Oswald did it, Conspiracy theorists in denial and cannot accept it

That is simply false no one has ever proven the autopsy a fraud.

All the members of the commission saw all of the evidence including the autopsy photos. They were in fact published in the report.

 

No you don't look at things with an open mind because you only see what you want to see and get up in arms when people expose you. That photo you have posted has been examined by thousands of people and analyzed thoroughly by experts but what do you do? You discredit everyone involved in the Warren Commissiopn and HSCA, two completely independant investigations with the latter even being critical of the former. We show you long list of evidence and what do you do? you claim it's all planted, fabricated and what not; you call this open minded? You are closed minded and never even want to consider Oswald acted alone, this is impossible. Do you know why i don't believe in a conspiracy? because i have come across too many of them, implicating over 40 different groups, 80 different assassins and over 100 people and often contradicting each other. For instance, you guys will harp on the two gunmen theory and then suddenly jump to a 1 gunman theory but claiming the rifle used was replaced for Oswald's rifle. You argue that one photo shows a huge wound on the back (even though it's consistent with a shot from the back) but then fail to show any pics showing an entry wound on the opposite side (Kennedy's front left) and proceed to talk about a frontal shot from grassy knoll, which wouldn't possibly be able to cause the type of wound you think you see. You guys claim we are naive for believing in the government and the many people involved in the investigations (including chief justice of supreme court) but then proceed to believe in any profit making book author or filmmaker. You guys tell us that the CIA cannot be trusted yet use second hand accounts of what David Morales once said or what a senile Hunt once said. You guys are a walking contradiction and have failed to come up with any credible evidence in 50 years.

I am open to a conspiracy but rarely do i come across a conspiracy theorist who articulates his point intelligently and who is also open to Oswald being lone shooter. I cannot rule out a conspiracy myself but too much evidence points to Oswald being the shooter. This has passed the test of time and been subject to several investigations.. Lastly, i don't believe everything government says, that would be naive, but i don't want to believe in theories revolving around the chief justice of the supreme court, FBI, CIA, Military, LBJ and others conspiring to the kill the president; this is the stuff of Hollywood where fantasy prevails. My problem with you guys is that you are one of the problems with America right now, so pessimistic and always blaming government for everything, even your own failures. By believing is so many different grand conspiracies, you take a fanatical and anarchist stance.

To a degree, i blame Hollywood for some of this. How many hollywood movies have been made about CIA conspiring to do things? or JFK movies claiming totally different stories? and people believe in all of what they see

 

Comedy gold Sure. Whatever you say. What you say goes. JFK's autopsy was transparent and above board. There is no reason at all to question the government. They are the absolute authorities. They would never lie. Nobody can prove them wrong.

 

such strawman arguments is why CTists fail.

 

And I have yet to understand why these nong-nongs treat a serious subject as 'comedy gold'...

 

the sad thing is, such strawman arguments work on many of the naive and gullible among us.

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I believe that circumstantial evidence is telling when there is so much of it. Not sure if you're familiar with the Zodiac Killer case for example. They never caught the guy because there was no "evidence" but it's reasonable to assume it was Arthur Leigh Allen because of all the circumstantial evidence. And whether you want to say that people have changed their testimony or not over the years, the question remains of why so many of them had to change it. And why so many claimed their testimony was changed without their approval. If you want to deny that that even happened then I don't know what else to say. And for the record, I don't blame government for everything and in fact I believe in big government in terms of healthcare and education, etc. But I also believe that as a citizen, you gotta hold the government's feet to the fire otherwise you'll get bad government. The kind that plummets the country the way it has plummeted the last decade or so. All because the leaders forgot who they really work for.

 

I'm a realist, i don't entirely trust the NSA, CIA, FBI etc.. but believe that the U.S.A is a great Country with a government that has played a major role in making it great. I do think that by and large, most in government have good intentions, are honest and hard working but there are a minority that are rogue and have may have bad intentions.

The undisputable fact remains that the hard evidence and most of the circumstantial evidence points to Oswald. The JFK assasination has been the most investigated, talked about and to this day, no credible evidence has surfaced pointing to a conspiracy theory. All the claims about a magic bullet, false autopsy, faked Oswald pics, proof of a frontal head shot, planted finger prints have been shot down over the years.You are left with inconsistencies and suspicions like: Some heard shots from grassy knoll; second hand accounts of what David Morales said;apparent confession from a senile Hunt; some inconsistent statements from attending doctors; inconsistent statements from Tippet witnesses; Oswald's alleged ties with CIA; witnesses dyingt etc.... None of this is credible, it's just enough to make people a little suspicious. I for one, can totally see Oswald committing this alone, don't believe that the hard evidence against him was fabricated or planted and don't believe that both the Warren Commission and HSCA were under government control. I also strongly believe that a conspiracy would've been uncovered by now..

Oswald IMO, could've easily carried this out on his own and i don't understand why all of you think it was impossible... just take a close look at who he was and where he was.

 

The WC and HSCA weren't under government control. They WERE government. And you make everything sound a lot more inconsistent than they really are. Countless doctors, nurses, and agents saying they saw a hole in the back of his head. You're not gonna convince me that they didn't know what they were talking about. Also, saying the hole in the throat was an entry. Doctors who were experienced with these kinds of injuries. And once again, you're getting me back into the argument. Sigh.

 

I think it is good to keep the argument going. As more and more people who are not on the payroll look into this topic, the paid obfuscators will begin to stand out like a sore thumb. I like your posts.

 

This I precisely why you guys have failed to prove anything for 50 years. You bring the doctors into the conversation and make it look like they all agreed on what they saw and thoroughly analyzed the wounds. I have already quoted to you what they all said and shown you how some agreed with the autopsy findings and virtually all were consistent in their claims that they didn't even bother to look at the president's back; all of them stated they didn't spend too much time trying to figure out the nature Of the wounds. You completely ignore what I posted as if it never happened and continue to use their statements as evidence. Ignoring facts in this manner is a cop out and only discredits you guys even further. No investigation in the world would use their statements as evidence of anything. When doctors tell you they didn't bother turning the president over; didn't bother to carefully analyze the wounds and are inconsistent in their assertions, it renders their testimony weak at best. Some stated they saw a wound in the back yet not a single one saw a wound on the front of the head, where did bullet come from? Dr. Perry was the one that thought neck wound looked like an entry wound but also stated that he didn't even bother to check the back.. Dr. Carrico looked at the autopsy pics and drawings and claimed it was all consistent with what he saw on that day. You just continue to throw this out the window and cherry pick bits and pieces thy suit you. You guys don't know how to argue or win am argument cause you use straw mans, ad homminem and ignore the parts that don't quite fit your story. I agree, let's agree to ...

 

As I have stated before....I am a person who is very familiar with what will most likely happen, can happen, could possibly happen and what usually happens as a result of a High Velocity Round impacting various materials including a Human Being.

It is entirely possible for a very well trained and practiced Sniper to have made the shots Oswald is purported to have made....but what is highly unlikely and bearing upon COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE is the after effects of the materials struck by such high velocity rounds and what the reported movement of the so called Magic Bullet did.

For those of you who have this idea that a person using that specific weapon....The rifle that was used to kill JFK was a 6.5mm Carcano type, model 91/38 rifle. It was manufactured at the Royal Arms Factory in Terni, Italy, in 1940....could not have gotten off the shots in the time passed and hit the targets.....well I can tell you........

......I COULD DO IT.

But what I could not make happen is how the bullets were reported to have moved to cause the impacted damage....that data and information IS A LIE.

Consider this....At the request of erstwhile first daughter Caroline Kennedy, her late mother’s Dallas suit won’t be on public display until the year 2103, reports the Los Angeles Times’ Faye Fiore. Until then, the National Archives and Records Administration is storing the clothes in a dark, window-less, temperature-controlled bunker at the agency’s complex in Maryland.

According to people who have seen it, the jacket was never washed and still retains the look of a brand new article of clothing -- except, of course, for the stains from the blood of the fallen president.

With a very few exceptions, virtually all of the records identified as belonging to the Kennedy Collection have been opened in part or in full. Those documents that are closed in full or in part were done so in accordance with the Kennedy Act, mentioned above. According to the Act, no record could be withheld in part or in full, without the agreement of the ARRB. The guidelines for withholding records are outlined in the provisions in Section 6 of the Act. The full report of the ARRB is available online. A copy of the Act is in Adobe Acrobat PDFAppendix C of the ARRB Report mentioned above. In all cases where the ARRB agreed to withhold a record or information in a record, they stipulated a specific release date for the document. In addition, according to Section 5(g)(2)(D) of the Act, all records in the Kennedy Collection will be opened by 2017 unless certified as justifiably closed by the President of the United States.

Five decades after the fatal shots in Dallas, thousands of pages of investigative documents remain withheld from public view.

The contents of these files are partially known — and intriguing — and conspiracy buffs are not the only ones seeking to open them.

Some serious researchers believe the off-limits files could shed valuable new light on nagging mysteries of the assassination — including what U.S. intelligence agencies knew about Lee Harvey Oswald before Nov. 22, 1963.

It turns out that several hundred of the still-classified pages concern a deceased CIA agent, George Joannides, whose activities just before the assassination have tantalized researchers for years.

“This is not about conspiracy, this is about transparency,” said Jefferson Morley, a former Washington Post reporter and author embroiled in a decade-long lawsuit against the CIA, seeking release of the closed documents. “I think the CIA should obey the law. I don’t think most people think that’s a crazy idea.”

Morley’s effort has been joined by others, including G. Robert Blakey, chief counsel for a House investigation into the JFK assassination in the 1970s.

But so far, the Joannides files and thousands more pages primarily from the CIA remain off-limits at a National Archives center in College Park, Md.

Others say the continued sealing of 50-year-old documents raises needless questions in the public’s mind and encourages conspiracy theories.

“There is no question that in various ways the CIA obfuscated, but it may be they were covering up operations that were justifiable, benign CIA operations that had absolutely nothing to do with the Kennedy assassination,” said Anthony Summers, a British author who has written about the JFK case.

“But after 50 years, there is no reason that I can think of why such operations should still be concealed,” Summers said. “By withholding Joannides material, the agency continues to encourage the public to believe they’re covering up something more sinister.”

Declassified documents show that Joannides, while based in Miami, was the CIA case officer for the anti-Castro Student Revolutionary Directorate (DRE), which clashed with Oswald in New Orleans.

Given Oswald’s support for Castro, was Joannides told to disrupt his political activities

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according to his warped logic he has,the government never lies to us,there has never been any government corruption that has ever existed,they always tell the truth,they are looking out for our best interests at heart all the time . comedy gold as always.

Like you said before,some people like the magic bullet theorists still like to believe in santa clause as well.

 

CT strawmen are funny.

 

as always,you took him to school.as i said before,we had a very objective non biased autopsy done on him illegally removing his body from dallas not allowing the dallas doctors to do it and then the 3 autopsy doctors the military they selected to do the autopsy were not even qualified pathologists and then of course like you said,they had admirals and generals directing the autopsy telling them what was allowed and not allowed,yet a non biased autopsy was done that day alright.

amazing how the magic bullet theorists enjoy coming back for their constant ass beatings they get here.

 

illegally? prove it

everytime you say "magic bullet", you lose the debate.

 

I guarantee you,the magic bullet theorists here also think pro wrestling is real as well.

 

I Just as I predicted you now launch personal attacks with outright lies.

If you had read the entire thread you would have noticed a discussion between Mike and I where we agreed the government is always to be held up to scrutiny and accountability and never to be trusted blindly.

So cut and paste a quote where any of stated the government never lies. It should be easy since you state above that we have said so.

And as I have proven before you are the leading magic bullet theorist who belives in magic bullets

 

The claim that generals and admirals were running the autopsy is simply false and once again proven only by Hollywood. Oliver Stoneás JFK is the culprit here and he simply dreamed up that Idea from thin air.

The proven fact is that the fully qulified patholgists at Bethesda were highly experienced and in complete command of the autposy which they proved with complete documentation and testimony to the Warren Commission.

The only generals in the room were observing from a viewing stand for medical students and never interfered.

Now you have accused me of never supporting my claims but everything I have just stated is documented in the Warren Commission Report and in the HSCA report and even in the church committee hearings.

So where is your evidence of the claims you make concerning the autopsy ....... other than a movie.

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Yes since you believe in both you would know.

Thats why you always lose the debate

 

thats why all the paid shills handlers are getting worried sending them to message boards everywhere all over the place to endorce the lies of the warren commission that oswald was the lone assassin because like you said,most americans no longer believe the lies of the warren commission.It must have been painful for the government to air a special a year ago on it that endorced the warren commission and then even they had to say-despite all this according to polls,75% americans think there was a conspiracy.

well duh,75% of americans remember what they were taught in 7th grade physics classes about the laws of physics.

the history channel USED to be objective,they used to air both sides and always showed the special the men who killed kennedy every november but zionist jew new world order man Murdoch bought the channel so they never air it anymore.

 

Ruport Murdoch is a not one drop Jewish.

please take your Nazi hatred elsewhere.

 

Yeah because of the JFK assassiantion and watergate,people dont trust their government anymore like they did back then.

Kronkite was the grandfather of americas familys they all thought was an honest man they could all trust,not realising that he was an agent for the CIA.

Back then people trusted their government and believed everything they told them,now very few people trust the government anymore.Thats why so many people dont accept the lies of 9/11 and didnt afterwards is because of the internet.with the net,people from around the world know what really went down thanks to it.

Had the net been around back then like it was for 9/11,the coverup would never have lasted as many years successully like it did.

 

Which law pf physics taught in the seventh grade contradicts the governemnts investigation

You keep making this statement without ever explaining it.

It is becoming clear you never took any physics in any grade

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Cronkite was never an agent of the CIA.

Look down your tinfoil hat dropped off.

 

amazing the gullibilty.

Thats funny that you mentioned Humes because he even backed up the dallas doctors claims in the 70's that the autopsys were forged.

sorry but the dallas doctors have credibility,you dont.

they have been to dallas conferences over the years many times saying the warren commission lied and the hsca investigation concluded that the second shooter was firing from the grassy knoll.the lead investigater, robert blakey, wrote a book about it saying organized crime killed him and that there was a second shooter behind the knoll..you might actually try and pick up his book and read it sometime.

oh and blakey has even come out and gave an interview for globe magazine saying there indeed was a second shooter behind the picket fence. you really sure like getting egg on your face.might want to bone up on the facts.

 

Cronkite was a CIA agent, Rupert Murdoch is a Jew, this guy has quite the imagination!!!