Texas law keeps "unresponsive", pregnant woman on life support against her will

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  1. Bowerbird

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    And if that child ends up a vegetable? People who say there is nothing worse than death have never worked in an ICU - this couple were paramedics - they KNEW there are a lot of things worse than death
     
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    This is an extremely interesting case. But since the mother is essentially dead I would say the choice should then go to the person who would have to raise the child. In this case it's the father. And the father wants to abort. Sounds like the right thing to do morally is to abort.
     
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    of course there is a lot worse than death. but we fight to keep (*)(*)(*)(*)ing the worst criminals in history alive yet we allow a baby to be killed because the father is a coward? and again, if there is the smallest of chances for my child to survive im taking it, im not some kind of chicken(*)(*)(*)(*) like this wanna be father. I have no respect for any person that wont fight for their child, its pathetic.
     
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    Says who? You?
    Another instant "Leftmedical exoert", just like their "vast scientific knowledge" ....:roll:


    What if the child DOES NOT "end up a vegetable"?


    The DESPERATION of the SOUL-SICK LEFT to kill this child is nauseating, and apparently, relentless.
     
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    So are you gonna pay his medical bills what gives you the right to say anything?
     
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    The liberal horde can't allow a man to "choose" for a woman even if she is brain dead. Half the women I know are brain dead half of the time.
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you?

    I am entitled to defend ANY CHILD I SEE IMPERILED ANYWHERE, regardless of sickening Leftbloodlust.

    As I said, the DESPERATION of the SOUL-SICK LEFT to SEE THIS CHILD DEAD..is SICKENING.


    It's all about the money, now...apparently. Good grief....:puke:
     
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    :roll: oh please...

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    Oh really?...you're a female in Texas then?
     
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    Should we call you 'the almighty' or just God?
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Why....?

    Not enough tragedy for you?
     
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    Wouldn't want this baby to be born, and risk it being an Untermenschen ,right,'experts'?
     
  12. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    So every baby no longer counts?

    Tell us,who exactly granted YOU the authority to decide this?
     
  13. Bowerbird

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    Oh! I believe he would WANT the baby born but he is faced with a brain dead wife and the very strong possibility that the baby is severely disabled. Those are not easy things to face and it is EASIER to just keep everything going. Tell me if this baby is delivered and it is shown to be severely brain damaged as well - will you contribute to the upkeep of that child?

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    Conversely - who granted you any authority to decide? On what are you basing your assumptions?
     
  14. Bowerbird

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    Don't you think this has not gone through his head? Don't you think he and his wife did not think this out? But you stand on the periphery unaffected by the tragedy so you cannot know what it is like to be in that situation

    No one who has not taken a loved one through brain death can understand this - not fully
     
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    He can do whatever he wants a minute after the baby is delivered. Until then, no two-for-one deal for eugenics loving Murder, Inc. :clapping:
     
  16. Bowerbird

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    Oh! Wow! Such empathy for someone going through a difficult and emotionally trying time - you are not there and it is not your loved one
     
  17. LoneStrSt8

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    I won't have to contribute to the upkeep of the child,it will be done automatically with taxes from you and I,but hey,all that's being asked right now,is some time till more tests can be done on the baby...doesn't the chance of a healthy baby deserve that?

    And I'm NOT deciding for anyone....THAT's the point
     
  18. Bowerbird

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    But you are passing judgement - and that is MY point.

    I have been at these bedsides more times than I can count.

    I have assisted grieving families of loved ones of all ages - including infants who were brain dead. Have you any idea how hard it is to tell a parent their child, who has no mark on them, who is pink with a rising and falling chest - that that child is DEAD??

    It takes it's toll on all
     
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    I'm not 'passing judgement' on ANYONE,THAT is the point.....And apparenly it hasn't taken that big of a toll on you...
     
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    Really? Without access to medical records, Doctors discussions, pathology reports etc - you have decided that the baby is "worth saving". See there are degrees of brain death. The most severe - the patient not only cannot see think or respond - and by that I mean NO response except spinal reflexes. They are unable to breathe by themselves, they do not make any respiratory effort even when off the ventilator for a period of time, they do not gag or cough even. Many do not have temperature regulation anymore and have to have extra-ordinary interventions just to maintain core body temperature. You cannot let them just lie there either - they MUST be turned regularly, fed and given aperients to keep the bowels moving - of course hoping that you will get stress ulceration of the gut and other issues. Because they cannot swallow saliva pools at the back of the throat and despite meticulous care will become infected and will leak past the cuff of the ETT and cause VAP - Ventilator associated pneumonia. Of course she will be catheterised - and after 3 weeks will in all probability have a bladder infection as well. Now every time she has an infection that is going to disrupt the homeostasis of the body and can lead to further low blood pressure states further injuring the foetus

    Do you REALLY want me to go on because I sure as (*)(*)(*)(*) can!
     
  21. LoneStrSt8

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    I have ne desire to see you engage in any more of your blood lust disguised as 'caring'....You've decided that it's not worth saving,and nothing will sway you.
     
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    As you are obviously not Medically educated, let alone moderately informed and have decided to ridicule someone who actually knows what they are speaking to ((verified by my wife who also has personal experience in this)...it is clear you do not care about or value the adult female in this situation. In fact it seems you have no compassion for the man watching his beloved wife rot on a table, the once alive mother, the doctors and nurses who get to keep her body from disintegrating, or the extended families going through hell. Apparently, you only care about the fetus, regardless of the likelihood it will either die shortly of be terribly afflicted by medical issues for what life it has once born.

    Perhaps you should volunteer to take care of this baby once born....and pay the medical expenses for them both?
     
  23. AmericanNationalist

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    Agreed. While I'm normally pro-life, by all accounts the mother is dead beyond any possible means of revival. And delivering the fetus seems to be all but impossible. And even if you delivered the fetus, can you imagine the trauma? Imagine feeling literally responsible for your own parent's death. It would tear me apart hypothetically.

    I think the best thing for this family, for the mother and their desires is to let her go. Let her rest in dignity. A part of a being a humanitarian is learning to respect life, even when it passes.
     
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    Perhaps you should bite me?

    Are all 'medical professionals' this bloodthirsty?
     
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    I would prefer not to engage in the homosexual acts you imply.....and NO, medical professionals simply understand the realities of the limitations of the science they practice. There is likely no one in the field who would wish this upon anyone, but it is their job to protect life as best they can. The mother is no longer alive, and they fetus is pretty much gone as well....The State is trying to bow to those who put God into medicine.
     

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