Oswald did it, Conspiracy theorists in denial and cannot accept it

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  1. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Nope the desperation is yours.

    I stated facts and truth.
     
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    I am not desperate. I seek the truth. While I may not always find the truth ... I always seek the truth. There is no desperation in that.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    calling it a "magic" bullet, means you're not interested in facts or truth.
     
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    You ignore the truth and never seek it.

    AN intelligent person seeks the truth by carefully viewing and cosidering both sides of an argument.

    You selectively ignore any fact which disputes a conspiracy theory.You hve never bothered to read any material from the official investigations although you consistently misquote those investigations and accuse them of things such as coverups which you cannot provide evidence for.

    You also launch ad hominen attacks when a few facts dispute you as you did with me.

    Now you will repeat the same proven falsehoods until corrected again in the hopes that no one saw me correct you.
     
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    Your poor reading skills are documented. You have no clue who I am, or what I stand for, because you do not bother reading my posts. You assume what I write which means that you make an ASS-U-Me. It would do you well to actually read what I write.
     
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    That is false you have not read the Warren commision report and have admitted so.

    This clearly proves you do not seek the truth but only that which you wish to believe.

    This is obvious every time you throw out the words magic bullet.

    The magic bullet theory was dreamed up out of thin air by conspiracy theorists and has never been true.

    The essence of this theory is that the government tried to hoodwink the American people by claiming the bullet performed impossible stunts.

    But once again had you bothered to fact check what the government described you would see that they never made any such claim whatsoever. This is why those who throw out the magic bullet argument are the believers in a theory which has never been true.
     
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    anyone who says "magic bullet" admits to not being knowledgeable about the event.
     
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    The only problem I have with Oswald being the only shooter is his ability as a sniper. Although it was moving at a crawl, still it was moving away from him. Had he ever practiced such a shot setup before? As for the magic bullet, I really had my doubts about that until a couple of years ago a team in Australia -- of all places -- decided to establish a Myth Busters style set up and methodically fired bullets along the known Oswald scenario until they indeed began to get the bullet to perform according to the 'magic' path. So it was possible. My conclusion? Hell if I know! I don't feel strongly about it one way or the other. It's just a mildly interesting intellectual exercise to me.
     
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    well, oswald once achieved rating of sharpshooter, going 48/50 during rapidfire on a target 180m away. He then apparently achieved marksman rating, which is a lower rating than sharpshooter. Now Kennedy was only about 80m away, which for a sniper is close and an easy shot. Now, people point to the fact that Kennedy was moving but let's not forget the car was moving pretty slow, like 15-20mph yet conspiracy theorists make it sound like Oswald was shooting at a car going 80mph lol...
     
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    Yes but the nearer the object the faster it seems to be moving when you are sighting on it. I am not disagreeing, but it's a slightly troubling issue. As I recall the only thing that Australian team didn't manage to duplicate was the moving target aspect. But -- heck -- I may be wrong about that, my memory being what it is and all. Good information. Thanks!
     
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    A target moving away from the shooter is an easy target to hit especially if it is moving slowly.

    Such a target does not appear to be moving at all it only appears to be shrinking and one has to hit the target before it shrinks out of view or disappears.

    He did not need any such practice for such a set up it was an easy shot to make
     
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    Okay thanks, but keep in mind that he was sighting on a lower elevation moving target. Does that make a difference to the sniper as the target slowly moves away, or is it effectively a non-issue?
     
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    Have you done much deer hunting?

    Trust me, matter generally does not spatter out the entrance to much, it is all pushed forward of the bullet and exits the other side. The only exception is if you hit bone right away, like a shoulder. Then you will have some deflected back towards the shooter because of that first bone impact, but still the majority follows the path of the bullet and leaves the exit wound.
     
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    Pretty much a non issue at that range
     
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    What need was there to practice? For one, it was moving very slowly, so slowly that it made almost no difference. Also it was not moving across his field of fire, but along it. Such practice is only really needed if it was moving sideways to his shooting position, where he would need to practice gauging the distance and speed, so he would know how far to lead his target.

    And yes, he would have had such training. That is part of the skills every Marine is taught.

    A slow moving target less then 100 meters away, that is moving towards or away from you, no adjustment at all. Your bullet will impact within inches of where you are aiming at.

    The more I read such responses, it quickly becomes obvious that only one or two in here have ever been trained how to shoot people. They have absolutely no idea what is involved in shooting at a moving target, they just seem to believe it is something magical that only trained snipers can do.

    In fact, Charles Whitman went through the same shooting course that Oswald did, and was also ranked a Sharpshooter. Yet he had no problem hitting people running at up to 575 yards. So why would anybody think Oswald would have a problem at less then 100?
     
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    Well that's why I asked in a respectful manner, as I -- shockingly -- have had no experience as a sniper. On the other hand I would expect an equal amount of respect from you if -- for instance -- we were discussing hand to hand fighting; as I have had training in that field.
     
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    I was respectful, I did not say anything bad about you or the question. I just explained concisely what was involved, and why such did not matter in this situation.

    I admit I may be a bit brusque I readily admit, but please do not confuse that with disrespect.

    In fact, I often get more polite as a way to prevent myself from calling somebody a freaking idiot. :)
     
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    Yeah I can understand that. It's sometimes difficult to remain civil while posting. I apologize if I got a bit edgy there.
     
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    He wont read that article,your making wayyyyyy too much sense here overloading him with facts and figures.these facts in that link are too much overwhelming for them to handle,it will overload them and make them have a nervous breakdown with way too much logic and facts to comprehend there.:roflol::grin:

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    thats the understatement of the century that only a conspiracy kook believes oswald acted alone.:weed::roflol::worship:
     
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    yep,yep,and yep.

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    of course.the lone nut THEORISTS always go into their debates only looking for THEORIES instead of evidence and facts.
     
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    The magic bullet theorists always get egg on their faces everyday defending the lies of the warren commission.oswald is so much seeking fame and attention,that he DENYS he did it.yep thats seeking fame alright.:roflol::weed:
     
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    they always play dodgeball with that fact and change the subject.:roflol::roflol:

    dont forget to mention that they denied him his right for a lawyer like he requested as well and held him for 12 hours of interrogation without tape recording a single thing.thats something policemen do EVEN for a kid who steals candy at a candystore and here,this is the murder of the president of the united states and NO RECORDINGS DONE..:roflol:
     
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    I see you've noticed the the same thing about him as well that I did,that he evades facts when he is cornered and changes the subject? thats how they all operate.ever notice? :roflol:

    thats why I have put them all on ignore.
     
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    yout got to love how they keep evading pesky facts that dont along with the warren commissions version of events and constantly change the subject here everyday.hee hee.
     
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    Yeah they had me fooled on that for ages as well.
     
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