Texas law keeps "unresponsive", pregnant woman on life support against her will

'Homosexual acts'?



Are you serious?


And maybe God NEEDS to be put in medicine...Sure as hell you two need a lesson in humanity.....

 

Yeah. Could be gay or something.

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The fetus is "pretty much gone as well"? What evidence do you have of that?

 

Oh you liberals and your abundance of 'feelings'. Of course, you don't have a single feeling for the baby.

 

It is not against his wife's will. His wife was never asked what she would want in this situation - only that if she was a vegetable, that she would not want to be resuscitated. That does not apply in this situation, because she was never asked if she would support the idea of caring for her baby if she was brain dead, but still able to carry the baby to delivery.

In fact, the evidence suggests that she would wish to do exactly that. She had, after all, carried the baby until the medical tragedy took place. So what would you think would cause such a deliberate behaviour to be reversed?

Nothing. Your political motivation disgusts me.

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Great. If you can get an answer from the baby that it wishes to be terminated, I'll abide that by request. Until then, liberal, that is a SEPARATE sentient being.

 

Expert in your field, eh? Okay. Let's test that, 'expert'. Tell me that you've never encountered a woman who would have wished to have her body used to support her unborn child if it were possible.

 

"“They won’t know for sure until they can perform an autopsy,” Machado said, her voice cracking. “And that can’t happen until she is no longer pregnant—either because she miscarries or the fetus can be delivered.”

When Machado and her husband arrived at the emergency room they found doctors and nurses hovering over their daughter, assessing her condition.

“They did a CAT scan and an EEG and there was no brain activity,” Machado said. “She was clinically declared brain dead. The doctors said she had been without oxygen for well over an hour.”

The family expected at that point that doctors would disconnect life-support and that they would say their goodbyes to Marlise."


http://www.nbcnews.com/health/pregnant-woman-kept-alive-against-familys-wishes-texas-2D11792149

The fetus requires Oxygen just as the mother did.....it is likely that the lack of it damaged both the fetus and the mother. The mother died as a result (amongst other things), there is no reason to believe the fetus came out unscathed. It is likely this will soon be a non issue regardless, as I would expect the fetus to succumb shortly.

 

Hope the fetus is healthy and lives a full life

 

Nothing in the story makes such a claim. You can take this to the bank: if this exact scenario were discussed, this story would be ALL OVER IT.

??? Yeah. I'm sure you support all those husbands whose murder defense was that "she requested I kill her and the baby she was carrying".

Hippocratic Oath. As a medical professional, your number #1 priority is protect life. That includes unborn babies.

It's nice that you attempt to bolster your argument with something which hasn't happened, in an attempt to discount the very real possibility that she would have wanted THE OPPOSITE.

Regardless: those who oppose abortion do so on principled ground. Do you think that a couple desperate to adopt a child couldn't be found to do exactly that? Killing this child would result in 100% death.

How about an alternative?

 

That does not answer my question in any way, shape or form. There is no reason to not give this child every chance at life. A child survived in the womb three months after the mother was declared brain dead in the link I provided in my last post.

 

According to Rightwing thinking?


Once a woman becomes pregnant, she becomes Property of the State.

 

According to left-wing thinking, that's the stupid conclusions one can draw if they are the brain dead mom.

 

Actually, it completely answered you question.,,,thus you have changed your direction and switched to expressing your opinion on a different subject....very well.

How about a little analogy for you here:

You have an accident and are designated as brain dead. Though you can no longer speak for yourself you made it legally clear you did not wish to have your body waste away. The State however wishes to harvest your sperm because of your incredible brain, in hopes of creating super babies. The Government hooks you up to machines to keep you alive, and a pump to your manhood to force ejaculation.

Are you Okay with this?

 

No, it didn't. You have no idea what damage - if any - the fetus endured. A fetus that size doesn't require a tremendous amount of nutrients or oxygen, and the amounts needed could be present in the amniotic environment, and in the cord. You just don't know - but you're certainly anxious to execute based upon the possibility of distress. I find that disgusting.

That is a horrible analogy. There is no human being saved in that equation.

 

I grow tired of your constant goal post moves....and will thus be done with you after this reply.

You asked for my reasoning that the fetus is damaged, I then provided the doctors opinion of the mothers condition, as well as the likely effect this has on the fetus. You did not agree this was sufficient and then changed the direction of discussion:

I then presented an analogy presenting a reason the fetus might not be "Given every chance at life" which you also found insufficient. There seems no reason to continue.

 

As he asked, what PROOF do you have of the fetus being damaged?

NONE, only your own lack of medical knowledge. Babies, can, and have, sutvived WORSE in their mothers' wombs.

 

I don't move goalposts. I asked a very specific question, and you didn't answer it, because you don't know the answer, and/or didn't understand simple english.

No, I didn't. I made a statement, which declared that you have no idea to what extent the fetus was damaged IF AT ALL.

...nothing that anyone who read the story didn't know...

"LIKELY"??!? You have NO #$P (#*$ IDEA. Half my family is in medicine, and THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW. Your irresponsibility in drawing conclusions based upon what you think is likely - because no medical professional would be so irresponsible - is irrelevant.

That's not changing the direction of the conversation. That's moving beyond a point where we obviouslyl disagree, because you're WRONG. Your entire argument is based upon a word which does not appear in the medical diagnosis.

Your 'analogy' was horrifically ridiculous, and attempted to dehumanize this baby by comparing to a sperm. If you do not know the difference when it comes to those who wish to protect the sanctity of life - and what that means - then you aren't worth the time spent.

There isn't. Learn the fundamentals of debate, foremost of which is NOT ASSUMING. The shame is that I haven't seen you perform better in any other debate, either.

 

which put that choice on the next of kin then... either way not your choice

 

yes, it has to do with dealing with realities not TV shows

WE are the ones who see what cannot be done and feel the hurt that comes to those who care

 

yeah - actually we do know and a fetes that age requires an enormous amount of support. Why the hell do you think the placenta is the size it is and the main vessels in the cord are that big? Why do you think women who are pregnant increase their respiratory rate from an early stage of pregnancy?

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do you not think that they have done what they could to investigate this?

 

realities?..You don't have a clue

 

As seems par for the course....your reply has little to do with the topic, and much to do with the opponent.

You Have Lost This....bow out before the foolish becomes the pariah.

 

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Ahh I see...No,I don't think I will.
Sorry.

 

By clamoring for the killing of babies?


How "ethical"....

 

Why don't just round up your fellow baby killers, grab some coat hangers and a hoover vac, and pry that little sucker out of there. We know nothing gets you guys harder than woodpecker lips , than some dead babies.