- One Nation under God ,-

Was a pretty well established creed until one Barack Obama came along.
President Reagan once warned " if we ever forget that we're one nation
under God,then we will be a nation gone under. "
Which is exactly what Obama intends upon.
let me prove.When Obama gave an address in Indonesia in which he said
the nations motto is E Pluribus Unum NOT " In God We Trust ".
Just like when Obama { Michelle Obama described in 2007 as a Community
Activist } " has repeatedly omitted references to God ,such as " Under God "
in the Pledge of Allegiance and " by their Creator " in the Declaration of
Independence.
" President Obama has a long record of misguoting the nations founding
documents,whether intentionally or accidentally,leaving out ' God '
or ' Creator '. "
This may have something to do with Obama plans to treat the Second
Amendment as if a mere right or priviledge { like operation a vehicle }
Even on the Government Obama White House site there is the claim
that " The Second Amendment gives the right to bear arms. "
Sounds about right ... eh.
Not so fast.As the Supreme Court case explained in { The District of Columbia
vs. Heller } does far more than just give a right to bear arms.
It " codifies " " protects " " Secures " a right rather than " grants " " bestows "
or gives one.
It codifies a pre-existing right of truths that are self evident that ALL men
are created equal and Endowed by their Creator with certain Unalieanable
Rights which include,Life,Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
The very things that make us the apple of the world as far as fairness
and dignity and plain humanity as practiced.
What is this Chicago part time { Visiting Constitutional Professor } up
to now. Treating a " right " as if some " priviledge " like driving a car.
I think so.
What say you ?

 

Which god? There seem to be so many.

Just curious.

 

The US is a secular state.

 

Mormon are the true American religion. The Israelites traveled here before Columbus.

 

The God of the Old and New testament. The God of ALL Christians.
Not someone worshipped as a god { Buddha }.
Maybe Yahweh if a jewish scholar.
In Hinduism the word Brahman { which is more a metaphor instead a proper noun }.
depending on the age and sophistication of the Religion God may be referred to as
" Almighty " or " Incomparable ". As " All Powerful " or All Wise "." All Glorious " or
" Gracious "
In Islam " Allah " is the most freguently used even though there are different
names used to refer to " Allah "such as Rahman.
Jehova if a Jehova's Witness.
Elohim if a Mormon.

 

The why did the Founders specifically introduce God or Creator into our
founding documents.

 

Foolardi..........it's all been done before.........many times. The guy who wrote this saw a lot of waste in Afghanistan.........over 100 years ago.



The Gods of the Copybook Headings






AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.

We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.

We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.

With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."

On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death."

In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."

Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

 

If you insist that this is the only nation under god, your god looks very selective about his "creations.

If this nation is under your "god" he's doing a lousy job....why is he so inept? So flawed? So irresponsible?

If you think "under god" has done ANTHING please provide proof

 

Whadda expect from closet Mooslims? Makes me want to hurl in the direction of the Mecca.



OMG. That should be the new quote of the year! Makes me want to hurl in the direction of Mecca!

 

No such thing as a true American religion.Religion is what it is.
A practice.A belief.
Forgetting not that a belief is not true because it is useful.
" Man is a religious animal.He is the only religious animal.He is the only
animal that has the True Religion -- several of them.He is the only animal
that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't
straight. "
- Mark Twain { The Damned Human Race }

 

You do realize that God gave mankind Free Will.
What and how man does with this gift only afforded Man { the rational animal }
is what we will ultimately be judged upon.
" God does not throw dice. " -- Albert Einstein

 

If "under God" in the Pledge is so important, why did the Pledge not have it for the first 60 years it existed? We win WW1 and WW2 without "under God" in the Pledge, why would we need it now?

Also, if "In God we trust" is such an important motto, why did our country to nearly a century before it even showed up on money?

 

Thank you for admitting that being "under god" has absolutely no meaning whatsoever.

 

So where did our right to revolt against England come from?

 

Not from some imaginary being who gave men FREE WILLL........

 

That's not what the Founding Father's asserted.

They asserted that right came from the Creator. God-given inalienable rights.

 

You must be preaching to some other.I never said a thing about " gods " or
" God's ".
" The gods are dead,but in their name
Humanity is sold in shame. "
Robert Buchanan { The New Rome }

 

One Nation, Under God: America is a Christian Nation, You Aren't a Real American if you Don't Believe in God?!!

A basic belief for the Christian Right is that America is a 'Christian Nation.' This belief is one of the most important foundations of every other position they advocate. So long as people believe that America is a 'Christian' nation, it should be easier for them to get the government to adopt laws which are based upon or which promote specifically Christian beliefs or doctrines.

Schools are an important component of their efforts to encourage this belief. Christian schools teach the doctrine outright, but secular public schools cannot -- at least, not yet. For the time being they can only promote a very vague sort of theism which the courts turn a blind eye to by pretending that it's no longer truly religious.

The Pledge of Allegiance, with it's added phrase 'under God,' plays a significant role here because every day most children recite what amounts to a patriotic affirmation incorporating a religious oath. In this manner children are encouraged to see patriotism and theism as essentially linked. Since most tend to come from at least a general Christian background, the Christian god is the only sort of god they'll have in mind when they say or hear 'under God.'

Even if children do not actively and consciously believe that patriotism requires theism, that America is specially blessed by God, or that Christianity is America's defining religion, the attitudes and assumptions necessary for such beliefs will be inculcated over years of repetition. When they are needed, they will be there and they will be ready to exploit.

This image is based upon a World War II poster stating that 'Teaching is War-Work, Too.' I have replaced the original text with advocacy of the concept that America is a nation 'Under God' and that you can't be a real American unless you believe in God.

By Austin Cline

 

They may have asserted it , they never proved it.
And the idea that America wouldn't have existed if certain words like "god" weren't spoken or written down is totally absurd...

A believer swears your god has NO responsibility because he gave humans free will.....you guys should make up your minds...one says no influence by god and you say it was necessary...

 

As in Self-Evident Truth.For one to engage successfully in Thelogy or
Philosophy,they must first study :
First Truths.Or First Principles { ab initio }

 

No you don't understand the argument.

The reason that our Founding Fathers had to assert that God provided them inalienable rights is because otherwise they would have had no justification for breaking away from England. They had a rule structure that was passed down by a sovereign and agreed upon by a legitimate parliament. The laws which they may have disliked where completely legal.

They had NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to revolt under the system they were under. Why do you think they even wrote the Declaration of Independence?

If your rights are not God-given and they are not inalienable, then the legitimate government that rules over you has every ability to strip you of those rights at any given time they so choose and you have no logical recourse in the matter.

 

I tell ya what Pally.Give us another proper name that has been used as
much as the Proper noun { God } since time immemorial.
That should easily take you the rest of the day.And then admit failure.

 

Yes, the Founding Fathers, well-aware of the inherent depravities of theocratic rule, certainly established it as such.

"The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." John Adams, Treat of Tripoli, 1797.

Needless to say, patriots must stand strong against the nefarious factions that would impose any particular gods upon the People whilst asserting a divine right to do so.

 

The Declaration of Independence seems to indicate otherwise.

 

That's so hilariously goofy I just...I just don't know........ a mythical creature was need to form a country....if you believe that then nothing anyone could ever say will change such silly beliefs