Medicaid increases by 10 million since ObamaCare rollout

Ah, I see. So, the wellness plans help mitigate limb amputation in case of an accident?

Pure, unadulterated Liberal idiotism, as usual

 

The language of a man with nothing, nada, sqwat to offer.
I thought you were done with me Dutch.
Back for some more punishment? Oh goodie.
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Ha Ha Ha, this saying of yours should be framed and children should be shown this in schools as a fine example of how Liberal mind works:

"Because wellness plans help mitigate catastrophes"

How can I be done with you when you're so funny? Merry Christmas

 

Now my desire to not be burdened by others perceived "rights" is hateful.

Whatever.

I am tired of being responsible for everybody else. I don't care anymore. I don't care about the sad stories, the victimization, the excuses... I don't care anymore. I am not responsible for anybody but myself and my family.

 

Collectivism nonsense.

This is why I call you a liberal.

Collectivism sucks, and is the prime reason for the entitlement mentality and lack of personal responsibility around us.

You think you are helping, but you are just making it worse.

 

How dumb must you be to not understand catching prostate cancer early means not only can the cancer be dealt with and removed, the cost isn't too bad. Indeed, Merry Christmas

Allowing the cancer to spread means catastrophe. Catastrophe meaning, in this instance, hospitalization, expensive drug therapies, likely a few surgical procedures, many doctor's visits and follow-ups.

Why wouldn't we...
Pay for a yearly exam to mitigate the high costs of conditions unseen or untreated.
Pay for a yearly exam so the doctor can advise one on lifestyle changes that must be made to maintain good health (and keep costs down)

There's really nothing that complex about it.
yes.... Wellness plans help mitigate catastrophe.
They should be included in Medicare.

Now for self insurers... catastrophic plans are available.
You have your choice. And that's cool, because you are paying for your neglect, not me.

Anything else I can clear up for you Dutch?

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From everything you have written in this thread, your issue isn't with collectivism or even liberalism -- there's just more gaseous ideals.
Methinks your issue is dealing within the confines of reality.
This would certainly explain why you offer no policy to support, only things to oppose.

When one can discount reality, one need not look for solutions.
Others can do the heavy lifting and you get to still moan.

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Thank you for splaining tis all to me... In my simpleness, I thought you've meant any catastrophe can be prevented by wellness plans. Very gracious of you to come back and make it all clear Keep'm coming

 

Agreed. I have never suggested I put the group above the individual. I don't.

What I do understand, however, is that my individual liberty can not exist in a vacuum when I have 312 million neighbors.

You are simply re-labeling pragmatism, with a label that is derogatory to you. This allows you to easily dismiss what is being said in order to keep within your ideal rather than operating within the confines of reality.

How's that been working for ya?
You seem a little frustrated.

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No see, Dutch. We're talking about medicare and the ACA in this thread.
Hence the terms should be defined within this realm.
You need to slow down. You have to many fires going at once. Too many attacks in too many sub forums.
That way you can absorb knowledge and not post on the fly and come off as dumber than you believe you are.

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Except for the ACA.

 

being intentionally obtuse is their trademark, eh?

 

Well, I did ask you a serious question, to which you've chosen to reply with song and dance; hence in my book you merit no serious discussion. Shoo.

 

How can prostate Cancer be caught early when the USPSTF considers testing a waste of money and Obama Care insurance won't pay for it?

 

Good for you. Whether you know it or not, the problem of responsibility is being fixed through ACA. Much more than before ACA. It's up to you to believe what you want to believe.

 

If you were to actually read my posts with comprehension you would know that I don't support the ACA because I put the group above me as an individual.

I understand the present reality and am looking to save money and preserve the order in the market that helps enable my personal liberty.

Liberty, for me, also includes being able to fund the things I have the will to do. Liberty is more than just a hollow buzz phrase for me. I seek to protect it in ways beyond just embracing the notion ( ideology.)

That doesn't make me a collectivist. That makes me pragmatic and fiscally prudent. Macro level. Is that level of thinking truly that difficult for you?
or don't read actually read my posts?

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Unfortunatly those jobs are not going to be even close to enough to replace those jobs lost and those that will be increasingly lost to automation.

 

You always tell me to shoo when confronted with an answer that doesn't jive with your reality.
I diodn't song and dance in the slightest.
I explained that the cost of wellness plans in Medicare mitigate the costs of catastrophe when discussing heath care.
NO SONG. NO DANCE.
Gave you a real life example that makes undeniable sense.
That's why you feel the need to shoo me. You have no comeback.
We're all following your navigation.
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So you don't actually think preventative medicine can reduce severity and costs of illnesses. Guess saving money for future needs is silly in your opinion too. Live one day at a time without thinking or planning for the future is your idea of a logical approach?

 

You erroneously suggest that only PSA can detect prostrate cancer.
Do a little reading on PSA testing and you will find out that

Why would you desire to waste taxpayer dollars by using such an ineffectual test?

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It certainly isn't a conservative approach.
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The fact is that the majority of these people qualified for Medicaid and didn't know it. ( as previously posted by another participant). We would have paid for them anyway, as we do for anyone who was on Medicaid already.

The issue with Medicaid is the availability of (qualified) medical professionals or lack thereof. Many doctors have removed themselves from the list of Medicaid providers because it pays terrible. That is what I am hearing from professionals I know personally.

 

Absolutely can! It does not, however, mitigate catastrophes, not in near future anyway. So, tell me again why a young stud in his twenties need any other than catastrophic life insurance, other then to pay for the old folks prostate surgeries? Granted, its a noble cause but is a social program, not something that young lad must have.

 

You were saying?


Dec 23 2014, 01:02 PM
mjz replied to a thread Medicaid increases by 10 million since ObamaCare rollout in Current Events
This is the biggest reason I support the ACA. I tire of paying the freight for those who have no clue what their insurance actually covered Except that you die before you can even come close to paying off a fraction of cancer treatments.

Life can be hard when you talk out of both sides of your mouth.

 

Here's a little riddle for you that I've initially asked that you've chosen to give me song and dance other then coming up with an answer to my question -

Obamacare claims to have signed up 8 Mln new subscribers. At the onset of Obamacare, approximately 5-6 mln individual policyholders lost their policies due to Obamacare. Now, the question is, how many of these individual policyholders who had to purchase new individual policies either through exchanges or directly, were counted by Obamacare as new subscribers?

If you do not know, there's no shame in not knowing so just say so - I do not know the answer myself but have pretty good idea.

Just do not give me some righteous song and dance bull(*)(*)(*)(*) on how good Obamacare really is for me.

 

So you change the parameters when to fit your reality? Who qualified wellness paying for itself to only near term... ahhh.... you.
And the ACA indeed does offer a catastrophic only approved plan.

But if we want to limit the discussion to just medicare see if your bulb burns bright enough to get this..

He wouldn't. If I am paying for it, however, I want him in the risk pool to spread risk and get costs as low as possible for all of the people in the medicare group.
D'uh.
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