Breaking news - Arab's greatest fear "Sharon" is dead.

they are tired of war and blood.

that doesn't mean justice was done.

allowing the faux state of Northern Ireland, means accepting colonialism and occupation by foreigners.

 

ill give this one a shot..

the irish are the lost tribes of Israel (according to ronstar)

 

better than the blacks being the Ten Lost Tribes, like you believe.

 

That was the decision of both Unionists and Republicans by overwhelming majorities-the will of the people, just as you suggested.

 

Yeah...basically all religions teach the same things more or less but such things are self evident.

AboveAlpha

 

For the newbies to the thread.

How did Israel get it's land?

"At the end of World War I, some of Palestine's land was owned by absentee landlords who lived in Cairo, Damascus and Beirut. About 80% of the Palestinian Arabs were debt-ridden peasants, semi-nomads and Bedouins.
Analyses of land purchases from 1880 to 1937 show that 73% of Jewish plots were purchases from large landowners, not poor fellahin."
--The Peel Commission (1937)

"The Arab charge that the Jews have obtained too large a proportion of good land cannot be maintained. Much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamp and uncultivated when purchased...there was at the time at least of earlier sales little evidence that the owners possessed either the resources or training needed to develop the land. Jews paid more than $20 million at 1936 rates) to Arab landowners, mostly estate holders."

"In 1944, Jews paid between $1000 and $1100 per acre in Palestine, mostly for arid or semi-arid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre (U.S. Dept. of Agriculture)"
--Land Ownership in Palestine, 1880-1948

According to British government statistics, prior to the establishment of the State of Israel, 8.6% of the land area now known as Israel was owned by Jews; 3.3% by Arabs who remained there; 16.5% by Arabs who left the country. More than 70% of the land was owned by the British Government. (Ottoman Empire land reverted to GB) Under international law, ownership passed to Israel in 1948. The public lands included most of the Negev Desert --half of Palestine's post-1922 total area
--Survey of Palestine, 1946, British Mandate Government

Further UN estimates put the property loses of Jews kicked out of Arab countries after 1948 at 10 times those lost by Palestinian Arabs.
Most Jews in Israel are from Arab countries, not Europe. So the issue of the injustice done TO the Jews of Arab countries BY Arabs is relevant, as are reparations. Not all Jews are white New Yorkers. 60% of Jews are not what you might call Caucasian.

All the way up until 1970 Israel had a policy of repayment or replacement for anyone who could prove his claim. I believe 10% of the refugees used this policy, while others refused.

From 1920 to 1948 Jewish organizations accepted partition plans that gave the Jewish state as little as 20% of the current state of Israel. The Arabs refused.

From the 1850's to 1948, 90% of the land Jews lived on was purchased at high prices from Arabs. The rest was uninhabited land and passed from the British government to the Israeli government, under international law.
In 1948, any Arab that stayed in Israel became Israeli citizens with full rights to vote, form political parties, etc. Most fled, anticipating that the Arab armies would quickly defeat Israel, and they could return home, without being thought of as traitors. Now whose fault is it for leaving?

In 1948 at the creation of the State of Israel, Jews form all the Arab countries were forced out or harassed. The land lost by Jews who fled was estimated by the UN to be worth 10X's that of any property lost by Arabs who fled Israel in 1948. When will they be reimbursed?

In 1948 Jordan expanded its borders and stole the West Bank, a piece that was never part of its borders. In 1967, Israel took it back as a buffer from the combined half a dozen Arab armies that were poised to attack the lone Jewish state. It was expected that Arab states would make peace and Israel would return the land within a few months. The Arab states refused to negotiate with Israel.

The Palestinians who sold their land to Israel made out like bandits.

 

Google biblical Israel. But you are correct if you are referencing an UN sanctioned nation, which does not supersede Gods authority. Neither is a UN recognition as valid to a Covent via God or Gods word/will.

authority.

relevant information

MYTH
“Palestine was always an Arab country.”

FACT
The term “Palestine” is believed to be derived from the Philistines, an Aegean people who, in the 12th Century B.C.E., settled along the Mediterranean coastal plain of what are now Israel and the Gaza Strip. In the second century C.E., after crushing the last Jewish revolt, the Romans first applied the name Palaestina to Judea (the southern portion of what is now called the West Bank) in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. The Arabic word Filastin is derived from this Latin name. 3

Map of British Mandate

The Hebrews entered the Land of Israel about 1300 B.C.E., living under a tribal confederation until being united under the first monarch, King Saul. The second king, David, established Jerusalem as the capital around 1000 B.C.E. David’s son, Solomon, built the Temple soon thereafter and consolidated the military, administrative and religious functions of the kingdom. The nation was divided under Solomon’s son, with the northern kingdom (Israel) lasting until 722 B.C.E., when the Assyrians destroyed it, and the southern kingdom (Judah) surviving until the Babylonian conquest in 586 B.C.E. The Jewish people enjoyed brief periods of sovereignty afterward until most Jews were finally driven from their homeland in 135 C.E.

Jewish independence in the Land of Israel lasted for more than 400 years. This is much longer than Americans have enjoyed independence in what has become known as the United States. 4 In fact, if not for foreign conquerors, Israel would be more than 3,000 years old today.

Palestine was never an exclusively Arab country, although Arabic gradually became the language of most of the population after the Muslim invasions of the seventh century. No independent Arab or Palestinian state ever existed in Palestine. When the distinguished Arab-American historian, Princeton University Prof. Philip Hitti, testified against partition before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, he said: “There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ in history, absolutely not.”5

Prior to partition, Palestinian Arabs did not view themselves as having a separate identity. When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was adopted:

We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds. 6

In 1937, a local Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, told the Peel Commission, which ultimately suggested the partition of Palestine: “There is no such country as Palestine! ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria.” 7 The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations echoed this view in a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947, which said Palestine was part of the Province of Syria and the Arabs of Palestine did not comprise a separate political entity. A few years later, Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, told the Security Council: “It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria.” 8

Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I phenomenon that did not become a significant political movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War



REVA

 

This is one reason why Jews are envied and always single out because of their success.

 

Read it from front to back, a piece of military genius that should be regarded as high as Clauswitz in military lore, however, there is not one piece not one iota regarding ethnic cleansing, provide it in C/P or admit that this propaganda which has been circulating the net via Pappe has no base in reality:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Plan_Dalet.html

No I do not.

It was not organized by the Jewish Agency and it was not a systematic plan, if we are to damn an entire nation as guilty for the actions of soldiers in the field then we not only ignore the realities and stresses of war but the reality of civilian governance.

I am not Jewish myself so I hesitate to speak on your behalf, but the peoplehood of world Jewry goes beyond the cultural and into the historic and genetic and through the denial of the peoplehood of the Jews they argue for the delegitimization of the state of Israel. Do you accept Khazar conspiracy nonsense sir? It is a tell tale sign of overt anti-Semitism.

Taba now, in fact Taba yesterday. Problem is Likud and Hamas got elected. :/

Expending blood and treasure does not make a claim legitimate on its own, legitimacy can only come through a legitimate claim to the land which the Jews have through their founding of all of the cities within and their unbroken presence for 10 thousand years despite centuries of persecution, war, and death; homestead principle.

 

Yes I have, have you read the Aryan Paragraph of the Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service which prevented all Jews from retaining jobs within the public sector and denied them their citizenship? There was no such law EVER passed within Israel, however, the Arab League did pass similar legislation.



(The following is translated from the German version of this page.) Political opponents of national socialism ("Officials who, on account of their past political activities cannot guarantee that they have always acted wholeheartedly for the national state") should either be forced into retirement or let go from their jobs.

Moreover, civil servants should be let go if they started their jobs after 1918 and are unable to demonstrate that they acquired all the training necessary for their careers. These people were called "membership book officials (Parteibuch-Beamte)" in the language of National Socialist propaganda.

According to § 3 (1) of the "First Ordinace for the accomplishment of the Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service," "officials without aryan heritage" were those who had even just one Jewish grandparent (in contrast to the way the Nuremberg Laws of 1935 regarded such people, as "quarter-jews ("Vierteljuden")). They could be let go or prematurely forced into retirement. According to § 3 (2), however, "un-aryan" officials should be left in their positions if they had occupied those positions since a date before August 1914. Those Jewish civil servants who had a son or father who had been killed in the First World War were also spared from being sacked. This loophole also applied to "Frontkämpfer" (Front-line soldiers) (see Frontkämpferprivileg). All persons in the civil service would have to be able to produce the Ariernachweis (proof of Aryan ancestry) in order to prove that they had no ancestors of the Jewish faith. The loophole was closed by the Nuremberg Laws. Jewish civil servants still holding their posts were given notice by 31 December 1935 at the latest.

According to § 6 of the law, civil servants could be forced into retirement without cause "for the simplification of administration". The vacant positions created by this action were not to be refilled.

In rapid succession numerous regulations were dispensed with, as well as many employees and laborers in civil service as well as in the Reichsbank.

Pensions were not allowed for all groups of people forced into the ranks of pensioners by this law. The guaranteed old-age pension was reduced in 1938 by the "Siebente Verordnung zum Reichsbürgergesetz".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_for_the_Restoration_of_the_Professional_Civil_Service#Content


Text of the Law Drafted by the Political Committee of the Arab League
Summary

In 1947, the Political Committee of the Arab League (League of Arab States) drafted a law which was to govern the legal status of Jewish residents in all Arab League countries. This law had already been approved by Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Iraq, provided that, “beginning with a specified date, all Jews – with the exception of citizens of non-Arab countries – were to be considered members of the Jewish ‘minority state of Palestine,’ and that their bank account be frozen and used to finance resistance to ‘Zionist ambitions in Palestine.’ Jews believed to be active Zionists would be interned as political prisoners and their assets confiscated. Only Jews who accept active service in Arab armies or place themselves at the disposal of these armies would be considered ‘Arabs.’” 1

Excerpts of Direct Quotes of the Law drafted by the Political Committee of the Arab League

• “All Jewish citizens…will be considered as members of the Jewish minority of the State of Palestine and will have to register [“within 7 days”] with the authorities of the region wherein they reside, giving their names, the exact number of members in their families, their addresses, the names of their banks and the amounts of their deposits in these banks…”2

• “Bank accounts of Jews will be frozen. These funds will be utilized in part or in full to finance the movement of resistance to Zionist ambitions in Palestine.”3

• “Only Jews who are subjects of foreign countries will be considered ‘neutrals.’ These will be compelled either to return to their countries, with a minimum of delay, or be considered Arabs and obliged to accept active service in the Arab army.”4

• “Every Jew whose activities reveal that he is an active Zionist will be considered as a political prisoner and will be interned in places specifically designated for that purpose by police authorities or by the Government. His financial resources, instead of being frozen, will be confiscated.”5

• “Any Jew who will be able to prove that his activities are anti-Zionist will be free to act as he likes, provided that he declares his readiness to join the Arab armies.”6

• “The foregoing…does not mean that those Jews will not be submitted to paragraphs 1 and 2 of this law.”7

1 Memorandum Submitted to the U.N. Economic and Social Council by the World Jewish Congress. (Jan. 19, 1948 ) Section I. (2) a. June 2, 1948. [ZIIC - This reference is in the document prepared by JJAC and is probably incorrect]

2 Text of the Law drafted by the Political Committee of the Arab League. Paragraph 1.

3 ibid. Paragraph 2.

4 ibid. Paragraph 3.

5 ibid. Paragraph 5.

6 ibid. Paragraph 6.

7 ibid. Paragraph 7. (Paragraph 1 & 2 indicate all Jews must register and disclose personal and banking information and

that bank accounts will be frozen and utilized for anti-Zionist resistance.)



http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Arab_League_Law_Jews.htm

 

speak softly and carry a 7.62 round in bulk.....

or

5.56 NATO:

[video=youtube;3VRrc2n0NXg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VRrc2n0NXg[/video]

 

Let's return to the subject.
Ok, Sharon is dead and Arabs are having a party.
Now what ?
After the celebration is over, will Arabs lift their heads high and increase violence ?
Will Abu Mazen sign an agreement with his neighbors ?
Will Allah bring peace to that area knowing his Palestinian Muslim followers are thiefs and liers ?

 

Allah favors the Kafir, is it not obvious?

 

Once again, for the world's religious bigots and common-or-garden dumbasses- SHARON LOST !

Palestine was recognised as a State on the 1967 borders by United Nations vote on November 29th, 2012, by 138-9.

And here's some further news for neoZionist thieves and Israel's European pseudo-jews;

And don't forget for a moment.........the aim of the ever-expanding BDS movement is to make a non-compliant outlaw Israel as isolated as North Korea.

 

Religious bigots?

Projecting much?

I'm an anti-religious bigot, so FU you Christ punchers and pedophile worshipers!

[video=youtube;KNgkPBOf2Qg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNgkPBOf2Qg[/video]

 

Palestinian Statehood forms a fitting epitaph for the ethnic-cleanser, Sharon, who devoted most of his objectionable life to opposing it. Mark his headstone- WAR CRIMINAL and LOSER .
Then bulldoze it.

 

International Law doesn't recognise mythology and superstition as justification for anything. Try not paying your taxes and see how far invoking 'god's' law gets you in court.

 

No they do not. There's something called 'international law' which you are still not addressing. I refer you to UN Resolution 242 http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/7D35E1F729DF491C85256EE700686136

 

This happens :

The odious lump of meat get buried and maggots have a grand feast .

Oy-vey .

 

good riddance to a sad piece of racist crap.

 

Zionism is not Judaism. Zionism European Jewish nationalism was invented by heretical /non-observant so-called "Jews" i.e. like Herzl's "DER JUDENSTAAT late 19th C. only a few decades before Arab Nationalism.

What learned Rabbis (more knowledgeable than you + I ) said about Zionism.

It would be out of the question to publish all the utterances of Gedolei Yisroel [Torah authorities] during the last century, the period of the emergence of Zionism on the Jewish horizon, because all the Gedolei Yisroel sternly opposed the movement aimed at undermining the Jewish religion and the Jewish essence

•[The Torah] forbids us to strive for the reunion or possession of the land by any but spiritual means

Rabbi S. R. Hirsch


•Not via our desire did we leave the land of Israel, and not via our power will we come back to the land of Israel.

Rabbi S.D. Schneerson


•[Zionists] want a state in order to make Jews into heretics.

Rabbi C. Soloveichik


•The Zionists have attacked the center point of Judaism.

Rabbi V. Soloveichik

The root of Zionism is heresy and its branches can hardly be otherwise.

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Once before the Neila prayer on Yom Kippur Rabbi Avraham Yoshe Freund of Mansod said:

"It is not because they are Zionists that they are evildoers. It is because they are evildoers that they are Zionists."

Rabbi Aharon Roth said:

"It is a miracle that these evildoers don't command everyone to put on tefillin. It is possible that were they to do it, G-d forbid, it may be forbidden to put them on."

The Chafetz Chaim, Rabbi Israel Meir Hakohen said:

"In my opinion it is clear that the Zionists are from the offspring of AMALEK."


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False propaganda that you've bought hook, line and sinker. Israel is an illegal expansionist state. From Plan D through to Operation Cast Lead and beyond, the fascistic Zionist strategy of ethnic cleansing that underpins the creation of the Greater Israel, is indicative of only one people being wiped from the map and it isn't the Jews.

 

Please point out any example of a Palestinian invasion. There's a good chap.

 

OK, you tell me then when was the first peace suggestion - to live side by side with Israel, made by the Palestinians.

 

Ariel Sharon, from warrior to peacemaker - Canberra Times
www.canberratimes.com.au/.../ariel-sharon-from-warrior-to-peacemaker-20140115-30vag.html

I suppose those that Sharon did not trust and war mongered against were all squeaky clean non violent type of citizen...er terrorists? You know, a kinder gentler species of suicide bomber and such? I miss the good old days where when a nation lost a war they LOST it. Well on thinking about it there have always been sore losers who have to abide by the terms set forth by the conqueror. The flip side, the winners get the gravy. Make Israel's gravy kosher. Chop, chop, ya all, the gravy will get cold (ya all = Jordanian refugees ie so called Palestinians).

The translation (of the above) is; A double standard exists favoring everyone but Israel. Sharon was protecting his people. I would agree that he made mistakes some horrible in doing his job. However the same type of awfulness was committed by the foes of Israel too.

reva