Medicaid increases by 10 million since ObamaCare rollout

Typical right-wing spin; http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/02/26/conservative-media-echo-misleading-gop-claim-on/192809

 

typical.
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2+2 =4 would be a better place to get started I think. That's a little too complicated for some to understand when you are just beginning to learn basic math.

 

"freeloaders" for the right are merely re-enfranchised Persons in our republic for the left. It is what social safety nets are for whenever Capitalism fails to promote the general welfare through economic booms.

 

Typical left wing lies.

 

No lie. Your words. Eat them.

 

My words edited, you mean.
You have been schooled.
You are welcome.
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I'm on Traditional Medicaid through SSI, getting it without a judge hearing on my first appeal which is only done for those with clear disabilities that are not going to get better and make "meaningful" levels of employment impossible so its a strong determination as to disability. But I agree its welfare and won't try to argue it isn't just in my case everyone agrees I should be on it.

ACA expansion and the subsidies are also welfare, and from what I can tell not fully funded and the savings from reforms are not likely going to be much since no one wants to say NO to people, in Florida they did I can pick my primary care provider home (The Community Health Centers) and after that if I need care they decide who and what treatments I get in the HMO. But beggars can't be choosey I get good care and am grateful.

So I would agree with the original poster being skeptical is proper I don't know how this broader coverage will be paid for long term.

 

Well I agree, being skeptical is always prudent.
It should motivate us to look deeper.
The problem is, no one seems willing to look deeper.

A deeper look reveals the headline is simply not true.
There are 10 million more people on Medicaid since the inception of the ACA.
But that is not BECAUSE of the ACA.
The reality is without the ACA only 17% less would be on Medicaid.

The ACA did not create the need for Meidicaid.
The enrollment into Medicaid has been on the upswing for a generation.

Yes, perhaps there are some freeloaders, but surely, just as certain, there are people who would rather not be on assistance but can't find a job that pays enough to buy their own insurance.

Our economy is broken. And that's not the fault of the ACA.
Our population growing older and poorer was happening long before Barack Obama took office.

The 17% additional added is a good thing.
It means the cost of health care for those who can not afford it will not be passed onto everyone else in inflated rates.
It is far less expensive to pay for the insurance than to pay for the catastrophies.

I do not want to expand welfare.
I want to work on policies to get more people to work -- at sustainable pay.

But the far right has done a tremendous job these past 6 years not working on ANY policy.
They want us to believe this is because of their issues with the ACA.

But the truth is they owe their seats to the big money that got them there.
And the big money wants nothing to do with new policy to get people off of assistance.
For it is waaay more profitable for them to have you and I pay for the catatrophe than pay their labor something sustainable so they could buy their own insurance. And frankly, I am not naive enough to believe this condition is much different between political parties.

We should be talking about getting private money out of the election process here in America.

instead... look at what we ARE talking about.
And how we talk to one another.

We owe this to the media. Also owned by big money.

Wake up people.

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No they weren't. That quote from you is verbatim. You have been proven a liar.

 

Unreal.... you have lost track of what you even accused me of.

NO kidding I support the ACA. You are so turned around you don't even realize you based your original premise that I flip flopped by editing a quote to make it look like I did NOT support the ACA.

So you can keep on posting verbatim quotes where I say I support the ACA. BECAUSE I DO AND ALWAYS HAVE. There are probably 40 of them in this thread.

How about this? Re-post the quote where I say I do NOT support the ACA. You know... the one where you accuse me of being a flip flopper because I said I did not support the ACA.

Come on. Dare ya.

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So you DO support collectivism. You said you didn't. Which is it flip-flopper?

 

Yo sunshine.

I support the ACA for macro economic reasons, not because of a collectivist ideal.

I can see you are now trying to save face by pretending that collectivism = ACA.
I would have that debate with you -- except you don't want the debate.
You want to save face.

Come one man.... where's that post where I said I did not support the ACA?
Show us how you ARE able to follow your own logic.

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I just know he is going to post the edited sentence again to go around the circle again, right?
What he doesn't get is I'll tie him up in circles as long as he wants.
I think publican is used to wearing people out by traveling circles.
Not this time.

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Still a flippin' and a floppin'. Now you support the ACA for some horse-hockey contrivance yet still agree that it is collectivism. The room must be spinning where you are lefty. Only a leftard would not call the ACA collectivism.....you need an education. Not that common core crap you've been weaned on.............

col·lec·tiv·ism
kəˈlektəˌvizəm/Submit
noun
the practice or principle of giving a group priority over each individual in it.
the theory and practice of the ownership of land and the means of production by the people or the state.

 

Come on man, you can do better than that.
Post the quote where I said I do NOT support the ACA.
The longer you take the more exposed you are.
Hurry!

Post the quote where I said i did NOT support the ACA.

Or you could just do what you always do...
Keep posting about posters rather than topics to get your posts removed so no one sees how you operate.

Hurry.

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Come on man. Every moment you wait people will get insight into your psyche.
Hurry.........

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You said you do not support collectivism. The ACA is just that. I gave you the definition.

You want to go running for help? I'm posting about your posts and your duplicity. I've used your own words. Don't get mad at the messenger. Man up.

 

omg... everyone will know :gasp

 

ahahhahahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahhahhahhahahahah

Nice try. Still trying to pretend this is all about the ACA = Collectivism.

Come on publican.
You have been called out.
Post the quote where I said I did NOT support the ACA.

That's what our little back and forth is about.
You know it. You know I know it.
Anyone reading the exchange knows it.

You are exposed without that quote.
Come on man... Hurry!

Post the quote where I said I did NOT support the ACA.

That's shouldn't be difficult, right?

I'll wait seven minutes to give you ample time to find the quote and use the quote function.
In 3,2,1.... go!

 

That's exactly what this is about. You love the very thing you said you hate. You spew about liberty and the individual yet you cling to the govt teat and the collectivist ideal. And I don't know what that first word is at the top. Can you help?

 

translation.... I got nothing. I was called out and can't save face.

These exchanges WILL be deleted.
Sorry for the extra work, Mods.
This is what you are hoping for.
Just like the last time you were challenged in this very thread for lying.

After the deletion, you will be protected from new people seeing your childish behavior.
Just know that I know and every one who followed this exchange knows --
You do not approach this forum with anything close to integrity.
You are troll personified.

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I understand. You had nothing from day one hence you running for help.

 

You like that editing of quotes don't ya publican?
Come on man, post the quote.


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What an awesome post. You know, once upon a time we had a 10% unemployment rate when Obama just took office, taking care of a bunch of lazy people. Now that number has dwindled down to 5.8. And not all those jobs are high paying ones. Imagine that; a bunch of lazy people all of a sudden taking on low wage jobs when they could be working the system, instead of being employed.

And you are right. Until we get money out of the hands of both parties, the poor without a job might as well keep working the system, because it really is all they have. They have no voice in the political process, because it is rigged on both ends. Big money owns us and the media. And what big money loves the best, is to see you and I at each others throats every day, while they go out the back door with the stash. Never forget our Roman friend Julius Caesar; "give them bread and circus" and we keep the wealth, by keeping the masses busy. That's all it takes.

 

The man has buried you alive so many times I lost count. And you still choose to act the fool.