a little statistic for gun grabbers

LOL, thanks for proving you have no idea what you are talking about. Name the firearms that stores do not allow background checks on?

 

No... The background check is done by the receiving FFL; the one where the purchaser takes delivery, and is required before the gun is handed over. It goes like this:

1) I purchase a gun from an online retailer.
2) I specify the FFL dealer to which I want the gun shipped.
3) When it arrives, I go to pick it up. I pay the FFL dealers fee, he conducts the background check, and hands me the gun if I pass.

It is apparent that you are just making stuff up as you go along. Why is that?

 

Well, take a look at this. It states, "Such shows also are a venue for private sellers who buy and sell firearms for their personal collections or as a hobby. In these situations, the sellers are not required to have a federal firearms license. Although federal firearms laws apply to both FFLs and private sellers at gun shows, private sellers, unlike FFLs, are under no legal obligation to ask purchasers whether they are legally eligible to buy guns or to verify purchasers' legal status through background checks." Maybe you are not asking the right questions at the gun shows you attend or maybe you have never been to a gun show.

Or take a look at this on just how easy it is to buy a gun without a background check.

 

Thank you for reposting that was printed on an NRA pamphlet. I have read the same thing. But the question is, what happens if a FFL dearler lies on the form or assumes that the background check was done?

 

The FFL dealer must conduct the background check. While there may be some fringe case where an FFL holder will risk huge fines, penalties, loss of FFL, and jail time in order to give some felon a firearm, they really have no incentive to do so. Just so you know, an FFL holder has a significant investment in the FFL. Not just any yahoo can get one. If you have any interest in truth, which I'm beginning to suspect you don't, have a look at THIS LINK to an online gun retailer. At the bottom of the page in red text is the process one must follow to purchase a gun online.

 

I never buy from private sellers at gun shows, only from FFL dealers. Private sellers is precicely where the whole background check falls down. I can sell you one of my guns in my driveway and not even ask for your name. In this scenario, there is no current way for me, a private seller, to perform a background check on you. And there is no legal obligation for me to do so.

Oh, I thought you were going to give me an example of where someone was able to buy a gun in a WalMart without having a background check performed. If you want to change that and instead say that WalMart's background check ARE performed, but are inadequate to catch every nutcase, then I'll concede THAT point.

Well, yeah, pretty much every modern gun is originally legally purchased through an FFL, because there is damn near no other way to get a new gun. What happens to them after they leave the store could hardly be attributed back to the original FFL. I mean, if I sell you a car, and you drive it through a jewlery store window and steal the diamonds, is that crime my fault?

 

Why don't the deaths of those people matter?

 

Who said they didn't?

 

You sound very dismissive about the deaths of 8,900 people. Oh, they were just gang members.... the important statistic is the lower one of 2,200.

 

I dismissed no one. I gave you the stats on who commits gun crimes. And to be honest, screw bangers. You like 'em? Take one home with you. I hope they learn to shoot straight and kill each other instead of the innocent kid sitting on the porch.

 

The Justice Dept through the FBI gathers all official law enforcement records. The CDC numbers, if they do come from the CDC, are simply not accurate. Liberals make up numbers to make political points, there is no need for the right to do the same. The real numbers favor us on this issue. The CDC is not a law enforcement agency. Their contact with local and state law enforcement is marginal. The FBI keeps the real numbers (so far at least) and their record keeping has not been corrupted by the Regime to date.

 

This is truth and common sense. Both are like dead notes in a symphony to constitution hating progressive leftists.

 

I would. I think every rational person would. Although, if you are in the process of raising your bat to hit me, and you have the wingspan of a 6'2 male, I strongly doubt I'll get that shot off.

What does your scenario prove? That guns can be used for self-defense? Do you believe that this scenario means that all gun control measures are wrong? I noticed that you said you asked the questions to "gun grabbers." What does that even mean? There is no threat of a total firearm ban.

 

Do you grasp context? The context of my scenario was referencing the dems who have an aversion to guns on any level. But since you want to discuss gun measures, tell me what law would prevent all gun crimes. What is it the left wants that would satisfy their knee-jerks whenever there is a Sandy Hook? Most of them had/have fits over conceal/carry. I have run into lefties who will actually argue against guns in the home for self-defense. I am quite sure you have seen those types of rants also. Those types of lib-idiots are gun grabbers.

 

You focused on the 2,200 number, because you wanted to argue that gun violence isn't that serious. Except for the gang members, who are expected to act that way. I'm not denying the statistic. I don't even care why they are killing each other. The right question is, how are they able to acquire so many firearms in order to kill that many people?

 

I focused on nothing. I put up a stat form the CDC to hopefully silence the ignorance of gun grabbers. And dying by a gun is no worse than getting beat to death as my father was.

I decide the 'right question' if it is my thread. Criminals will kill. Millions of guns are out there and yet the law abiding citizen kills no one. But if it gives you a warn fuzzy to go after the gun, go right ahead.

 

Very simple....they break the law....or get them from Eric Holder's DOJ!

 

I don't even know why I'm asking, but do you have any evidence for that claim?

 

Of course I do, and you would too if you did your research.

 

Sure, we can discuss that if you want, but perhaps not on this forum as it would be off topic. I'd be interested in seeing what conservative policies you believe could acheive this goal.

You mean unlike the conservatives who think that only threats of consequences (increasing jail time, carrying a firearm, etc) can impact crime rates?

Wow.
A single straw purchaser can supply any number of firearms to any number of criminals over any number of years.
Registration would help the police identify who was purchasing firearms that end up being used in crimes, and stop that straw purchaser from supplying any more. The fact that they could be held accountable would also act as a deterrent to prevent people from committing straw purchases in the first place.

Jus like a conservative to wait until a problem becomes catastrophe.

A tough guy.
You're assuming that a criminal who wants to assault you is going to set an appointment and let you know about it first? You can be locked and loaded all you want, but if a criminal jumps you when you're not expecting it you'd have a hard time playing hero.

 

Nirvana fallacy much?

If there are still people that speed, should we get rid of all speed limits?

 

Sure, it's illegal to straw purchase a firearm... but it's impossible to prove that it happened without registration, so it's unenforceable.

 

If there are people that speed, should we get rid of cars?

 

Good analogy. The obvious answer is "no"; which is why there's a difference between gun control and a gun ban.

 

Instead of throwing a fit, answer the question. Gun laws are about preventing tragedies like Sandy Hook. Are they not? So you tell me what thee ultimate gun law would be to stop that rom happening again. And if I go 35 in a 25 zone, no one will die 99.9999% of the time. Compare apples-n-oranges much?