Iraq: The Bush Legacy

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  1. Marine1

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    Why is it the Left wants to talk about everything but what we can do to help stop the Isis? They have 5 cities now and could be in Baghdad by tomorrow. They are barreling down the desert highway and nobody there to stop them. What better way to hurt them when they are out in the desert, where is is no place to hide, rather than wait till they get inside the cities. But Obama still does nothing. He has had 4 months to plan and act.
     
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    So you bomb ISIS and then what? Are you so keen to create more rebel forces?
     
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    Because this is a sectarian civil war between Sunnis and Shia. A military intervention is not going to resolve the fundamental problem of a government that has effectively excluded Sunnis from power.
     
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    No, it was Bush's war to lose, which he lost on day one, along with the men and women who lost with him who died for nothing, who he lied to. And it's Obama's war to just get the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of there, and let those people continue with their thousand year war.
     
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    I say turn the entire Middle East into a sea of glass but I'm old fashioned

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    Those soldiers didn't die for nothing until about a week ago.

    We had a chance to have an ally in Iraq, that's gone now
     
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    That's not old fashioned... that's simply stupid.. Have you ever been out of the US?

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    OH BS Where have you been for the past 60 years?
     
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    I grew up in Germany and I was joking but seriously hard line Islam has taken over the Middle East since Obama took office.

    Whether or not you think that's a coincidence, fact remains that the whole area needs to be dealt with
     
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    That's not what the resolution says:

    I will also point out that your assessment regarding whether or not Baathist Iraq posed a threat to the national security of the U.S. completely ignores Saddam's track record.
     
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    To be more precise, the clueless anti-Bush narrative that we went to war over Iraqi oil is dumber than dirt.
     
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    When they get there have they decided what they will have for lunch?
    Tell them to make sure they bring a couple spare tires when they go. Those desert roads maybe full of nails.
    If I were Obama I'd be worried about good paying jobs and moving the economy back home. You do know he has to deal with an obstructionist Republican part every day right? Remember, Bush started a war Obama and the rest of the sane people were against. And the other sane one's who were for it were given false information. We had a timetable to get out and Maliki said we would take it from here and didn't want us there. It's there war not ours.
     
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    We, meaning the overwhelming majority of the citizens of the U. S. wanted us, meaning "ALL" of us out of there. That's what we did, and that's what we should continue doing. If Iraq has any sense they do not want us as an ally anyway. Remember, we were the country that sold them biological and chemical weapons so they could murder their own people. With an ally like that, any enemy other than the U.S. is an ally.
     
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    "America will be making only one determination: is Iraq meeting the terms of the Security Council resolution [1441] or not?... If Iraq fails to fully comply, the United States and other nations will disarm Saddam Hussein."

    — President George W. Bush
    November 8, 2002, the day the UN Security Council
    passed Resolution 1441

    "The world needs him [Saddam Hussein] to answer a single question: Has the Iraqi regime fully and unconditionally disarmed, as required by Resolution 1441, or has it not?"
    — President George W. Bush
    press conference, March 6, 2003
    It was dumb to believe Bush, but that is much clearer with hindsight.
     
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    Really? That's a new one. All the people I know voted or approved of the war solely on information of WMD's, that turned out to be a lie. What else did we vote for that we didn't know about beside WMD's?
     
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    [video][vide =youtube;tLteUGkvpOc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tLteUGkvpOc#t=24 [/video][/VIDEO]

    You seem to forget Obama had four months of asking for air power and did nothing
     
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    History written by the far left who control both the media and academia....what will be written 100 years from now when the Bush haters are generations dead?
     
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    Correct. The list was long, submitted to Congress and people like Hillary Clinton voted to go to war.

    U.N. Resolution 1441.
     
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    Doing nothing is the Obama Doctrine..."when in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout"

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    How is killing barbarians creating more barbarians? hat is like saying killing more Nazi's breeds more Nazi's so we should run away from WWII...
     
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    Well there was the oil that they figured Iraqis would happily give to US oil companies.

    But they were pretty hush hush about that reason.
     
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    It is their story line and they are keeping it, regardless of how stupid it sounds to most folk.
     
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    What's correct? He hasn't answered my question yet. What else did we go there for other than lying about WMD's and controlling oil flow?
     
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    What other story line is there? Other than going for WMD's that was a lie and control of the oil flow, what other story is there?
     
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    It's going to be really difficult in regards to G.W. Bush's legacy; all of which will hinge upon decisions made post 9-11 attack. Honest historians will concede that the United States had to strike at someone after the 9-11 assault because to do otherwise would have made the U.S. look like a nation of wimps and push-overs. Had Bush simply hit Afghanistan in the head with a big hammer and then withdrawn and then NOT invaded Iraq he would today be considered an outstanding former president. But hitting and then staying inside both Afghanistan and Iraq for year after year after year? Bad strategy and really, REALLY bad economics.

    You do not create massive tax breaks across the board and then start up and indefinitely maintain two simultaneous war fronts without sinking your nation massively into debt. You can either have massive tax breaks OR go to war for year after year . . . but you cannot do both without creating tremendous economic problems.

    Then there is the war legacy itself. First he handed it off (though not intentionally) to a first term U.S. senator with no meaningful national level experience to speak of rather than to a seasoned politician capable of dealing with the mess in an intelligent manner that would end up being beneficial to the United States and, second, he permanently gave all those myriad of radical Islamic nationalists reason to begin uniting and working together to take us down. That coupled with a Clown Prince as a president (Barack Obama) has ensured that Bush will not go down in history as a president to emulate . . . but, of course, neither will Barack Obama.
     
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    A good President knows how to multi task, to be able to handle more things at once. This one has a one track brain that can only think of making 11 million illegals, citizens. The way he has screwed that up, we'll have half of Central America here by the end of the year.
     

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