Its become clear that Israel will never abandon the West Bank and will never give citizenship to its non-Jewish inhabitants. should we therefore dismantle Israel and turn into a secular democracy, rather than see it become an Apartheid state?
No. If the UN went in and dismantled the state, we know there will be an attempt to preserve Israel. That's going to cause more bloodshed in the end. Better for international sanctions or Israel changing its policies.
And Congress will stop when there isn't a need to support Israel anymore, meaning the Jewish vote becomes less influential.
Israel is a secular state. Palestinians can have a state once they purge themselves of terrorists. It really is simple. You call for Israel to respect Arab farmers' rights. Do you do the same for Hamas? You know Hamas has destroyed homes, businesses and killed Palestinians in large numbers. Funny you don't seem to care about that. - - - Updated - - - Funny you don't know what you are talking about........yet you seem to want to sound important.
and yet they demand Palestinians recognize them as a "Jewish" state. you all need to make up your minds.
Stupid question. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...h-gaza-water-park-shut-down-by-hamas-1.314603 http://www.nbcnews.com/id/9331863/n.../looters-strip-gaza-greenhouses/#.VKXN-yvF8gs http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4706/gazan-hamas-war-crimes I await your publicly denounce this.......... - - - Updated - - - You really don't know what that means? And yet you make pronouncements about Israel. Tell you what go there, meet with the Israeli left and ask them. Then go to Gaza and talk to them. The Israeli arabs in the Galil, East Jerusalem. See what they say.
I second this emotion... but back at the farm... this is the latest on Alyah... Subject: : Aliyah Hits Ten-Year High: 26, 500 New Immigrants Arrived in Israel in 2014 This year also saw a historic shift: for the first time in Israel's history, the number of immigrants who came to Israel from the free world is greater than that of immigrants fleeing countries in distress. Aliyah Hits Ten-Year High: Approximately 26,500 New Immigrants Arrived in Israel in 2014 The Jewish Agency for Israel - Ministry of Aliyah and Immigrant Absorption § Worldwide Aliyah up 32% compared to 2013 § For the first time ever, more immigrants came from France than from any other country § Aliyah from Ukraine up 190% nearly threefold compared to last year Sharansky: "This is a year of record-breaking Aliyah. I very much hope the next government continues to invest in Aliyah." Landver: "We expect that some 10,000 new immigrants will come from France alone next year, and we will surpass 30,000 immigrants and even more." JERUSALEM, ISRAEL According to end-of-year figures released today (Wednesday, December 31) by The Jewish Agency for Israel and the Ministry of Aliyah and Immigrant Absorption, Aliyah (immigration to Israel) hit a ten-year high in 2014, with the arrival of some 26,500 new immigrants. This marks a significant 32% increase over last year's number of approximately 20,000 immigrants. For the first time ever, France tops the list of countries of origin for immigrants to Israel, with nearly 7,000 new immigrants in 2014, double the 3,400 who came last year. This development has spurred The Jewish Agency and the Ministry of Aliyah and Immigrant Absorption to encourage Aliyah from France and facilitate French immigrants' absorption into Israeli society, as well as to expose young French Jews to life in Israel via Israel experience programs run by The Jewish Agency. Additionally, some 5,840 new immigrants have come from Ukraine over the course of the year, compared to some 2,020 in 2013. This dramatic 190% increase is due primarily to the ongoing instability in the eastern part of the country. The Jewish Agency and the Ministry of Aliyah and Immigrant Absorption are meeting thechallenge posed by the situation on the ground by expanding operations in Ukraine and offering immigrants special financial assistance. Chairman of the Executive of The Jewish Agency Natan Sharansky said: "2014 was a year of record-breaking Aliyah. This year also saw a historic shift: for the first time in Israel's history, the number of immigrants who came to Israel from the free world is greater than that of immigrants fleeing countries in distress. This trend is evidence of Israel's attractiveness as a place where it's good to live, as well as of the success of our joint efforts to promote Aliyah and strengthen connections between Jews around the world and the State of Israel. As we forecast further increases in Aliyah from around the world, I very much hope the next government continues to join The Jewish Agency in maintaining Aliyah encouragement and immigrant absorption as top priorities." Minister of Aliyah and Immigrant Absorption Sofa Landver said: "This year we mark a ten-year record of Aliyah and a 32% increase over last year in the number of Jews who reached the conclusion that they have no other country. I am excited to see the fruits of our many efforts to encourage Aliyah, but we have not yet reached our goal. Our ministry continues to work together with all relevant parties to promote the ingathering of the exiles, a vision that has accompanied the people of Israel since the state's establishment. We expect that some 10,000 new immigrants will come from France alone next year, and we will surpass 30,000 immigrants from around the world and even more." Expanded data: Aliyah from Western Europe is up 88%,with the arrival of some 8,640 immigrants this year compared to some 4,600 last year. The most significant increase was in Aliyah from France, which doubled from some 3,400 immigrants in 2013 to nearly 7,000 this year. Additionally, some 620 immigrants came to Israel from the United Kingdom, compared to 520 last year a 20% increase. The number of immigrants from Italy doubled to approximately 340. Aliyah from Belgium saw a modest decrease, to some 240 immigrants this year. The number of immigrants from Germany remained stable, at approximately 120. Aliyah from the former Soviet Union is up 50%, with the arrival of some 11,430 immigrants compared to approximately 7,610 last year. The most notable increase was in Aliyah from Ukraine, which rose by 190% to some 5,840 immigrants this year. 4,830 immigrants came from Russia, Belarus, and the Baltic states, compared to 4,640 last year. Some 300 immigrants came from the Caucasus and some 390 from Central Asia. Aliyah from Latin America remained stable, with the arrival of some 1,070 immigrants, similar to last year's numbers. Aliyah from Brazil saw a 45% increase, with 300 immigrants compared to 210 in 2013. Approximately 297 immigrants came from Argentina, 76 from Mexico, 70 from Venezuela, 62 from Colombia, 58 from Uruguay, and 52 from Chile. Aliyah from North America increased modestly, with the arrival of some 3,870 immigrants compared to some 3,600 last year. Approximately 3,470 immigrants came from the United States, compared to some 3,200 in 2013 an 8% increase. Some 400 immigrants came from Canada, compared to some 384 last year. Some 232 immigrants came to Israel from Eastern Europe, compared to approximately 270 last year. Approximately 126 immigrants came from Hungary, 32 from Poland, 24 from Romania, and 24 from Bulgaria. Some 190 immigrants came to Israel from South Africa, roughly the same as last year's numbers. Some 200 immigrants came from Australia and New Zealand, compared to some 260 in 2013. More than half of the immigrants who came to Israel in 2014 were under the age of 35, including some 5,300 children and some 8,200 young adults between the ages of 18 and 34. The eldest immigrant this year was born in 1910 and made Aliyah from France at the age of 104. The youngest came from the United States and was only several weeks old. Some 2,500 of the immigrants work in engineering and technological fields, and thousands hold degrees in the humanities, social sciences, life sciences, and exact sciences. More than 1,000 doctors and health professionals made Aliyah, as did some 600 artists and athletes. In November, the Government of Israel approved a series of recommendations aimed at breaking down barriers to employment for immigrants and ease their integration into the workforce. Tel Aviv led the chart of cities receiving new immigrants, with approximately 3,000 new Tel Avivians. The coastal city of Netanya came second and Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, came in third. * This data is tentative and is based on preliminary estimates by The Jewish Agency and the Ministry of Aliyah and Immigrant Absorption * ________________________________________ IMRA - Independent Media Review and Analysis
To your untimely POLL 2x people 200%... Well I went a little farther and dug in the annals of history because I knew there was something inadequate... This will take the wind out of your sails. 1939 Palestinian Flag. What does it look like? Surprised? http://www.factualisrael.com/1939-palestinian-flag-look-like-surprised/
Once again I did not vote, the choices once again do not include the simple answer of "No, it is none of our business". The only way the issue will ever be dealt with is among those that live there, no outside force can resolve anything in the region.
As Orthodox Jews and others who have actually read the Bible know, zionism is a racist and anti-biblical ideology. Dismantle the anti-biblical state and we shall have peace in that region.
Zionist Jews from its beginning NEVER intended to share Palestine with non-\Jews. Ben Gurion Foresaw Palestinian Expulsion in 1937 extract : "When Jewish settlement first began in the eighties of last century, it connoted no political ambition, and the Rothschild colonies lived in peace and amity with their Arab neighbours, and were, in fact, of great assistance to them, providing them with regular employment, and assisting them to develop the Arab lands in proximity to the new Jewish Settlements. The same practice prevailed in the case of the German Colonies. Even to-day, though things are changing rapidly, and under Zionist pressure the P.I.C.A. colonies are being compelled gradually to part with their Arab workmen, the friendly spirit animating the Arab towards the old settlers in the P.I.C.A. colonies is in marked contrast to their keen hostility to the settlers introduced by the Zionist organization. Had the method of the P.I.C.A. continued, no political question would have arisen, and the Jews could have effected a peaceful penetration of Palestine without any opposition on the part of the Arab population. . . . So the large estate passes to the Jewish National Fund, and becomes ” the inalienable property of the Jewish people.” It will be used for the settlement of Jews on conditions which render it impossible that any but a Jew can ever hold the land in future, or can ever be employed on it as a labourer. This is, from every point of view, a most serious happening. It is undesirable from the economic point of view, for unemployment among the Arabs is already a serious problem. The political aspect of the matter is even more serious, for it confirms the Arab in the belief commonly held that Jewish policy is designed deliberately to oust the Arab from the land of Palestine. And it is impossible to affirm that this belief is unfounded. The policy of the Zionists indicates that their ultimate intention, by means of steady and consistent land purchase and settlement with the provisions noted, is to buy the country, and to buy it under conditions which will render it impossible for any Arab to earn his daily bread in the territory which they have acquired. It is a policy of the inevitability of gradualness of the most sinister kind. . . . For instance, at the moment a communal colony for workers is being constructed just outside the P.I.C.A. village of Ness Ziona. This is being done as a method of enforcing the policy of the General Federation of Jewish Labour, to exclude the Arab workmen from Jewish villages, and the workers’ colony is, in fact, a threat and a menace. This was a case which should have been known to the Government, and in which the Government should have called on the Jewish Agency to explain what it was doing. It is probable that in time there will be trouble about labour in Ness Ziona. The price of oranges is falling, and shortly it will not be possible to employ Jewish labour at the rates fixed by the General Federation and at the same time to export oranges. Yet the labourers who are being planted on the borders of Ness Ziona will demand employment, and will take steps to see that Arabs are not employed for the picking and packing of the fruit. by Richard Silverstein on December 28, 2013 more here : http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2013/12/28/ben-gurion-foresaw-palestinian-expulsion-in-1937/
Britain was the country that granted the Balfour Declaration. You should be thankful. Ever since the state of Israel has been created there has so many conflicts. Israel wants to control the entire region. Israel will simply self-destruct if it continues to behave like a tyrant.
And all any British govt ever got from pompous Zionists for that dishonourable declaration has been shlte for thanks . ....
choosing a religious name for their country was probably not the best bet for peace... but it's their choice .
However they chose not to tell where the name originally came from IS - RA - EL What does the name Israel mean? Is (Isis), Ra (Amun) and El (Saturn). Is it just a co-incidence that the name 'Israel' incorporates three gods/goddesses, or is it the reason for the name Israel? ISIS Isis [IS] was an Egyptian Throne Goddess dating back to the 5th dynasty. Her name literally means the feminine aspect of the throne - also the Queen of the throne. However, the hieroglyph for her name used originally meant (female) of flesh, i.e. mortal, and she may simply have represented deified Earthly queens of the World. She was most prominently remembered as the wife of Horus, or, in later periods, as the wife of Osiris and mother of Horus, and was worshiped as the archetypal wife and mother RA Ra (sometimes spelled Rê) is the sun-god of Heliopolis in ancient Egypt. Ra originally meant "mouth" in the Egyptian language, and was a reference to his creation of the deities of the Ogdoad system, excluding the 8 concepts which created him, by the power of speech (compare how Yahweh was said to have created the world). In later Egyptian dynastic times, Ra was subsumed into the god Horus, as Re-Horakhty (and many variant spellings). --- EL aka Ellil by Micha F. Lindemans "The Akkadian god of earth and wind. He is the son of Ansar and Kisar, the primordial deities, and the father of the moon god Sin. Together with Ea and Anu he forms a powerful triad of gods in the ancient Mesopotamian religion. He is represented wearing a headband which is decorated with horns. He is equivalent to the Sumerian god Enlil." Enlil by Micha F. Lindemans "In ancient Sumero-Babylonian myth, Enlil ("lord wind") is the god of air, wind and storms. Enlil is the foremost god of the Mesopotamian pantheon, and is sometimes referred to as Kur-Gal ("great mountain"). In the Sumerian cosmology he was born of the union of An heaven and Ki earth. These he separated, and he carried off the earth as his portion. In later times he supplanted Anu as chief god. His consort is Ninlil with whom he has five children: Nanna, Nerigal, Ningirsu, Ninurta, and Nisaba. Enlil holds possession of the Tablets of Destiny which gives him power over the entire cosmos and the affairs of man. He is sometimes friendly towards mankind, but can also be a stern and even cruel god who punishes man and sends forth disasters, such as the great Flood which wiped out humanity with the exception of Atrahasis. Enlil is portrayed wearing a crown with horns, symbol of his power. His most prestigious temple was in the city Nippur, and he was the patron of that city. His equivalent is the Akkadian god Ellil." What I also suggest is that EL and YHWH were two separate 'gods' - see: YHWH as Marduk. So we see that the gods El and Yahweh are distinct gods from each other, as distinct as their individual names. Yahweh was worshipped as a war god from the deserts of southern Palestine who migrated north to Judah while El was the god of Israel whose home was Mesopotamia. Historically speaking, the two gods must be regarded as originally distinct that subsequently were related and finally identified through political and religious syncreticism. ( by Betty Rhodes ) === Throughout ancient history the names of Gods/Gods have often changed reinterpreted /reinvented incorporated into the next following belief systems. It is /can be whatever believers believe it to be or to have been. Glory be to our good Lord Dionysus (hic) ,,,