with was then released among the general public of the United States, we now call it AIDS.

    This gal is a first-class nutcase, trying to use the fact that she worked with LHO for a few months at a coffee plant as a way to gain money. Her own publisher withdrew her book because her credibility was completely destroyed by her own friends and family.

    And you actually take her seriously? Now I know exactly how seriously to take any of your claims.
     
  15. nastimarvasti

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    There is absolutely no (zero, zip, zilch, nada) evidence that she was his mistress, or even that they knew each other beyond passing acquaintance.

    And as a final piece of evidence, the only person who actually claims that he had seen them out on dates in public together is David Lewis.

    David Lewis was such a liar that even District Attorney Jim Garrison refused to use any of his statements, considering him a complete fraud.

    Now when you have a nutcase, who's only eyewitness is rejected by a Conspiracy Theory believer, who much credibility does she have?
     
  17. nastimarvasti

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    Do you have evidence that she's a nutcase? After all, evidence is your thing, right? I certainly can't prove anything either but I'm open to it since she seems quite lucid in her interviews. Her friends and family discrediting her means very little. They could have been threatened too. Who knows? Plus, Jack Ruby always claimed he was injected with cancer. This doesn't seem all that far fetched.
     
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    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/science_fair.htm

    God, how about doing even a little research into somebody before proclaiming her as some kind of credible source, eh?

    This is known as "vetting your sources", obviously something you have absolutely no experience at I can see.

    Here, check this out, how believeable does it sound?

    http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbakerJ.htm

    And trust me, nobody with any credibility takes her seriously.

    Oh, and BTW, another Kennedy Conspiracy believer, Vincent Bugliosi (of Helter Skelter fame) also rejected her claims, calling them a complete hoax.

    And here you are, believing sources that even 2 Conspiracy Theorists think has no credibility?

    So please, give us any hard evidence to confirm her story. Because nobody else believes her.
     
  19. Quantumhead

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    Oh, stop just making things up. Your argument doesn't stand up to even half a second's scrutiny. I've looked at the evidence, which is why I'm not prepared to believe things which are contrary to the evidence. By telling me my mind is closed, you are effectively implying that I have made up my mind first, and am refusing to acknowledge the evidence which contradicts me. It is obviously the precise opposite of that, because I have looked at the evidence, and that is how I know that what you are suggesting is untrue to the point that is outright stupid. You began your thread with an ad hominem attack, and you solidified your own dishonesty by claiming your video above proves it is "probable" that a single bullet, flying through the open air, caused seven different wounds spread between two different people. Not only is that flatly absurd, but it contradicts a stack of other evidence, including the eye-witness testimony of the surviving victim.

    In sum, you're being repugnantly dishonest and -- as is typical with people of your nature -- are accusing me of what it is you are doing yourself.
     
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    Um...you do realize that Bugliosi DOESN'T believe in the conspiracy, right? Considering he wrote a 1600 page book about it.

    Look, I already said I don't know if she's telling the truth or not. But I'm open to it. And I certainly don't think that ALL the people who have come out about this subject are full of **** like you do. Check out the David Morales quotes I posted a few posts ago. Would love to read your "debunking".
     
  21. Mike12

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    David Morales was a crook who made wild claims all along like 'We took care of that SOB' referring to JFK and even once stated 'I was in Dallas when we got that SOB and i was in LA when we got that little bastard'. There is a reason his comments are not taken seriously as he was a shady person (everyone knows this) and no evidence whatsoever has ever been uncovered to prove that he was indeed in Dallas and LA and that he was involved. This is what you conspiracy nuts do ALL DAY LONG... you have no evidence, you have no proof; the facts and evidence are overwhelmingly against you so you latch onto comments likese these and the comments of a senile Hunt and use it as powerful evidence.

    autopsy, finger prints, rifle belonging to Oswald.. this is HARD EVIDENCE. Witnesses seeing Oswald taking a large package he claimed to be curtain rods to the building the morning of; witnesses identifying him in police lineup; witnesses seeing him at the depository during killing; the fact that he suspicisouly left right after the killing when everyone else stayed; the fact that he had a gun and raced into a theatre with no ticket, later drawing his gun at arresting officer;Marina Oswald's claims that Oswald tried to kill General Walker once; the fact that all bullets and fragments were traced to his rifle alone... This is ALL evidence against Oswald but what do you guys do? IT'S ALL FABRICATED, all lies and he was a patsy and use old senile Hunt's 'confession' that no-one lent credence too and shady David morales claims...

    Alll you need is for a nut to say stuff like this and it's PROOF, this is how shallow you guys are.
     
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    The conspiracies you claim are Obvious are no such thing.

    You simply have a religious belief in such thoeries which you have faith in.

    It requires faith like you have because no evidence proves them
     
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    Actually it is YOU who has it backwards and he is correct it starts with gullibel people LIKE YOU being in denial and staying in denial.

    First of the facts prove there was one and only one shooter which was Oswald you and all the other conspiracy teorists deny that fact which is supported by MOUNTAINS of evidence in contradiction of what you believe which has NO supporting evidence.

    Second of all the facts and evidence PROVES that the official story of 911 is correct. This you are also in denial of. There is NO line up of professional scientists saying it is not. There are in fact a small number of discredited wanna be scientists and laymen in denial of facts as you are. Gage collected a handful of engineers and architects not 2000, the rest of the names he colleced were laymen like me. ( my name is on his list which I joined to prove he screened or vetted NO ONE for aulifications. )

    The evidence proves that the single bullet caused those wounds and in fact the probability is 50/50

    - - - Updated - - -

    The vested interest is ratings the fact is that there is no such conspiracy controlling the media to get them to state FACTS which prove you wrong.
     
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    PBS is not run by the government and like all conspiracy nuts you do not KNOW WHAT the gtovernment said you just deny any such information in knee jerk reaction.

    An intelligent person studies BOTH sides. You ignore one and gullibly believe the other proving you lack intelligence
     
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    Yes and all of it is irrelevant.
    Howard Hunt is one of over twenty people who have been fingered as the other hit men.

    No evidence links him to the assassination. No evideence links the mob either
     
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