Medicaid increases by 10 million since ObamaCare rollout

Dood. I've answered it no less than three times.
None.
Independent polls shows that when one compares those insured in Q3 of 2012 vs those insured today is about 15 million more.
Obama claims 8 million new. It allows room for the 6 million that may have been counted because their policies were cancelled plus population growth.
I keep giving you the EXACT same answer.
No Song.
No Dance.
Even gave you the link to the polling.

I can't help you can't add.

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You learn that editing from fox news.

The words you cut out were

Yes. I tire of paying the freight for those who chose to ignore their poersopnal responsibility. IT COSTS ME MORE.
I like having the money to enjoy my personal liberty.
That's not collectivism.
Or do you have so many angry irons in the fire you forget what I was responding to?

You suggested I support the ACA for Collectivist reasons. Collectivism means putting the group in front of self.

You got nothin do ya?

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This is true. I have three friends who are primary care physicians. They report the same thing. I wonder if more and more doctors refuse to participate in medicare if some pressure will be put to bear on the drug makers and equipment manufacturers to start to reel in there obnoxiously profitable business models to regain volume?

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So according to you, "Obama claims 8 million new. It allows room for the 6 million that may have been counted because their policies were cancelled", which leaves about 2 million new new subscribers while the rest went to Medicaid... much ado about nothing

 

You're busted. Deal with it.

 

You keep referencing this "reality". Talking about how it's my responsibility to develop a policy to fix other people's problems... blah blah blah.

I think we can just end the conversation here.

You think I should be responsible for other people, because in your reality, collectivism fixes all. We will just have to agree to disagree.

Surely you can see

 

You don't believe in collectivism policy, but you support it because we live within a society. Right?

Sounds like double speak to me.

You do realize that for a couple hundred years, the only collectivism that existed were in place to undertake infrastructure and defense, right? All of these social programs, that never seen to grow on size and scope, weren't around.

We seemed to do pretty good as a country without your version of reality.

 

Sorry, I refuse to let you get away with it.
I gather you are used to people just giving up as you deny them to death.
Won't happen with me.
I find you full of nothing and will call you out on it incessantly.
Get used to it.


According to polling 15 million more people have insurance than in Q3 2012.
Yet Obama claims 8 million.
This allows 6 million that had policies cancelled and population growth.
At the very least *** ( EIGHT MILLION MORE PEOPLE HAVE INSURANCE TODAY THAN BEFORE THE ACA CAME TO BE.****

I get that you can't accept it, but you've asked it and I've answered it 4 times now.
You won't be allowed to brush it off by simply demonstrating poor math skills and posting ROTFLMA icons.
Put your big boy pants on.
We're talking about policy.

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Troll.
With nothing.
Wasn't even a good try.
run along now
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NO, I just happen to think if my coin is being spent, it should be spent ina fiscally responsible way.
That used to be a conservative value.
Until you decided reality was less important than ideal.


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Wrong. I support the policy because it makes fiscal sense. Because I can see the macro picture.
I thought by now we could get past it and begin to craft some policy to get people off of assistance.
But folks like you are stuck. You have been feed a line of BS as to what it is and why people support it.

You do realize that collectivism means putting the group before the individual, right?
Because it seems to me that you are confusing it with a political system called communism.
My version of reality has nothing to do with some leftist ideal of putting the group ahead of the individual.
I've been writing the same thing for 35 pages.
I can't help you just chose to ignore what I write.

You present as someone who has their own version of reality and will do what it takes to ensure it is not threatened.
You want me to like the ACA becasue I'm some leftist who doesn't believe in personal liberty.
And you couldn't be more off.
You brush up on John Locke yet.

I'll tell you once again that I support the ACA for economic reasons.
And that supporting the ACA does not mean I will not continue to lobby my representatives for policies that get more people off of assistance.

You want to have a policy discussion, cool.
If you want to just keep assigning reasons for my support of the ACA, cool.
But you come off as kind of silly.

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Florida uses an HMO model and major health insurers signed on and manage to get me to see everyone I need to see with only delays in care like insured people, they made Medicaid work but there is a trade off besides my primary care I have to see who they tell me to see for what treatment is agreed is best for me. I lose choice and options but can tell them my preferences and can refuse care say I got cancer and it was advanced I could opt out and ask for Hospice Care instead of aggressive cancer care.

I feel that is fair since its Welfare.

(Again thanks to taxpayers for helping me with this and other benefits I get.)

 

I keep talking about reality because the REALITY is that there are millions of people who didn't and still don't have insurance.
This costs society untold billions. Whether I am a liberal or a conservative -- it costs us billions.

The REALITY is we pay the cost of the under and uninsured's care in inflated rates.
You acknowledged this a few pages back. I thought you might actually be able to talk policy.
I was apparently wrong.

I choose to accept the reality and look for solutions to lower my cost.
Work within the confines of reality.

You chose to talk about liberty. Tell us that by saving money with the ACA we are encouraging laziness and adding to the problem.
Yet you offer nothing to back up your assertion.
And have never offered any policy that you think is better and would get people off of public assistance.
You have yet to go on record as to whether you would deny care.
And what that might look like.
You don't discuss policy.?
You talk about ideals.


I chose to protect my liberty by dealing with the issues in the here and now.
And I have supported policies to do just that.

What have you done to ensure your personal liberty?
What policies do you support?
How are you protecting your personal liberty?

that's the REALITY... blah, blah, blah I keep referencing.
It goes way beyond rhetoric.
You got anything?

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Is it to personal to ask how you got to medicare and why?
There has been much talk in this thread that folks on medicare are irresponsible.
Are you able to give us a real world example?

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So, according to you, 15 million more have insurance now, of which number 8 million signed up with Obamacare and 6 million lost insurance and resigned which roughly accounts for 15 million more that now have insurance - this is what you've said above.

What the (*)(*)(*)(*) has happened to the 10 million freshly minted Medicaid enrollees... should we add them on top of 15 million, making it into 25 million (what the heck), or deduct them from 15 million, admitting 6 million people who lost their policies somehow got statistically lost too, or what?

Please do not let me get away wit it now... enquiring minds wants to know what happened to the 6 million canceled policies and how were they accounted for

 

You keep burying these folks, and I do mean burying them, and they keep jumping right back in the fire. It's amazing! Your posts literally have exposed this crowd for who and what they are. They have no health care solutions of their own, they are all about hating the poor as if they are the cause of the problem, and they whine about liberty and freedom as if our original health care system has always given it to them in the past, and that they only paid for themselves. They haven't a clue that our original health care system would have eventually fallen, if we hadn't done something.

 

No, not according to me. According to Gallup.
We're both mixing data points from various sources.
including medicare enrollment
not including medicare enrollment

Here's the easiest way to see it....
The graphs in this article.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/172403/uninsured-rate-sinks-second-quarter.aspx

I have posted it before.
It is clear you haven't read it.

You will see the spike in Q4 2013 -- there's your cancelled policies.
Look where the un-insured rate was in Q2 2014.
It's even lower now.
Will be even lower after year 2 enrollment ends

Compare it historically.
Look at it partitioned in age groups.
See where people get their insurance

It is clear, in data provided beyond the whitehouse, that the rate of those un-insured is dramatically falling.
This is a good thing.

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What do you mean by "the 10 million 'freshly' minted Medicaid enrollees"? Do you have some knowledge that 10 million just signed on lately?

 

It is amazing, isn't it?
You are right... it's not like what was in place was the slightest bit sustainable.
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The only thing he has to support his contention is the title of the thread.
He hasn't ever posted supporting data about... well... anything.
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Medicaid, well I was born with cerebral palsy and it affected my body ,corrected to some degree by surgery on my legs, and it affected my mind its not wired that well I guess one could say I can function well IF I minimize stress and keep my life as simple as I can with drugs to help but if you toss me in a workplace to multitask I'm lost. But I worked when I could find work and both on the books and off for under the minimum wage when that is all I could get. I did develop some skills in music (playing folk music instruments) and could do simple crafts to. But never had proper medical care and was diabetic early onset, its a trait my mother had, and well it ravaged my body.

My current state is my left hand is palsied to around 20% normal function, my right hand 85% and holding with physical therapy and injections of Botox, my eye sight is deteriorating but slowly, I have constant pain (hospital levels 3 on a good day to 7 on a bad one then I take pain pills to sleep) from nerve damage in my hands and feet, my hand stamina is poor and other issues for example muscle loss of leg strength (I use a power wheelchair). An aid comes in to help me take meds and do hygiene since my hands are not good for that for example sponge bathing, doing my hair and other tasks which I need done for two hours a day. The HMO providing for the care the state gives them more money due to my level of disability.

So now need SSI which I got on my first appeal level and not before a judge. The SSA sent me to a doctor even he said I was unemployable to the standards set that is be able to earn $1070 a month working, noted severe loss of hand function and overall mobility was low with no chance of improvement. That if one knows is very uncommon so I figure they determined I can't work then I can't work. And with that I got Medicaid and in the HMO which is doing a good job and SNAP under the SSI program. And I get the government phone through that program. Charities help me to I get a nice support around me and a social worker to coordinate things since I have trouble with that and is of great value to me.

I don't want to be on this support but what choice do I have but I'm grateful I live in a society that will help me like this using government programs the taxpayers pay for. No one really on it that needs it wants it, and I'm more than grateful to the society I live in to provide for me these programs.

 

I posted your prior quote in the subject. You're one confused kid. The only one trolling is you.

 

Here is what you did for the forum and the mods to see.

on 12/25 at 2:00pm in post #419 I wrote: (bolding, mine)

1/2 hour later in post #498 you "quote" me this way...

And then, in the same response, quote a post of mine from Dec 23 2014 at 01:02 PM, this way. (Red color yours)

all so you could write...

So you took one of my quotes and cut out words so it appears as if I said I do NOT support the ACA
And put it against a quote where I obviously write that I do support the ACA.

500+ posts into this thread, all I have been doing is explaining why I support the ACA.
Started in post #3.
More than a few times in direct response to you.


When called upon it you cry...

textbook.

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Move to Medicaid: Nearly 10M enrolled since Obamacare launch

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102284433

Do you trust PMSNBC? Of course you do, they are YOUR people

 

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102284433

Move to Medicaid: Nearly 10M enrolled since Obamacare launch

Do you trust PMSNBC? Of course you do, they are YOUR people

 

I think even the most hard core person against the ACA and medicare/medicaid expansion -- even those who rail the most about an "entitlement society" are glad you have the benefits that you do. Thank you for sharing a very personal condition so that we may all get a real life perspective.

Around these parts you are no more handicapped or enabled than the rest of us. Post on !

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According to the source you use, there was an increase of 15 million in the total insured, of which 10 million were added to Medicaid, 8 million signed for Obamacare and somewhere in between 6 million people with canceled policies re-subscribed and again were counted as new subscribers (according to you). Do you see my confusion? And your colorful explanations how we Conservatives must accept responsibility or how good Obamacare really is good for me does not help. I guess, if I was studying math the way Libs teach it I would, but I do not.

Please do not give up on me and try to splain the numbers to me?