Your are either purposely ignoring or something because I have said multiple times and this is verified by genetics that Jews are an ethnic group, not just a religious group. Jewish state simply means it has a Jewish identity, like Ireland being and Irish country. Or Czech republic being Czech country.
I worked in Saudi some years ago, met quite a few Jews from US/UK/France etc. they just didn't walk around with placards advertising their Jewishness. Israeli passport holders are for obvious reasons excluded. ...
I'm afraid its NOT quite as simple as that. Jewish identity is much more complex , its more to do with politics than scientific evidence. "The point is that one who is called a "Jew" in the Bible is not necessarily a chosen man of God, a follower of Moses and the prophets, a member of the tribe of Judah, an Israelite, or even a Semite, but one who is a resident of Judea. A Judean. But a well-organized and well-financed international "pressure group" created a so-called "secondary meaning" for the new word "Jew" which is not the understanding intended by the Scripture of truth. Those who call themselves Jews today falsely imply they are somehow descendants of the tribes of Israel and chosen of God. Yet few of them are Jews as they are not "Judeans," or residents of Judea. So if modern day so-called Jews are not the Jews of the Bible, who are they? When asked, "Who is Israel? - Who is a Jew?" the Israeli Government's Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) unhesitatingly answered: "The term Israelite is purely Biblical. An Israeli is a citizen of Israel, regardless of religion. A Jew is a person anywhere in the world born to a Jewish mother, or converted to Judaism, who is thus identified as a member of the Jewish people and religion" (Information Division, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Jerusalem; February, 199. The Jewish Almanac concurs: "Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew." Or to call a contemporary Jew [an] "Israelite," or a "Hebrew." The first Hebrews were not Jews at all, and contemporary Palestinians, by their own definition of the term "Palestinian," have to include Jews among their own people" (The Jewish Almanac, October, 1980, page 3, Bantam Books, Inc). ==== Genetic Roots of the Ashkenazi Jews Most Ashkenazi Jews, traditionally believed to have descended from the ancient tribes of Israel, may in fact be maternally descended from prehistoric Europeans. " The majority of Ashkenazi Jews are descended from prehistoric European women, according to study published today (October in Nature Communications. While the Jewish religion began in the Near East, and the Ashkenazi Jews were believed to have origins in the early indigenous tribes of this region, new evidence from mitochondrial DNA, which is passed on exclusively from mother to child, suggests that female ancestors of most modern Ashkenazi Jews converted to Judaism in the north Mediterranean around 2,000 years ago and later in west and central Europe. The new findings contradict previous assertions that Ashkenazi mitochondrial lineages originated in the Near East, or from mass conversions to Judaism in the Khazar kingdom, an empire in the north Caucasus region between Europe and Asia lasting from the 7th century to the 11th century whose leaders adopted Judaism. We found that most of the maternal lineages dont trace to the north Caucasus, which would be a proxy for the Khazarians, or to the Near East, but most of them emanate from Europe, said coauthor Martin Richards, an archaeogeneticist at the University of Huddersfield in the U.K. read more here : http://www.the-scientist.com/?artic...21/title/Genetic-Roots-of-the-Ashkenazi-Jews/ Experts are not in total agreement. "Eran Elhaik, a research associate studying genetics at the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health, is split. He agreed with the study authors that the study rules out a Near Eastern origin for many mitochondrial lineages of the Ashkenazis but disagreed that it rules out a Khazarian contribution. Jews and non-Jews residing in the regions of Khazaria are underrepresented, which biases the results toward Europe as we have seen in many other studies, he said in an e-mail to The Scientist. Elhaik recently concluded from autosomal DNA that European Jews did, in fact, have a Khazarian background. The Online Etymology Dictionary describes the etymology of the word 'jew,' but perhaps because its editor is not a Bible student it exhibits an ignorance of the meaning of the original Greek word Ioudaios derived from the Aramaic jehudhai which did not refer to members of the tribe of Judah but to Judeans, the residents of the Babylonian province of Judea. The spelling of our present-day English word Jew is a transliteration of an abbreviation or slang word coined by their Babylonian conquerors for Judeans without reference to the race or religion of the captives. The editor has inadvertently discriminated the Semitic tribesmen of the sons of Israel from the diverse mass of races and religions then resident in Judea by applying the incorrect colloquial idiom, not having recognized the true and Biblical meaning of the original words. //// The dispute amongst experts continiues...... //
Jews aren't allowed in Jordan? prove it - - - Updated - - - so you hope... meanwhile, Israel bestows special rights & priviliges to people who CONVERT to Judaism. That's a very religious action, and has nothing to do with ethnicity.
Aye -they do indeed . - How (Zap you're a Jew - quickie conversions) - 90 plus Peruvians became the latest Jewish settlers When a delegation of rabbis travelled to Lima to convert a group of South American Indians to Judaism, they added just one condition: come and live with us in Israel. As soon as these new Jews arrived in the country, they were bussed straight to settlements in the disputed territories. So how are they coping? Neri Livneh tracks them down Wednesday August 7, 2002 The Guardian In a prefab structure at a school in the West Bank settlement of Alon Shvut, a few dozen people are sitting and singing a popular Hasidic song: "The whole world is a very narrow bridge and the main thing is not to be afraid." They are singing with feeling, even though most of them don't understand a word of the song. As is the custom in religious schools, the class is divided into a men's section and a women's section. The women are wearing hats and the men's heads are covered by knitted skullcaps. The men and women alike have distinct South American Indian features. Almost unnoticed, a new branch of Jews is springing up in the settlements, Jews who are connected to Israel and all things Israeli by a very narrow bridge indeed. They have yet to visit Tel Aviv or Haifa, and have never even heard of Degania, the very first kibbutz, or its neighbour, Kinneret. Miki Kratsman, the read more here : how Zionist Jews create more bums on the seat on stolen Palestinian lands . http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/07/israel1
there is no such thing as a "quicky conversion" in Judaism. Reform and Conservative rabbis all have special ruled. Orthodox Jews? Their process takes more than a year. any "quick" conversion done by an Orthodox Rabbi, would violate Halachah and would probably get a Rabbi censored or removed from his position.
I accept your explanation . I've also recall having read the following from The Guardian - some years ago. "How 90 Peruvians became the latest Jewish settlers When a delegation of rabbis travelled to Lima to convert a group of South American Indians to Judaism, they added just one condition: come and live with us in Israel. As soon as these new Jews arrived in the country, they were bussed straight to settlements in the disputed territories. So how are they coping? Neri Livneh tracks them down. ----- - extract = "The miracle of the creation of this community of new Jews has to be chalked up wholly and exclusively to the credit - or debit - of the chief rabbinate of Israel. At the order of the Ashkenazi chief rabbi, Israel Meir Lau, a delegation of rabbis travelled to Peru. During their two weeks in the country, they converted 90 people to Judaism, most of them of Indian origin. "We found a small river between Trujillo and Cajamarca and everyone immersed in it. We took the people from Lima to be immersed in the ocean and then we also had to remarry them all in a Jewish ceremony according to the halakha [Jewish religious law]," says Rabbi Eliyahu Birnbaum, a judge in the conversion court and a member of the delegation. The rabbis converted only those who said they were willing to emigrate to Israel immediately. "We laid down that condition because in the remote areas where they live, there is no possibility of keeping kosher and it was important for us to ensure that they would live in a Jewish environment. In fact, there was no need for the condition because they were in any case imbued with a love of the land of Israel in a way that is hard to describe," says Rabbi David Mamo, the deputy president of the conversion court. === "The 90 new immigrants, comprising 18 families, were taken straight from the airport to the two settlements. Leah Golan, director of the Jewish Agency department responsible for immigration, says: "We, as the Jewish Agency, bring to Israel anyone who has been defined as being entitled to aliyah - that is, anyone who has been recognised as a Jew by the chief rabbinate or the interior ministry. " Full article here : http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/07/israel1 Here's another -Zap -- Youre Jewish The Jerusalem Report ^ | Hirsh Goodman quoting Haaretz 2002. When it comes to the settlement movement,the sky is now the limit,including a crash course of 12 working days in how to transform from an Andes Indian into a settler Jew The Ha'aretz newspaper's weekend magazine of July 19 carried a cover story about 90 Indians from villages tucked far up in the remote mountains of Peru who had been converted to Judaism in Lima in a record two weeks. They were then flown to Israel where they were sent directly to two Israeli settlements on the West Bank, Alon Shvut and Karmei Tzur, where they will study in yeshivah and pray, at the states expense, for the messiah to arrive. The 90, constituting 18 family units, remarkably, were converted by an official rabbinical delegation sent from Israel with the blessings of Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi Israel Lau. Though they cannot speak a word of Hebrew, the 90 were given Hebrew names. Though they have never heard of Theodor Herzl, they are ardent Zionists who do not doubt for a minute that Israel is the Jewish state. And while Israeli politics are a total mystery to them, as is the debate over the future of the territories, that Judea and Samaria belong to the State of Israel is beyond question. Why the 90 Peruvian Indians wanted to become Jewish was not made quite clear in the piece, other than a general sentiment that Abraham was the father of us all. What is made clear is that the 3,000-strong Peruvian Jewish community told the rabbinical delegation that they could convert whomever they want, as long as the converts dont remain in Peru. The Jewish community, it was explained, has enough difficulties of its own without having to deal with the "socioeconomic" problems the new converts would have brought with them. One explanation for this passion to become Jewish, though, may be that a warm mobile home in the Judean Hills was a better prospect than scratching out a living in the Andes ---- As always, it seems that when it comes to supporting the needs of the settlement movement, at the end of the day, the sky is the limit, including a crash course of 12 working days in how to transform from an Andes Indian into a settler Jew. The main requirement is that our 90 new brethren believe that all of the Land of Israel is ours and like their leader, the now-Zerubavel Tzadkiya, dividends will come down the road when the children and grandchildren, many of them, will make places like Tapuah thrive. Tapuah, apple in Hebrew, was once considered a rotten apple by the mainstream settler movement, a place inhabited by fanatics who adhered to the hate philosophy of the late rabbi Meir Kahane. The community was an embarrassment to serious Land of Israel idealists who claimed they had an aspiration to coexist with the Arabs. That they should now be bending even the most sacred rules to make the spirit of Tapuah thrive is a sign of just how desperate and confused the settler movement -- and the rabbinate that is effectively supporting them -- seems to have become. http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-10028946.html I dunno. .... .... .... ....
I'm referring to REAL Orthodox Jews - the types I always knew of in Brooklyn, NY where I grew up. By the way, the best way to dismantle Israel is to stop forcing American taxpayers to finance their health care and military costs. Since right wingers hate "moochers" and "free riders" this idea should meet their ready approval.
It means the Israeli government demand a dominant Jewish culture and a dominant Jewish ethnic make up. It's an absolute racist and even fascist doctrine. While Ireland, being part of the EU, is quiet the opposite with freedom of movement from all EU citizens in and out their country and got no say in what is to be their culture. And when the Israeli government demands that Palestine must accept a Jewish state, than they demand there is no right for return for Arabs because they are Arabs. You can even interpret that Israeli Jews have the right to do that again to preserve their ethnic, cultural ways / can interpret that Palestinians must agree that is was the rights of Jews to do that in the past. While the starting point of the negotiations is of course, that it's Israel committed a warcrime by ethnic cleansing 100.000's of people, and trashed their rights and thieved their properties. And it all needs to be compensated.
Compensations only as part of a peace agreement with all the Palestinians (Hamas and PLO), and only if Ronstar allows us - in his great wisdom - to keep our country.
Part 1: No it is not racist or Facist to protect national identity. While Ireland is in the EU, this was not always so. It took decades for Europe to unite and open up its borders, and they shared religion. Even so each nation still uses its language, still celebrates national holidays,honors national heros. With time perhaps a Jewish state, and Arab states will create a Union similar to EU, but dont put cart before horse. Part 2: Israel would pay all affected by the so called ethinic cleansing, as soon as the Arabs pay for the Hebron Massacre and other crimes during the so called Arab riots of the early 20th century.
A country openly preoccupied with what ethnicity and culture must be dominant is applying fascist/racist themes. Whatever. Ireland doesn't promote it's a country for their Irish people and their Irish culture. I doubt they ever did, since they now don't care at all with their open borders. And that is quiet the opposite of Israel. So you're example is obviously totally faulty. Nothing shows that they are willing. The Israeli government openly oppresses the idea of the Nakba / the idea that they ethnic cleansed 100.000's of people by law and thieved their belongings. Even you show that you're indoctrinated with that "so called" label.
Unless Israel allows a Palestinian State in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem, Israel will have to annex the West Bank and become a bi-national state. its that simple.
In Israel you have 1,719,000 Arabs (20%) In the West Bank and in Gaza there are 4.62 million Arabs. In 1947 there were only 1.7 million Arabs. Source: http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israe...ns-living-in-israel-to-outnumber-jews-in-2016 Where is the ethnic cleansing if the number of the Arabs rose from 1.7 million to 4.6 million in the West Bank and Gaza and in Israel ( the Israeli Arabs) to 1.7 million.
at the end of WW2, there were 30,000 Jews in Germany. Today, there are almost 200,000. are you saying the Holocaust didn't happen? Your logic suggests this.
In 1933 there were 565,000 Jews in Germany. In 1950 there werer only 37,000 Jews in Germany. In Poland there were over 3 million Jews in 1933. In 1950 the Jewish population in Poland reduced to only 45,000. In Romania there were 757,000 Jews. In 1950 there were approximately 280,000. And the list goes on. BUT! you say that the state of Israel doing ethnic cleansing, which means between 1948 until nowadays, which you cant see reduction in the numbers of the Arab population. Only raising. Source: http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005687
From the raising of Hitler in 1933 here were 565,000 Jews in Germany. 5 years from the end of the WW2 the number was 37,000 Jews in Germany. YOU say that the state of Israel is doing ethnic cleansing, which means between 1948 until nowadays. BUT the numbers shows the opposite! The numbers shows raising in the time you say there is ethnic cleansing. Thus there is not ethnic cleansing.
That's not what I said. The Holocaust doesnt happend in today's reality, thus, your claim that regard to today's numbers of the Jews in Germany is irrelevent to the Holocaust. The Holocaust happened in the 1930's until the mid-40's, thus you need to exem the numbers between 1930's (I gave you the numbers from 1933- when Hitler started to rule Germany), until 1945, the end of the war and the Holocaust. In those years there was a drastic reduction of the numbers of the Jews in Germany (as in Europe) if you compare the numbers of 1933. Now if you want to say that Israel is doing ethnic cleansing, then the figures of the Arabs in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza needed to be reduced from 1947. The period of time that you are talking about is 1948-Nowadays. and in that period of times there was only a raising in the numbers of the Arabs in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank. Thus your claim that Israel is doing ethnic cleansing is not add up with the numbers.
you said that if a genocide or ethnic cleansing is claimed to have happened, but population numbers have increased significantly since this happened, that means the genocide or ethnic cleasing didn't happen. this is your logic, and it applies to the Holocaust.
The Holocaust doesnt happend in today's reality, thus, your claim that regard to today's numbers of the Jews in Germany is irrelevent to the Holocaust. You need to exem the numbers from 1933- when Hitler got power in Germany until 1945. And in that period of time there was a drastic reduction of the number of the Jews in Germany as Europe. But you are talking about ethnic cleansing that is happening by Israel, thus you need to look on the numbers between 1948 until nowadays. If you compare it, then you will see an increase of the number of the Arabs, thus there is no ethnic cleansing.
I never said ethnic cleansing was taking place against Arabs in Israel TODAY. if you aren't going to read my posts, don't comment on them.
