If Mitch McConnell & John Cornyn win their Primaries?...Tea Party is through

All their "threats" will be seen as made of wet noodles, all their "power and influence" shown to be a paper tiger.

Unless the Kentucky and Texas Tea Party run 3rd Party/Indy candidates against Mitch and John in the fall of 2014....it'll be a clear sign that John Boehner just muzzled and leashed them up in the backyard....and a trip to the vet for neutering won't be far behind.

After the Shutdown...it's clear the GOP Leadership has grown tired of pandering to the mouth-breathers

 

They may be tired, but the GOP establishment has created a monster they can't kill.

 

I don't understand why people like that don't just run for the Democratic party. They're clearly not conservative. So they don't belong in the Republican party anyway. You would think that as much as people (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about not feeling like they have enough choice between the parties, more of these people would be trying to stand out and provide a stark contrast against their opponents. The left wing sure doesn't have any problem being as extreme as they want. And they're downright cuckoo with their views and behaviors. Just look at their Tea Party - Occupy Wall Street. Rape, assault, vandalism. Nothing even close to anything you'd ever find at an actual Tea Party rally. And yet the OWSers wore their savagery with pride.

And yet now they appear to be pandering to the limp-wristed savages.

 

Funny, after the shut down people began to wake up to what Obamacare is really doing to them and Obama's numbers have been taking a nose dive. Just for kicks and giggles I ran the numbers on what it would cost my wife and I to get the Silver plan under obamacare. The cost was over $1,300 a month for the 2 of us. In other words over $15,000 a year. Oh, and the deductible use $12,700. Now that would be a REAL savings compared to the $7,200 I will have to pay through the Union with a $2,500 deductible wouldn't it. And you don't think to bring out crap like this was worth shutting down 18% of the government for 2 weeks?

 

Don't know....Boehner doesn't seem to scared of the Tea Party.

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Unifier....John Boehner shows you're IGNORABLE now. Sorry.

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You can talk "Obamacare" all day long, but....

How "popular" is the Tea Party right now?

 

I suppose we'll see, won't we? It's always been weird to me that you guys cheer for this, though. You all seem to have a really hard time grasping the concept that everybody suffers when the country moves left. It literally doesn't help anyone except for maybe the people in power. That's pretty much it. They're just telling you whatever you want to hear so you'll remain complacent with the place to which they've reduced you. They're essentially molesting you and telling you it's love. And you don't even realize it.

 

The left/right model itself is a farce. The people have their own opinions, but the people in power mostly do the same thing, plus or minus a few percentage points.

Your country suffers when you give your rulers more power, no matter if they're Republicans or Democrats. If you had a one party system you'd see more or less the same results.

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What you need to do is,

• Stop voting for them. Vote for people who actually represent your views.
• Make it more difficult for them to rule over you. Take control of your finances, do more of your trade voluntarily outside the state-approved market, engage in non-violent resistance, and encrypt your internet traffic where possible.

 

Deadline for running a Primary Challenger to John Boehner is 5th of February....think there'll be one? Or that he or she will win the GOP Nomination in the Ohio 8th? Or that, after the failed "coup" attempt against him in 2011, that if the GOP holds the majority in the House after 2014,, that John Boehner won't become Speaker?

And once he's Speaker again...after telling Tea Partyers to go eff themselves...rather loudly and publicly.....what "power and influence" will the Tea Party have over him in the House in 2015 and beyond???

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Unifier might CLAIM to "hate BOTH Parties"....but once he's in the voting booth? He'll vote a straight Republican ticket.....every time.

 

The same is often true of Progressives and the Democratic Party. Such people opt for the slightly lesser of two evils over someone decent. It's mostly based around misconceptions about voting - your vote is not wasted if you vote for someone who isn't a complete establishment hack - your vote isn't going to change anything anyway, you may as well vote honestly.

 

Not me.....if the GOP nominated Gary Johnson, I'd have voted for him. Not necessarily out of support for economic libertarianism, but to see a stake finally driven in the heart of SOCIAL conservatism.

I'd be happy with any libertarian Republican as President....if it meant finally and for all, getting rid of the power and influence of the American Taliban in our politics.

 

That would be a useful inquiry only IF you come back after the dust is settled to 'bump' the thread for updates and responses.

I'll look forward to it.

 

I'm beginning to think that Gorn is a closet RINO, since he spends so much time supporting their candidacies.

 

No, no....I want the GOP to become as Tea Party wacko as possible...as soon as possible. It needs to totally collapse due to being completely taken over by the Lunatic Fringe....so it can re-build itself quickly and we can have two sane, competitive parties in this country.

The longer the Establishment keeps winning and dragging out the process of finally giving the Religious Right, the racists/bigots/Nativists, and the Neo-cons the boot....the more comfortable Democrats get. And they need to stay sharp.....not just win by default.

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How about if I bump it after John Boehner becomes Speaker again in January 2015?

 

Getting back to Gorn and his OP. The TEA party is in trouble, Alabama 1 showed that. When the monied interests get behind a GOP candidate like in Alabama 1 the TEA party takes a nose dive. Now will the kill them off, who knows....

As for Unifer's point. I too like Gorn could live with a fiscal conservative who stays out of social issues. I don't like the GOP because of their marriage to social conservatives who beat the homosexual and abortion drums.

 

1. Thank you.

2. McConnell but Cornyn too....will tell the tale. If they win their primaries, they WILL win their Senate seats back and then all talk of "threats" from the Tea Party will be over....throw in Boehner, who likely won't even have a Tea Party primary challenger (only 8 weeks to the deadline).

No Republican will ever fear the Tea Party again....and without fear, there is no "power" or "influence" from them. The "RINOs" and "Establishment" can tell the TPers to jump in a lake....face little or no recriminations.....and eventually TP will be ignored....utterly...by the Party that created it.

NOW, it is posible that Bevin could win (unlikely Cornyn will lose his nomination)....and despite his craziness, squeak out a victory over Alison Grimes in KY. If so...all bets are off....the TP will have shown it can take out a Senate LEADER (if Minority) and "put the skeer" back into Sane Republicans that they need to sound like Obama-Deranged neo-anarchists who think Commies are sapping and impurifying all their precious bodily fluids.

If so....the GOP loses...BIG TIME...in 2016. Either you'll get Romney-Redux....a relatively sane conservative who has to sound like a Nutter to win the '16 Primaries...and thus is tainted in the General Election.......or an actual Tea Party Nominee...like Ted Cruz....who will be a 1000X worse for the Repulbican Party in the 2010s....than Mondale or Dukakis were for the Democrats in the 1980s. The Party will literally be seen as "dangerous" to Moderates and Independents and even the remaining Sane Republicans out there.

A city alderman from Newburyport, Mass. could win the Presidency as the Democratic Nominee.

Hillary? Would win a landslide unseen since Reagan in '84 or Nixon in '72 or Johnson in '64. It'd be a slaughter for the Republicans....from the Presidential ticket....to Congressional races....to even Governors' races.

Ted's Dad being interviewed....even on softball interviews on Fox....would cost him 1/2 the states that Mitt Romney won last year.

And THEN, the GOP would have to undergo its "post-Dukakis" style revamping the Democrats did in the early 90s.....starting with locking the Tea Partyers back up in the attic like a crazy aunt.



3. A TRUE libertarian Republican Party....no Religious Right, no Neo-cons? Would do the reverse....you'd see the Nominee win 49 states, maybe 50, and by 15+% popular vote...including mine.

But that too is far off in the distance.

 

I already do this at the primary level. It's kind of counterproductive to do this at the general election level, though.

 

Or in other words....despite your protests against "RINOs"...if one wins the Nomination, he'll automatically have your vote.

Which proves my point...Tea Partyers can be ignored.

 

NAMING NAMES

The TPs, after succeeding in delivering a number of senatorial seats to the Democrats via clown nominations, are further alienating themselves from the GOP by self-destructive antics such as shutting down public services because they were in a snit over the Affordable Care Act - a spiteful stunt that had no effect on the Affordable Care Act.

The comical aspect is that the TPs feel it necessary to self-righteously and mindlessly denounce all traditional Republicans in the mold of Eisenhower as "RINOs," as if the wacko birds had been defining the Party since Lincoln saved the Union (A Republican enterprise that would have given them a severe case of the vapours and occasioned them to swoon.)

The "RITMOs", "Republicans In Their Minds Only," need to get a life, a party, or both.

I had suggested, "Dixiecans" but, perchance, they could borrow from the IRA, the Irish Republican Army, whose bone fides were challenged by their splinter group berserkers declaring themselves the "Real IRA."

Then when they spout their bushwa and folks respond with an incredulous, "Are you for real?", they can, for once, depart from their inveterate, negative whinging and bellow, "We're the "REAL GOP®!"




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conservative isnt a requirement to be republican

 

Find a SANE Republican who wouldn't agree that if Far Right nutjobs like Todd "legitimate rape" Akin and Richard "Pregnancy from rape may be God's Plan" Mourdock hadn't won the Party's Nomination.....

the GOP would have picked up easy Senate victories in Indiana and Missouri in 2012.


As it was....the Extreme Right picked the candidates....and handed Democrats those Senate seats on a silver platter.

Alison Grimes has little shot against Mitch McConnell in 2014....she has a MUCH better shot against Tea Partyer Matt Bevin. No Tea Partyer will admit that....but anybody honest and rational will (or am I being redundant? ).

 

I am not 100 percent about anyone in the teaparty but I am against many of the old guard like Mitch McConnell who stuck in Pork for a dam project , see until we get rid of self servers like Mitch on all sides we are (*)(*)(*)(*)ed
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/17/politics/new-debt-deal-pork/

1. RIVER PROJECT

Kentucky kickback?: $2.2 billion. That's the amount in additional cash authorized for a project that involved a dam and decades-old locks on a river that flows through Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's home state of Kentucky. Sounds kinda fishy, but a Democratic senate aid and a Republican senator say it's on the level. The aide tells CNN that McConnell didn't push for the project to be included. And Sen. Lamar Alexander, who's a key figure on the committee that oversees what water projects get what money, says he and another senator asked for the cash. He tells CNN's Chris Frates the new money -- which more than triples the original $775 million -- will save the federal government many millions because contracts won't be canceled due to work stoppages. Still, the Senate Conservatives Fund calls the money a "Kentucky Kickback."

 

but libertarians like me refused to go along the last 2 Presidental cycles and we got plenty of hate mail for it!!

 

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A group that's for smaller government, lower taxes? Yeah, the GOP just popped that out in 2010. Completely new ideas.

 

This is what is so sad about so many Americans on the left. They're so caught up in hating the Tea Party and the right's sort of "ideological purification", that they're blind to how their own party has become increasingly megalithic and unaccepting of views different from their platform.