Is it ok to be anti-Semitic?

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OK to be anti-Semitic?

  1. Yes.

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  2. Only against Israeli Jews.

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  1. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right! and I'm happy that I can accept someone for who they are, not their religion, color, or race. In this instance your original post has revealed you as the racist you really are.
     
  2. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ironic, coming from someone who posts 10 racist threads a day.

    nevermind the fact that the Wehrwolf is a Nazi term
     
  3. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ROTFLMAO.... We see the kettle calling the pot black.. Seems your average rate of posts exceed mine. Hands down. So what's in a name? Good example is Ronstar, that has emerged as being directly connected to anti-Semetism, anti-Jewish, and anti-Christian views typical of Aryan Supremacists and the KKK. All directly connected to the Terrorist arm of Progressive Democrat Marxists.
     
  4. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    10 threads a day, almost all racist.

    that's your legacy here
     
  5. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm sure the majority of posters here would disagree with this soundly illogical statement of yours..
     
  6. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Racism is not a democratic trait, it is an all too human trait.

    Attempting to associate racism and anti-Semitism with progressives is simply yet another example of the stupidity of bigotry.

    And you might want to look up what Marxism is, since you obviously have no clue.
     
  7. AlpinLuke

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    As usual when I see the expression "anti Semitic", I've got my difficulties in understanding if it is related to all Semitic populations [so also to Arabs in generals] or only to Jews.

    In its real comprehensive meaning to be anti Semitic is nonsense [it's not right or wrong, it's simply a nonsense], it means to be against Jews, Palestinians, Jordanians, Arabs, Syrians ... Mah ...

    Then, there is the "reduced version" which is related only to Jews.

    This is not a nonsense, this is wrong, not because is about Jews, but it's based on a general consideration about a people. To be against the policies of a state is a matter, to be against a people just because it's THAT people ... it's a kind of racism.
     
  8. ManifestDestiny

    ManifestDestiny Well-Known Member

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    Sounds Hitleresque I must say


    There are Jews even in Israel who are against the war and want peace with the Palestinians, not all Israeli Jews are bad. No wonder you hate Stalin more than Hitler, lol
     
  9. ManifestDestiny

    ManifestDestiny Well-Known Member

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    Marxists are anti-semetic? :roflol: You do realize Karl Marx was a Jew right? :roflol:


    Such ignorance its absolutely hilarious
     
  10. garyd

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    A more interesting question and one that would have better tried to make the op's point would be is it antisemitic to be against the Israeli state?

    It's an interesting argument. And one in which there are good points on both sides.
     
  11. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    that depends on why you are against it.

    if you are against it because it is simply a Jewish state, then yes that would be anti-Semitism.

    if you are against it because it steals land, commits ethnic cleansing, treats Gentiles like second-class citizens, flaunts international law, then you are against it for more legitimate reasons.
     
  12. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    And on the opposite side they would claim they they are simply repossessing land that was theirs centuries earlier. That most of the gentiles in question are Palestinians who have been trying to exterminate them for more than fifty years and whose leaders have broken every peace treaty they've ever signed usually before the ink quite had time to fully dry.
     
  13. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    there is a common sense statute of limitations on for how long a people can claim ownership of a land.

    the Jews lost the land 2,000 years ago!!!

    The Israeli Arabs are trying to exterminate the Israeli Jews?

    Jordan and Egypt have broken their peace treaties with Israel?

    where do you get such dishonest crap?
     
  14. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    And took it back fifty years ago. And I distinctly recall typing Palestinian, talk about dishonest...Pot meet kettle.
     
  15. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Palestinians haven't been trying to exterminate anyone for 50 years.

    you obviously have no idea what you're talking about
     
  16. garyd

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    So you refuse to admit that the original constitution or founding document of the PLO called for the destruction of Israel? And Hamas does likewise. The fact that they have been unable to accomplish this goal is merely a statement of their incompetence not of the fact that they don't want to destroy Israel and however many Jews it takes to accomplish that goal.
     
  17. rangecontraction

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    Hamas is a clear and present IslamoTerrorist danger, recognized as such by the Civilized World. The Hamas leadership is a legitimate military target, which is why we've been exterminating em over the last few years.
     
  18. Margot2

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    The Israelis helped fund and organize Hamas in the mid-1980s.
     
  19. Natty Bumpo

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    Jews, as a religious/cultural/tribal entity need to be distinguished from the state of Israel. Israel can and should be criticized without someone playing the "anti-semitism card" in a knee jerk response to a critical political précis. In fact, there are devout ultra-orthodox and anti-zionist Jews who oppose the existence of the modern state of Israel, and you can hardly call them "anti-Jewish" or "anti-semitic."

    Also, "anti-Judaism" differs from "anti-semitism" since Arabic people are deemed "semites" as well. It's basically a linguistic classification that has expanded to include culture and ethnicity.

    Some groups have been shifting their previously anti-Jewish bigotry onto Arabs, especially Arab Muslims.


    It's still anti-semitism.
     
  20. Karma Mechanic

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    Let's be careful. Israel itself is not monolithic just look at the current situation in the government. You can criticize government actions but do not think that it is all of Israeli or all Israelis.

    Well that is complicated. Many don't want anything to do with Jews who aren't their kind of Jews. So yeah they can be anti-semitic but your point is taken. There are people who are anti-Israel but pro-Jew. However even some of them use anti-Jewish rhetoric to attack Israel. (See the OP)

    Sorry the phrase anti-semitism has meant anti-Jewish for a long time. Yes it is not the denotation of the phrase but the connotation of the word. This kind of thinking is used by lots of anti-semites.

    But word meanings change.

    True

    Except it is not the way the word is used in modern vernacular..........
     
  21. garyd

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    They did it as a counter weight to the increasingly corrupt PLO. As usual in the cauldron of the Arab middle east the plan blew up in their face. As per usual when you are dealing with the Middle East today's plan of genius will, within a decade morph into a nightmare.
     
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    If they had been, they've been very, very bad at it. One need only consider the hostilities surrounding Gaza in 2014: The Palestinian death toll was over 1,800 (300 of them children) with nearly 10,000 wounded. Meanwhile, on the Israeli side, 64 Israeli soldiers and 3 civilians had died over the same 3 weeks.

    That proportion has been typical of periodic flare-ups.

    Ethnic cleansing is not the answer for either side. The State of Israel and the State of Palestine will need to acknowledge one another's existence and respect one another's sovereignty before there can be mutual peace and stability, and endless finger-pointing by either side is not how they'll ever get there.
     
  23. Ronstar

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    funded Hamas?

    bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

    there's more evidence that the Saudis funded 9-11
     
  24. wyly

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    There are jews who denounce any critism of israeli politics as anti-semitic...and there are those who generalize that all jews are racist Zionists...both are wrong...

    Religion/ethnicity need to be separated from politics, that they aren't is why there is a problem...
     
  25. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    No, its never right to hate somebody for being a member of a group by birth. You are abnegating our humanity, even your own, which makes all of us, you included, an individual and entitled to be treated as the same. This is the cost of prejudice, and it is greater for the one who is prejudiced as he is denying his own humanity, whereas his victim is simply having someone else deny it to him.
     

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