Did President G. W. Bush and P. M. Harper deliberately use Global Dimming to..

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    .... mask...… to decrease..... to hide.......to postpone......... a general Global Warming trend?

    A second legitimate question is..... within fifty years is it at all possible that we may find out that they may perhaps have had a basically good idea in doing this?



    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=351581


    In alternate time line Mr. Gore wins the 2000 election but negates Global Dimming....



    I personally loved the film "An Inconvenient Truth." I have watched it four or five times at least. It played a huge role in my deciding to join a political party that takes climate change very seriously.

    Largely due to his film I actually put in two submissions for The Virgin Earth Challenge.

    I do have one criticism for his film though..... the diplomacy quotient was extremely low and America is more divided than ever partly because of the flavor of his film.
     
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    A New Mexico biologist and coach has put forward an alternative theory on how best to begin to stabilize the climate that has a number of advantages over a carbon tax or cap and trade system.


    If you like YouTube... I personally did up a video elaborating on his proposal here:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhm7mMa6bX8

    The Greening of the Sahara
     
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_trans.shtml

     
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    So, you're the one?
     
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    Does it matter to you at all that none of the stuff in the film came to pass?
     
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    We have made some positive changes as Mr. Gore advised us to do.

    Also... the film made us North Americans somewhat more humble..... somewhat more willing to admit that there is something wrong with the way that we are doing our economy..... which had the negative effect in 2008 of assisting in making people on Wall Street more jumpy..... but........ humility and asking better questions about where we are going in the future were desperately needed..... and are also having a somewhat positive effect.
     
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    Climate change is a fact of life, and whether it is man made or simply assisted by man, we are past the tipping point.

    Reducing the use of fossil fuels may slow the process, but most corporate leaders know they will be dead before the crisis affects the very rich. So why worry.

    Since conservatives and neoconservatives worship and want to protect the wealth of the very rich, they will continue to deny climate change exists. Greed and stupidity rule this world.
     
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    It may be easier to sell conservatives on projects that turn deserts green than it is to sell them on a carbon tax or cap and trade system.


    http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/17/world/meast/qatar-sahara-forest-project/index.html

    Seawater and solar power grow crops in the desert


    By Daisy Carrington, for CNN
     
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    Any projects that would placate conservatives and neoconservatives must be financed by Big Business, guaranteed to provide immediate profits, and pay low wages to workers.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes…… but if Big Business doesn't watch its ass…………. New Age Communities might just print up Mary Magdalene Dollars or Hours or something like that……….. and start a whole new way of looking at economics….. at least for a significant percentage of the population of free nations?!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...urrencies-finance-films-address-problems.html

    New Age Communities can print local currencies finance films that address problems?!
    At this time I tend to believe that New Age Groups may be the most likely to successfully initiate local currencies and use them to finance film projects in which homeless people could become actors playing the role of homeless people.... .which could easily finance their buying or renting homes????!!!!

    http://www.whatcomwatch.org/php/WW_open.php?id=717
     
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    Yup…. I have gotten so obsessed with the issue of climate change that I focused on it in my 2008 campaign for municipal councillor! (I lost)!

    BankingSystemsFlaws.blogspot.ca/


    There are three primary threats to the quality of life for all of us who live here. High unemployment will probably force most of our young people to move far away to find jobs. Because of government cut backs St. Mary's Educational Centre may be closed as early as 2011. In the near future record high tides may devastate our roads and homes that are only a few feet above sea level. We are being told that there is little that you and I can do about any of these problems but this is simply not true.

    Satellite pictures show rapid melting of Arctic ice but only about ten percent is above water level. Ice occupies more space than liquid water so until now we have experienced rather little ocean level rise. Our situation will be entirely different if and when melting occurs in the massive ice pack on Greenland and Antarctica that sit on land.

    I am in agreement with environmentalist and economist Bjorn Lomborg that a carbon shift policy will probably be ineffective over the short term in combating global temperature increases or in preventing a destructive rise in world ocean levels.

    Two effective methods to combat global warming and simultaneously fight rising ocean levels have been proposed by New Mexico biologist Carl Cantrell.

    Another promising method to green the deserts is to use hydrogen fuel cell technology to power vehicles in the hottest and driest regions of the earth. Imagine millions of vehicles across the Sahara, the Middle East, near the US Mojave desert and in the outback of Australia all spewing harmless water vapor as exhaust! Rest assured humidity and rainfall will increase in those areas and vegetation will grow.

    Last week I wrote a lengthy e-mail to Green Party Leader Elizabeth May. "Ms. May, if you owned a large apartment building and your tenants complained that the rooms were too warm would you listen to the advice of the contractor who was telling you to rip all the insulation out of the walls of this structure?"

    "I don't think that you would because your article indicates that you have a phenomenal intellect and listening to this probably self-interested contractor would be incredibly unwise!"

    "Combating global warming by first getting rid of CO2 is comparable to tearing the insulation out of this hypothetical building. CO2 is not a pollutant. Plants love this compound and some people even seem to feel that the recent greening in some parts of the Sahara Desert is partly attributable to increased levels of CO2. I tend to strongly agree with them in this assertion."

    "Several days ago Mr. Charles Moore informed me that Canada produces roughly only 2.5 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions. Our nation could invest billions of dollars into reducing our carbon footprint and yet all this would have essentially zero effect on the global environment if China and India did not take similar measures.... besides....CO2 IS NOT A POLLUTANT... PLANTS LIVE ON IT AND RISING WORLD OCEAN LEVELS ARE ALMOST CERTAINLY THE GREATEST MOST IMMEDIATE THREAT POSED BY GLOBAL WARMING TO EVERY COASTAL COMMUNITY!!!!!!!!! (E-mail, September 11, 2008)

    Ms. May deserves credit for encouraging Canadian political leaders to take environmental issues more seriously but at this time I feel that she has far too much confidence in the proposals put forward at Kyoto. The skepticism that Prime Minister Harper had for this accord seems to have been based on sound reasoning. Liberal Leader Stephane Dion was wise to hope for more time to further study this complex subject before an election.
     
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    No......

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    I guess there still are some intelligent voters out there.
     
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    Such as?
     
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    Mr. Gore's film is making it much easier for companies to promote various types of green energy.

    http://www.ssb-foundation.com
    Sahara Solar Breeder (SSB) Plan
    directed toward global clean energy superhighway
     
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    Yup…. with only 31 votes in all three campaigns combined….. I think I can term myself one of Canada's Worst Politicians!



     
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    No, kick-backs to Democrats in the Senate are making that happen

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    Maybe you should give it another shot, but hire me as your campaign manager/advisor?
     
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    As a minimum, I guarantee I could double your vote total
     
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    I definitely have been considering your offer!
     
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    Tahuyaman..... what do you think of the idea of Mitt for 2016?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...-idea-gaining-steam-among-his-supporters.html


    Romney 2016 idea gaining steam among his supporters



    I agree with the idea that Mitt could announce his plans to run around Labor Day 2015 and immediately have the lead in the G.O.P. race

    http://hotair.com/archives/2014/08/...hafbp&utm_medium=fbpage&utm_campaign=haupdate

     
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    We will all be dead before the impact is noticed...
     
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    Not if those beings of light who spoke with Howard Storm during his near death experience have any say in the matter.

    http://www.near-death.com/storm.html#a04

     
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    I'm not excited about that possibility. I'd prefer a candidate with more solid conservative credentials. I do agree though that if he did run, he would be front runner initially.

    I think if he ran, the media would just revive their campaign against him anyway. I think the media is almost breathless in anticipation of propping up and going the extra mile in support of Hillary Clinton.
     
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    Sadly they lied..
     
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    Garyd...… I wouldn't be too sure about that........... a lot of things could have happened since back in the '80's when Howard Storm had his near death experience. What he was told about all out nuclear war being prevented sure seems to have came to pass?!



    http://www.near-death.com/storm.html#a04
     

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