Oswald did it, Conspiracy theorists in denial and cannot accept it

I assume you are talking about the fatal head shot. Remember, the President had just been shot in the neck, his hands grasped his throat and he was more then likely trying to bend down, but his back brace prevented that so all he did was lower his head. At the same time the car was pulling away from Oswald, so the angle of the shot was less then his earlier shots.

Also this bullet was rather unusual. As Mike12 stated, this round is known for several very unusual characteristics.

For one, it has a very long blunt rounded nose. Unlike the sharp point most people think of, most would likely look at a bullet by itself removed from the cartridge and identify it as some kind of pistol ammunition.



I have been shooting all my life, and this is completely unlike any rifle projectile I have ever experienced. This was done though at the time it was developed as a way to increase the bite on the lands and grooves in the rifle barrel and improve accuracy at battlefield distances (the rifle itself is unusual, with very deep grooves, as well as a "Gain Twist". Gain Twist is when the rifling increases as the round travels down the barrel. The idea behind the concept is that it increased stability at longer ranges.

It also had a very thick copper jacket, 2-3 times thicker then most other contemporary bullets. One reason why this was popular as a deer rifle at the time was that the bullet was known for remaining largely intact, not separating as the jacketing was stripped from the lead core.

These all make for an unusual bullet, with very unusual ballistics. The flattened nose tends to cause it to yaw once it strokes something, quite strongly when compared to other similar ammunition.

Finally, it is barely "high velocity", only having a velocity of around 660 meters per second. Far lower then other common ammunition - it sits right about the halfway point between a .357 and a 7.62x51mm NATO round.

However, you are quite correct about the round exiting explosively. My post here is not correction, simply clarifying a few things that have not been brought up so far that I have seen.

 

The car almost stopped until Kennedy was killed. That much is evident from the fact that the secret service agent on foot was able to catch up with the car and get on the back.

 

What you are argueing about is still wrong because it did not change direction as you claim nor did anyone STATE that it changed direction as you claim nor did they ever bring in theoretical physicists to support what happened.

The bullet traveled a normal ballistic path without any alterations in direction of travel until it struck Connally's wrist which caused a small change of direction landing it in his left thigh. The rest of the wounds line up as perfectly as can be accurately measured.

No onje ever stated it changed direction. The myth that the government claimed it changed direction is dreamed up by conspiracy theorists. All that one needs to do is read the Warren Commission report to understand they never said any such thing nor did they need to say any such thing the bullet simply struck two men in a normal ordinary manner.

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Yes and the driver lived with the fact that his slowing down the limo probably helped Kennedy be killed until he died but this is evidence of error and failure not of conspiracy.

 

First of all remember....it was in the interest of the National Security of the United States that it was in fact a Lone Gunman...Oswald...who shot JFK.

Just imagine the absolute terror and aftermath that would occur in the country if the public were to find out this was a Mob hit and if it was a Mob hit...why did the Mob do it.

ABSOLUTELY NO ONE WANTED TO ANSWER THE WHY.

Secondly an expert Sniper Team can easily set up the shots to coincide with the time needed for a single shooter to have done it as if you first drive a vehicle down that same street and use background references for when to shoot....understanding that the Secret Service will be driving that Presidential Limo at a specific speed which is standard.....the rest is easy.

Thirdly...anything that was in conflict with Oswald being the lone shooter was covered up by not only the FBI, NSA....but as well by Oswald being murdered by Ruby and sealing almost all information and evidence some for 50 years some for over 100 years.

AboveAlpha

 

Yes, but my point being that the different shooters had to know ahead of time that this was the moment when they should all squeeze off a carefully sited shot.

 

The duty of a secret service agent is to protect the president. Greer had to KNOW that by hitting the brakes after the first shots were fired that slowing down was the wrong action to take. His training would have been exactly opposite of his actions that day.

 

You are only partly correct.

Had the mob been involved the public would have been outraged and the mob probably destroyed. But there is no evidence linking them.

LBJ was much more concerned with the Soviets being implicated which would have been an act of war leading to a nuclear holocaust which was one motive for establishing the Warren Commission.

The rest of your claim is false however the Warren Commission and other investigations which followed looked at all available evidence to arrive at the truth they did not set out to establish a preordained outcome.

The vast majority of evidence has been available to the public since early 1964 when the Warren Commission report was published. Onlty a small fraction has been sealed and kept secret to protect the lives of people working for our intelligence services which is very standard practice

 

Wrong he had little training compared to what they are trained in today. He was a glorified chaffeur and little more. He would never have been hired by today's Secret Service which has tghtened and raised their standards astronomically compared to 1963. For example every member of the detail today is a college graduate and he did not even have a high school diploma. He did commit a bad and fatal error but he was not so rigorously trained as you believe based on today'ds standard.

Also training only prevents error training does not negate error.

 

Without any training at all I would have been on the accelerator, not the brakes, after hearing shots fired. There was nearly 5 seconds between the shot in JFK's throat shot and his head shot. The driver was on the brakes the entire time.

 

oh gee, do i smell a reasonable, logical conspiracy theorist? wow, they are so rare!

i still don't think even you have done your homework because it seems like you may be on baord with some of the conspiracy theorists' assertions which have been stepped on by facts and evidence.

you see, i'm a reasonable anti-conspiracy theorist but i look at the evidence, both sides and above all, am not blinded by a desire to believe in something that may not be true. Any semi intelligent person who carefully analyzes the evidence and facts can see that the single bullet theory holds up quite well, that there was one gunman and Oswald was the shooter. Now, did Oswald do this entirely on his own accord? that is what i don't have a strong view on. He certainly seemed to be colorful character with an interesting background who i can easily see perpetrating this but i can also see 'others' influencing his actions. Of course, no evidence has been uncovered to point to others being involved so i think this was purely a case of a anti social person having the means, being presented with the opportunity and executing.

 

I am glad you brought up these issues as it reminds me to state that not only is it the BACK of JFK's head that explodes outwardly as Jackie had to grab a piece of JFK's scull and scalp that was blown back onto the trunk of the vehicle......but as for the Magic Bullet....this round would not obtain enough inertia to be able to go through JFK's neck and then do everything else that it is supposed to have done.

AboveAlpha...p.s...You and I both know that the exist would of such a round will be EXPLOSIVE in it's nature and it is IMPOSSIBLE for an entry wound to be explosive and shoot bone and flesh in the opposite direction of an impacting bullet.

 

That is obvious, look at where it happened.



It was a slow moving motorcade, and had been crawling for the entire time since it left the airport. It had also just completed a 120 degree turn, and was entering another turn the opposite direction. It was going slow because this was basically a campaign stop, and they wanted to maximize the time that people could see the President.

This is a great film, and shows quite a bit of the motorcade.

[video=youtube;2vhVenvzxQg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vhVenvzxQg[/video]

As you can see, the car did not "almost stop", it had been traveling pretty consistently as it had for most of the motorcade. If anything, it was actually traveling a bit faster, not slower.

And if it was a "planned hit", why did they not arrange it earlier, in one of the areas they knew it would have to almost stop, like actually making that 120 degree turn? Why afterwards, when it was speeding up down Elm at almost the end of the route?

 

Yes the bullet had more than enough velocity to pass through two human bodies and a wrist and end up barely lodged in the leg which is all that happened.

 

That I couldn't tell you for certain other than it is possible that where the shooters were stationed had to be areas that the Secret Service would not have people also stationed and in my opinion I believe there had to be a member of the Secret Service that was in on the hit.

AboveAlpha

 

Except that no evidence supports this and it is rather ludicrous.

On the other hand it is reasonable Oswald acted alone and the evidence proves this to be true

 

Again...explain how the back of JFK's head exploded toward the truck of the vehicle yet the front of his head did not.

A round of this nature impacting at such velocity and force would have a small entry wound to the head and explode out the other side.

If the shot came from the rear JFK's head should have exploded outward toward the front of the car.

It did not.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THIS TO HAPPEN UNLESS HE WAS SHOT FROM THE FRONT.

AboveAlpha

 

You are wrong because once again the drbsi went everywhere including the front.

The windshield was splattered with his blood and brain tissue. Several large fragments of the bullet were found on the dash. The windshiled had a hole in it from behind and even the trim around the glass was damaged.

Head wounds do not always explode as you claim they commonly explode all over making a mess everywhere and this is what happened.

ALso remember he was in a MOVING car which makes it very easy to understand how much of it ended up on the back of the limo. Some of the material from his head flew up as the limo moved forward under it.

 

You are talking bull. In the video JFK's head is impacted from the FRONT and with the inertia of the round striking the front of the head his head moves back and to the left.

The rear of his head explosively blows out.

AboveAlpha

 

No I amnot and you are basing your knowledge on nothing more than what you have seen in movies and TV.

Bodies and heads do not always move away from the direction of the gun they often move toward the gun or to the side or simply collapse or even do not react at all.

The entrance wound was in the back and a careful examination of the film shows that he actually moved forward very slightly BEFORE the pink mist appears. ANd the pink mist appearrs before the back/left movement.

This slight movement was about two inches which is all that a bullet would be expected to move an adult human head which is supported by massive amounts of muscle and bone.

The back and to the left movment was caused by any number of forces but not the bullet.

Neurological muscle contractions are common in victims of head wounds causing the body to jerk ans spasm unpredictably. ALso the jet affect can puch the head back toward the gun.

Now there is no way to prove conclusively which of these or other forces caused his movement which was also assisted by his wife as you can clearly see her hands on his upper body pulling him slightly toward her( she was on his left ).

But even hough it is impossible to say for sure which of many forces caused the movment it is simply not true to state that the bullet strike caused his back and to the left movement since all of the physical evidence proves he was shot from behind and above andthis physical evidence is supported by most witness accounts.

The real magic bullet is the one which vanished into thin air after being fired from the knoll or the manhole or the front of the limo or the triple underpass or whereever.

This bullet dreamed up by conspiracy theorists was never found and no one saw the shooter despite the fact that most of those location were out in the open with no cover or concealment. No brass no recovered bullets no anything but endless imagination. Thats magic.

 

LINK....http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=334123&page=3

Just try to explain the size of this hole.

AboveAlpha

 

I did you just hate it.

How many times will you ignore that the autopsy proved the entrance wound in the back of the head none of your links can challenge that fact.

They found and documented the entrance wound. Try reading it ( the autopsy report ) they were much smarter and more experienced in such matters than you or I.

 

Unfortunately this fact is ignored by the "magic bullet theorists". JFK was killed nearly instantly by a bullet that blew his brains out from the front and out the back as testified by nearly every doctor and nurse at Parkland Hospital on staff the afternoon of November 22, 1963. They ignore that fact and favor the "official autopsy" which was an obvious cover-up or else no one would be challenging the "official story" today. All they had to be was transparent in their investigation to put the conspiracy theorists to rest. Transparency is the key. Release all the JFK documents now. Why do we have to wait until 2017 to learn the truth?

 

Dr. Burkley stated that the bullet entered the front right temple and existed the back of the head.

So did all the doctors who attempted to treat JFK until they were silenced.

AboveAlpha

 

As I always point out you are ne of the magic bullet theorists.

You have posted and reposted quotes from the Parkland doctors none of whom stated any such thung.

They merely described the size of the wound based on quick observation and none of them were patholigists conducting an autopsy.

The autopsy was no cover up which is why you alwaysd make that claim without providing a shred of evidence that it was a cover up.

The investigation was and remains more tranparent than any other such investigation in history the vast bulk of the evidence has been available for decades bt to examine it prves that it is the conspiracy theorists who are the real magic bullet believers which is why you will never try to look at it.

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No they did not they only staterd a large wound in the back and they never even turned the body onto it's front to examine it.

And you misquote Burkley as well he stated an opinion not a fact based on detailed examination as the autopsy performed.

 

LOL. Desperation.