"You can’t make fun of faith"...did Pope just declare war on free speech!?

I think you'd have to demonstrate how making fun of Islam is going the end this Jihad war once and for all. Do you really need that in your arsenal?

As for free speech, it CAN get you killed.

 

Obviously the endless drone bombings are not working, as this is the longest war in US history so far, and even has no end in sight. Why not take on the enemy ideologically, and not only militarily. How can we have a clear conscience continually bombing people (civilians are dying as well) in many nations, and NOT attempting to take them on ideologically as well? It's only a matter of time before we start to bomb Boko Haram in earnest, for example.

 

This will show their true colors once and for all, as one of the most intolerant belief systems (Islam) to have ever graced the planet. It shows it's hardly as advertised (the "religion of peace".) The Big Lie will be exposed. It will show that they are fanatical. It will show that they value a dead prophet over your freedom.

 

I mock/discuss their beliefs, and they do the same to mine, and the right answer will likely bubble up in the end, as we get closer to the truth with each session.

 

By 'take on the enemy ideologically', do you mean denigrating their religion? I'm sure that is counterproductive.

 

Ok so let's agree that Sharia Law is wonderful, like cuddly puppy dogs and unicorn rainbows, and let's live under Mohammad's Sharia Law, ok? Or do you want to counter it, ideologically?

 

You are not going to defeat Mohammad's Law by insulting him to death. I'm up for countering terrorism, not prolonging it.

 

All of the European leaders are rolling over because they are being paid very well to do so. Even Duke University was getting in on the action for a day or two. Expect the Congress Critters to join in with a month or so.

 

If their favorite deities were real they could show up and defend themselves. But since they are all imaginary the nutjobs have to do the dirty work. Too bad that asteroid is going to miss us.

 

Pointing out his flaws discredits him/Islam. Making people less enthusiastic to implement his laws, and makes people less likely to convert to Islam in the first place.

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So the reason why Zeus can't defend himself is the SAME reason why Jesus, or Allah/Mohammad can't defend themselves.

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Sounds like you don't want to get to the UNDERLYING problem, though (Islam.)

 

According to the Jews David knocked Bathsheba up when she was six. So David was a real pervert. And Americans had sex with kids seven years old and younger all of the time. Heck, they were old maids by age nine.

 

There are posters who will be more than happy to defend those things. As for me, I'm simply stating the facts.

 

The Ten Commandments doesn't say anything about not blaspheming God. Exodus 34:10-29. When the kids did it to baldheaded Elisha he sicced two bears on them and the bears killed forty-two of them. 2 Kings 2:23-25.

 

Well this is supposed to be the most liberal Pope ever. So its quite logical that he would support suppression of free speech in order to pursue a politically correct dogma. Liberals should be ecstatic about this the Pope is saying the exact same things liberals do about being politically correct. You MUST not under any circumstances offend anyone.

 

In this case his mother is a real person. In the case of ancient religious characters they are all imaginary and even if one or two of them had been real people they are long dead.

As it says in Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 (MEV) =
5 "The living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no more reward,
for the memory of them is forgotten.
6 What they loved, hated,
and envied has already perished;
and there is no reward for them from long ago
in everything that is done under the sun."

So who cares what any long dead prophet said about anything? If he lived he's dead and dust and should be forgotten as if he had been nothing but a desert bug. His time is long gone. It's our world now. We should have sense enough to live in the present and not in the past shackled by some religious lunatic's blabbering.

One thing is for certain and that is none of the religious lunatics' favorite deities will ever show themselves to us.

 

Look at the bright side. If you're a Christian and get killed for your testimony your soul will join the other martyrs under the altar and count toward the magic number of people who must be killed before Jesus returns. Revelation 6:9-11. So it's a win-win situation. All true Christians should be out in force denouncing the false religions. Jesus won't return unless more people get killed. The poop Francis should be in the forefront. Jesus will probably toss him into the lake of fire for being a wimp.

 

I do not see faith as the problem as much as the mans intervention in religion. This is not the word of God this is one mans opinion. The man is the head of the church but he is a man non the less. I am a catholic and belive the core teachings but i have faith in God and follow him not the pope.

 

God's 3rd commandment of the 10 commandments is against blasphemy, arguably. So god also believes like the Pope does, it can be argued. Modern Secular Humanism does not advocate blasphemy laws of course, because it's more for free speech than almost any other belief system (certainly any religion.)

 

Yeah, I think the Pope is taking the religious stance with what he said. I don't think he is trying to enable terrorism, nor is he in any way defending the murderous actions. He is just saying that we should have a basic level of respect for the religious beliefs of others, when it comes to the founder of those religions. And at one time, we actually had a higher character and didn't intentionally insult religious founders as the secular humanists and atheists get pleasure from today. To them, nothing is sacred, and they don't respect anyone who does have things they believe to be sacred. It is nothing more than a coarseness, a failing of cultivating good manners and high character. And its prolific in the humanists and the atheists, like a small child pulling the legs off a cricket just to see him legless.

So the Pope took the proper stance, being that he is the head of the RCC, and God's man here on this earth, or so the RCC believes. Just because the right of free speech says that you can say most of anything that you want, doesn't mean that we should be so coarse and disrespectful and do it. But there are many of us these days who respect nothing, which to me is just a lack of "culture" and common decency. So, I defend the right to say what you want, but I can still think these people that do in this area, are just too egocentric to care about anyone's feelings, other than their own. Society in general is becoming less cultured and coarse, the same sort of things that we used to call white trash. But white trash is in vogue today. It's cool not to give anyone basic respect. It's cool to be inconsiderate, for it brings attention to our own egos. Some of us will do anything to get attention for our self images. The way you do it today is by disrespect and vulgarity, and a great lack of common manners, which has always served as social lubrication in human society.

 

We're in the longest war in US history, with no end in sight, and you're more concerned about not offending the illogical sensibilities of the enemy regarding their invisible friend than the war we are in, apparently. Mocking shows how weak their invisible friend really is. It must continue, until they get used to it, and realize that Mohammad's way (kill critics - which he did) is not the right way. They currently don't get that.

"To them, nothing is sacred" you wrote....however, FREEDOM is sacred to us! But invisible friends are more sacred to the Pope than freedom, logic, reason, common sense, and science is. Remember, that papal lunatic believes in a talking donkey and a talking snake and dragons and unicorns (per the book he enforces), so he's very very easy to mock. If he became a MSH he would be infinitely less mockable. We don't mock to be (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s, we mock to bring change.....change the Pope and ISIS resist.

 

I am more concerned about death/torture to atheists (50 lashes per week for that Saudi blogger!), death/torture to gays, and death/torture to women (ISIS just stoned to death a women who didn't live up to their med-very-evil sexual mores!) than I am about their pedophile "prophet". I care more about people than you do (or at least I care about more important issues in their lives than you do), clearly. The Pope, being the most powerful religious leader in the world today, has steered, at least indirectly it can be argued, more people away from science and towards the belief that magic is real than any single person alive in this young century so far. He's disgusting.

 

JESUS is the little b**ch who wants to see innocent moral humans, not just crickets, thrown into a "lake of fire", and for an infinitely longer time, for just not sucking up to a zombie! Now who's the immoral one!?

In Mark 4:11-12 that sick zombie actually WANTED to not speak clearly, so that, effectively, more people would get burned in hell!
11 He replied, “You are permitted to understand the secret of the Kingdom of God. But I use parables for everything I say to outsiders, 12 so that the Scriptures might be fulfilled:
‘When they see what I do,
they will learn nothing.
When they hear what I say,
they will not understand.
Otherwise, they will turn to me
and be forgiven."


Realize that MSH is far far more moral than religion's heroes were, and you'll be able to be more compassionate towards people, in the big-picture.

 

At one time we used to approve of slavery and treat women like garbage, and kill gays, but thanks to secular thinking, logical thinking, we don't do those today (it's called progress.)
But of course the Bible/Qur'an still, to this day, incredibly, have those very same things in them, and the Pope is too immoral to lift a finger to alter those texts. The Pope is an intellectual coward compared to a Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris, etc. They are champions of freedom, he is a champion of dogma.

 

how exactly, do you 'follow god', when your god's message was given to you by men?

 

Look, I love the 19th century as much as the next person, but kids were sent down coal mines because they were cheap and plentiful. What you call modern coarseness and lack of respect is humanity growing out of a damned protracted childhood. We're FINALLY starting to throw off the dreadful shackles of forced fear of authority, and the automatic respect (often unearned) demanded by all and sundry, and are actually weighing up the merit of things we previously had no choice in.

It is indeed, cool to ask that respect be earned, not gifted without reason. It's long (*)(*)(*)(*)ing overdue, actually. And if you're going to jump on the "youth of today are dreadful" bandwagon, you're walking on the fightin' side of me. They are the best generation we've had yet. They are benevolent, open-minded, generous, peaceful, considerate, great communicators, and care about the planet and humanity. My own generation, at age 20, were total cr#p by comparison. bigoted, narrow-minded, uncommunicative with anyone but our own peers, didn't give a stuff about humanity or the planet, and were not especially peaceful.