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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unless…….. we take a look at the history of central banking policy in the USA …… take another look at the possibility that China and the oil rich nations could decide to join in the abandonment of the USA dollar that the Russians are leading………… and attempt to set up some insurance policies that could well save the dollar from dropping too far too fast?!


    ……
    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...-could-utah-state-dollar-save-usa-dollar.html
    Could a Utah State Dollar save the USA Dollar?
    Have you seen any of the following films:

    1. The Future of Food
    2. Food Inc
    3. The World According to Monsanto.

    If so..... then you know that the USA dollar to some degree is linked to and backed up by a plan to control the world's production of food in such a way that could eventually produce global famine.


    "George Soros says that America must give up the dollar and accept world currency."
    http://www.examiner.com/article/geo...aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582


    Back in 1994 I found out that President Lincoln had saved American taxpayers four billion dollars in interest payments and since that time I have been wondering what alternative was available to improve monetary policy that would not scare the investors on Wall Street.


    "In 1972, the United States Treasury Department was asked to compute the amount of interest that would have been paid if that 400 million dollars would have been borrowed at interest instead of being issued by Abraham Lincoln. They did some computations, and a few weeks later, the United States Treasury Department said the United States Government saved 4 billion dollars in interest because Lincoln had created his own money. So you can about imagine how much the Government has paid and how much we owe solely on the basis of interest." (Melvin Sickler)
    http://www.michaeljournal.org/lincolnkennedy.htm

    A Utah State Dollar could perhaps be the answer!????!!!
     
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    Yes, yours is the typical right wing attitude that ignores future generations. Like the past three Republican Presidential administrations and their spending sprees, they will be long gone when the results of their disastrous regimes must be paid for.
     
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    Obama has added seven trillion dollars to the national debt and there's still two years to go before a responsible president can replace him. You thought that nobody would notice?
     
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    Right-wingers constantly forget that most of the money spent by the Obama administration is due to the debacle of the Bush/Cheney administration and the over-the-top spending of the Republican-controlled Congress during the first six years of Dubya's reign of terror.

    The conservatives'/neoconservatives' rewriting of history always leaves out these important facts. Fortunately, only right-wingers and right leaning moderates believe these flights of right wing fantasy. Rational people remember the truth.
     
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    Leftwingers forget that Obama ran on being a fixer of problems and that leftwingers sold swing and independent voters on the 'fact' that Obama was a fixer of problems and then he gets into office and it turns out that all he really is happens to be a creator of even greater problems. Nobody put a gun to Barack's head and said, "Get us even deeper in debt by seven trillion more dollars or I squeeze down on the trigger." Nope, he decided to do it. He WANTED to do it. Perhaps all those leftwing worshipers of all things Obama in nature should finally get around to asking their Political Messiah WHY he WANTED to get this nation seven trillion dollars (and counting) more in national debt. It would at least be a start of leftwingers learning to be responsible citizens and would make for a welcome change of pace.
     
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    The G"NO"P stymied any and all proposals made by the Obama administration that didn't directly benefit their cronies in the corporate world. Such as the bailout for the crooks running the banking industry that was "too big to fail" thanks to the elimination of anti-monopoly laws by GOP deregulation. The Republicans also championed deregulation that enabled the crooks on Wall Street to screw over small investors and permit insider trading to go unpunished by big investors.

    The right wing wants to lay all blame for the economic disaster caused by the Bush/Cheney administration and six years of runaway spending by the Republican-controlled Congress at the feet of liberals. But that just won't work when documented truth is factored in. Sadly, right-wingers CANNOT accept truth, especially when that truth debunks all of the history rewritten by their heroes in the GOP/TP.

    The many, many right wing posts written here on these message boards proves this.
     
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    So what you are saying is that Barack Obama has been just as bad and just as incompetent as president as Bill and Hillary Clinton WARNED the nation he would be if placed inside the Oval Office? Sweet!

    Both Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton you see had as much or even more opposition than Barack Obama but they were real presidents with a deep knowledge of working politics at a national level and so they were able to reach and strike deals regardless of the opposition. Barack is simply a baaaaaaaaad president. Hell Bill Clinton was still a better president during the endless investigations and impeachment than Barack Obama has been to date. Next time VET a fellow who does absolutely nothing but shriek "Hope and Change!" and gives someone like Chris Matthews all those Obamagasmic leg tingles. Considering what a piece of feces Chris Matthews is, that alone should have made leftwingers halt and think a bit because if Chris wanted to have Barack Obama's next baby then there probably was something big time wrong with . . . the designated Anointed One. You collectively should have taken a look beneath the bonnet.
     
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    Despite the many right wing myths about the Obama Presidency, some of which you just mentioned, the following article addresses the many obstacles thrown in front of him by the G""NO"P as the first African-American President of the United States.

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    President Obama's Terms in Office Have Revealed the Hidden Racism in America

    by Joan E. Dowlin

    There is a famous quote by Fannie Hurst (1889-1968), a successful American writer: "A woman has to be twice as good as a man to go half as far."

    Canadian feminist and former mayor of Ottawa, Charlotte Whitton (1896-1975) took that thinking a bit further: "Whatever women do they must do twice as well as men to be thought half as good. Luckily, this is not difficult."

    After six years of the presidency of Barack Obama, the same can be said of African American males. I have lately been wondering if a white man were in office during these tumultuous times of global and humanitarian crises if he wouldn't be given more slack from the American people. I doubt that the majority of the public would not rally behind him as our Commander in Chief while he made difficult foreign policy decisions.

    We have to remember we are only 50 years beyond the days of Jim Crow, the segregated south and the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

    Many whites, particularly of the older generation, may have subconscious feelings of superiority to blacks. My father, who passed in 2012 at the age of 92, is an example of this. Although, he evolved and supported Obama in 2008 and beyond, I recall him telling me when I was a kid that there were studies that proved that whites were more intelligent than blacks. I never believed it and even at a young age I felt the deck was stacked against African Americans from having learning and economic opportunities.

    But the fact that my dad, a self proclaimed liberal who received a Masters in Economics from the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania and who became a staunch supporter of civil rights in the 1960s, had that belief shows how pervasive that thinking was in the 1940s and 50s.

    When President Obama was first elected there were great expectations placed upon him from both sides of the political spectrum. The right has held him to an impossibly high standard and they seem to blame him for anything wrong that happens, domestic and foreign from the humanitarian crisis on our border to the downing of a Malaysian domestic airliner over the Ukraine by Russian forces to the conflict in the Gaza Strip.

    The leftists also had impossible expectations of him that no human being is capable of, black or white. It's true that Obama promised that he would "fundamentally transform the nation" (a phrase that had conservatives shaking in their boots), but he is not Superman and there were too many changes that needed to be made and there are limitations to the office of the Presidency.

    President Obama has promoted progress in the recovery from the Great Recession of 2008 by helping to create private jobs while lowering the unemployment rate, got us out of Iraq (although that nation is now in peril), is getting us out of Afghanistan, killed or captured Osama bin Laden and many other high level al-Qaeda leaders, passed health care reform, passed Wall Street and credit card reform, saved GM, ended DADT, supported and promoted gay marriage, passed the Lily Ledbetter act and a hate crimes bill, boosted domestic oil production to make us less dependent on foreign countries, and recently passed a VA bill to help Veterans with their hospitalization. I could go on and on. Here is a list of 50 of his: accomplishments:
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/ma...mas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php?page=all

    All of this was done while cutting the deficit in half and spending less than any president in modern history. Which makes me scratch my head when his opponents accuse him of being a "big government spender." It was also accomplished with the least productive congress in history for the last four years after the GOP took control of the House of Representatives.

    So while there are the usual second term scandals (some phony, some not), the botched roll out of the ACA, and the unfulfilled promises of closing Guantanamo Bay, not passing Immigration reform, and not passing background checks on guns, I think history will judge him well.

    I used to think that Democrats were often too quick to use the race card in accusing the right wing of criticizing Obama. Now I think it may be too often be true.

    Many were hoping he would unite the country that has been divided into red states and blue states. However, even though that was his desire, because President Obama is the first African American to hold the office, he has become somewhat of a lightning rod highlighting the issue of race relations in our country.

    For example, there was a great uproar in 2009 when the president defended Professor Henry Louis Gates of Harvard after he was arrested by Cambridge police officer Sergeant James Crowley for trying to get into his own home when he had lost his key. I was heartened at the time to have our leader speak his feelings of understanding the too often familiar ordeal of his academic friend. I was emotionally moved when he had his beer summit with Professor Gates and Officer Crowley and Vice President Biden. I felt at the time it was a step in healing racial misunderstandings.

    Many also felt Obama was out of line for weighing into the slaying of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman in Florida saying, "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon." I found it brutally honest.

    Yet, many will say calls of racism are unfounded because there are conservative black commentators on Fox News and politicians like former Representative Allen West (R-FL) and Herman Cain, GOP presidential candidate in 2012, and Michael Steele, former chairman of the Republican party in 2010 who often unfavorably critique the president.

    I think every one of those prominent black Republicans can thank President Obama because I believe his election has forced the GOP to publicly showcase their conservatives of color to counter-balance the cries of racism against their party. Of course, the Reverend Al Sharpton has also experienced more exposure, having his own show on MSNBC.

    As for the president, I see him as the Jackie Robinson of politics. He has had just as much hatred and personal attacks hurled at him as Robinson and he has taken it all in stride without allowing it to keep him from doing his job.

    I know of no other president who has been called a liar during his State of the Union address, been compared to Hitler and the Joker, been hanged in effigy, lampooned as a rodeo clown, been demeaned in a float with an outhouse saying "Obama's library", had the greatest number of threats to his life than any modern leader, threatened with an unprecedented lawsuit from the speaker of the House and impeachment from some Republicans while he has broken no laws, and accused of using too many executive orders while the truth is he has the second fewest number of any president in the last four decades.

    I also find it particularly disturbing when his wife is targeted by right wing pundits and social media. First Lady Michelle Obama has also been exemplary in her dealing with this unfair criticism. I, for the life of me, don't understand how supporting military families and fighting childhood obesity are controversial issues.

    An under-reported fact is that hate and anti-government groups have grown 813 percent since 2008, signaling a huge backlash to the election of our first African American president.

    These are perilous times here at home and in the world and I for one am glad Barack Obama is our president. I believe his calm and well researched approach to crises has been misunderstood by his opponents. He attempts to solve problems by going to the root of them such as addressing the drug cartels in Honduras and Guatemala by meeting with the leaders of these countries. He works to solve conflicts diplomatically first with sanctions, not rushing into battle.

    History will have the final say on President Obama's legacy. But keep in mind whatever he, a black man, does he must do it twice as well as a white man to be judged as half as good. Luckily for him and us, this is not difficult.

    Joan E. Dowlin
     
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    End of the line, Obama wasn't good enough, wasn't experienced enough to be president and so instead of admit the truth about him his supporters have ENDLESSLY played the Race Card.
     
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    So some of that spending was not the fault of the Democratically controlled senate of 2001-2003 on whose watch we got to the largest spending measure of the Bush years, the Medicare Prescription Plan, The creation of the Department of Homeland security, No bureaucrat left unemployed er No Child Left Behind, and the nationalization of airport security all of which got Teddy Kennedy's official okey dokey and a lot of each was largely written by that same Teddy Kennedy.
     
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    Of course I could be wrong..... but from the research that I did one of the largest flaws in Canadian and American central banking policy is we have set ourselves up to end up bankrupt every five decades or so...… due to the simple way that compound interest adds up.......

    www.BankingSystemFlaws.blogspot.ca/
     
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    Even though it had so many errors in it? Do you really want to claim you love bad science?
     
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    More bad news for global warming catastrophe buffs.

     
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    We humans can only take one step at a time...Â… We can't yet take great big old Hulkster leaps without some sort of technological device to assist us............Â… Mr. Gore's film set the stage for the turning of the deserts of the Islamic nations green which could play a huge role in bringing a genuine peace to the Middle East as well as transform the world economy.

    The following thread is much much more than merely a prayer request... This is something that P. M. Stephen Harper's supporters could well find by a simple google search.... and then they start thinking..... about how this could be a win- win- win- win scenario for virtually everybody involved...Â… with the possible exception of the people who benefit greatly from wars?!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...s-p-m-brokering-jordan-israel-peace-deal.html


    Please pray or meditate on Canada's P. M. brokering Jordan - Israel peace deal?



    I know that many of you pray or meditate so please

    pray that P. M. Stephen Harper initiate a peace deal between Jordan and Israel?

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I am a member of a different Canadian political party butÂ…Â…Â… I have to admit that P. M. Stephen Harper is for good reason regarded as a rather "Davidic" figure by a high percentage of Israelis.

    What he did for Israel back in 2011 at the G-8 was one of the most courageous and wise acts by a political leader that I have seen since I began to watch world events back in the '70's!
     
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    Yes....... but what I have read about Global Dimming seems to give the best explanation as to why Dr. James Hansen's predictions seem to have been delayed........

    If I wasn't truly worried about this........ I would not have put this in front of Pope Francis...........

    Please notice post #4 where I quote AboveAlpha on what is probably coming next as far as climate change is concerned.......


    http://www.politicalforum.com/humor...ut-we-assist-jews-get-rabbi-nachman-back.html
    Dear Pope Francis...... how about we assist the Jews to..........

    ......(post #4).....

    Dear Pope Francis......... a few days ago I got a personal message through this forum...... that I immediately asked if I could post it publicly...... the implications of all this are off the scale.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=394887&page=3&p=1065233621#post1065233621
    Ignorance shown in my 2008 campaign, my apology to Ms. Elizabeth May!
    .........
    Green Party Leader Ms. Elizabeth May.... I just got back a brilliant and scary Personal Message..... that I knew I had to add into this discussion:
    (Emphasis mine)......

    Quote Originally Posted by
    Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    We are in the middle of the nicest winter that I can remember.

    There is basically no snow on the ground except in the forests and where plows left large piles.

    I am loving it.... but we need to take the probable results on the land based Greenland Ice Pack more seriously.

    The West Antarctic Ice Sheet is also especially vulnerable to rapid cracking and sliding because it is below sea level.
     
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    Although artifically replicating the after effects of a volcanic eruption
    will slow down global warming............. we have got to come up with something
    better now that we have had more time to study climate change more fully.


    http://www.livescience.com/18205-ice-age-volcanoes-sea-ice.html

    Volcanoes May Have Sparked Little Ice Age

    ......

    My recommendation is altering central banking policy to make it possible to finance
    large scale desalination of ocean water for agriculture and reforestation.

    Stopping deforestation in the world's rain forests is the least costly opening gambit though.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...t-work-fast-enough-address-wais-collapse.html
    A carbon tax will NOT work fast enough to address WAIS collapse.
     
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    Since we are in a 2.5 million year ice age, what is the 'normal' temperature of earth?
     
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    What worries me is if Dr. James Hansen is correct that the last time that "normal" temperatures of earth
    rose by about three degrees........ ocean levels rose by twenty to twenty five meters over about four centuries.

    We are not quite ready for that to happen again and the time could soon come when the central region of Antarctica
    no longer saves us.

    President Trump did us all a favour to get us out of the silly Paris Accord...... it would do nothing for residents of low lying
    communities for probably at least a century.

    http://www.habtheory.com/1/100.php
     
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    If Hansen is correct his prediction of temperature rise predicted the observed temperature we see now if all CO2 stopped increasing in 2000.
     
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    I had evil intentions though!

    My bad!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...for-25-million-virgin-earth-challenge.371794/

    My two somewhat humorous submissions for $25 million Virgin Earth Challenge.

    ..
     
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    Similar to what AboveAlpha mentioned.... it is probably the frozen methane in the Arctic that has him really worried.

    Strangely enough though...... I am not worried....... .I really do think that President Trump could well have an IQ above 150 and.... he really does make a sincere effort to "hire up."

    I am expecting an astonishing economic miracle to take place in the USA that will turn what can appear to be problems for us right now...... into amazing economic opportunities.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...erm-effects-of-climate-change-logical.454306/
    Is this analysis of the probable long term effects of climate change logical?
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Similar to my questions in the OP............. I really do believe that the time could come when we give both President Bush and P. M. Stephen Harper CREDIT for responding to climate change in a totally politically incorrect manner........
    that just so happens.... TO HAVE WORKED??!!
    ......

    Did President G. W. Bush and P. M. Harper deliberately use Global Dimming to..
    .... mask... to decrease..... to hide.......to postpone......... a general Global Warming trend?

    A second legitimate question is..... within fifty years is it at all possible that we may find out that they may perhaps have had a basically good idea in doing this?
     
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