Harry S. Truman Decided To Nuke Hiroshima And Nagasaki

Lets be honest, the fire bombing of Tokyo killed more people, then either of the A bombs dropped.

 

The president of the United States had no choice except being the first president to visit and open up relations with Communist China?? Are you (*)(*)(*)(*)tin' me?

 

Damn right there would be an invasion. The Japanese had no intention of surrendering. Have you seen news reels on the History Channel of the Marine and Army attacks on all those islands leading up to Japan? Very few ever surrendered. Japanese Woman threw their kids off cliffs and jumped off after them rather than surrender. We fire bomber Tokyo and several other cities, still nothing. It wasn't till we dropped the two bombs, I think they realized we could wipe Japan off the map and the Emperor called for a surrender. Even then, many of his generals and troops wanted to fight on. But they wouldn't go over the Emperor's head and defy him. I don't think there is any doubt if we hadn't of dropped them, we would have had to invade.

 

Baloney.

 

No choice, as in he did not have a choice of Nuking China, which is what I am talking about. Reading comprehension is important, when.... reading.

 

Your opinion. I have no doubt in my mind they would have fought till they couldn't have fought anymore. If you had read more of the books on the war and seen more of the newsreels on it, I think you would agree.

 

So...to be clear...in one breath you claim that hailing the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as sick and in the next, you celebrate the thought that you want to do the same thing.

Ooook then.

I guess my grand dad was a lot tougher than yours. He killed so many japs he lost count and he didn't use a bomb to do it.

 

The emperor was clearly smarter than you and realized the U.S. could have simply turned your entire little island into a radioactive parking lot.

Japan attacked the U.S. not the other way around.

 

To show how hard and defiant the Japanese were and determined not to surrender, we had been doing this for 9 strait months before we dropped the big ones and they surrendered.

" Strategic bombing and urban area bombing began in 1944 after the long-range B-29 Superfortress bomber entered service, first deployed from China and thereafter the Mariana Islands. B-29 raids from those islands began on 17 November 1944 and lasted until 15 August 1945, the day Japan capitulated.[1] The Operation Meetinghouse air raid of 9–10 March 1945 was later estimated to be the single most destructive bombing raid in history.[2]"

 

Japan may have attacked some of our West coast cities by surprise, although as many ships, military and civilian we had out on those waters, I don't think it would have been a big surprise. But to think you could have also attacked our East coast cities is a little far fetched. Way to far from Japan and they could have never gotten a force large enough and close enough to attack those cities without been caught way out. We have hundreds of ships traveling those waters supplying our Allies that were fighting Germany so we already were on guard in those waters.

 

Just how many of your politicians attempted to or completed seppeku after August 1945?

 

Russia invaded Manchuria, we took Okinawa, they seemed to plan to fight to the death and the Allies demanded an unconditional surrender so we used our best terror weapon to show what to expect and the Emperor finally made the call which saves untold lives and we rebuilt their nation. And he got to hold his place to a figurehead level. Roosevelt I'm not sure would have used it on a meaningful target.

 

Japanese arrogance got em nuked once looks like you are after more of it? Please don't eat American soldiers next time that really pissed us off.

 

I don't have a clue about where you got your warped perspective but one of my 20 year old grandsons has more of a clue!

 

All I can tell you is that General Marshall said dropping the bombs was a political decision, not a military one. If he had projections that showed 500,000 KIA (which he undoubtedly did), he would have said that the decision was a military necessity. Since Marshall was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs at the time, I'll go with his story. The Japanese were check-mated before the bombs.

 

The invasion of Iwo Jima caused 6,200 American deaths, and the U. S. outnumbered the Japanese by four to one. Okinawa cost 13,000 U. S. servicemen, and they outnumbered the Japanese by two and one-half to one. These 13,000 men made up more than 35% of the U. S. landing force. Consequently, Admiral Leahy came to the conclusion that it was absurd to think that any less than 35% of the American force that invaded Japan would be killed. Based on the estimate of 560,000 Japanese soldiers on Kyushu as of early August, Leahy predicted that at very minimum over 250,000 American soldiers would lie dead as a result of an invasion of the Japanese islands.

 

Japan was already overwhelmed, and Russia had already begun their invasion

 

that makes zero sense, if they were truly willing to fight to the last man, then even the bomb wouldn't have made them surrender.. on top of that, it's a historical fallacy when you throw in the fact that they were already in the process establishing an agreement of surrender which would have allowed them to keep their emperor (which in the end they did keep)


I feel the need to post these again


"During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'" - Dwight Eisenhower


"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons" - Admiral William D. Leahy

"...the Japanese were prepared to negotiate all the way from February 1945...up to and before the time the atomic bombs were dropped; ...if such leads had been followed up, there would have been no occasion to drop the [atomic] bombs." - Herbert Hoober


"I think that the Japanese were ready for peace, and they already had approached the Russians and, I think, the Swiss. And that suggestion of [giving] a warning [of the atomic bomb] was a face-saving proposition for them, and one that they could have readily accepted. In my opinion, the Japanese war was really won before we ever used the atom bomb. Thus, it wouldn't have been necessary for us to disclose our nuclear position and stimulate the Russians to develop the same thing much more rapidly than they would have if we had not dropped the bomb." - Ralph Bard


"I proposed to Secretary Forrestal that the weapon should be demonstrated before it was used. Primarily it was because it was clear to a number of people, myself among them, that the war was very nearly over. The Japanese were nearly ready to capitulate... My proposal to the Secretary was that the weapon should be demonstrated over some area accessible to Japanese observers and where its effects would be dramatic. I remember suggesting that a satisfactory place for such a demonstration would be a large forest of cryptomeria trees not far from Tokyo. The cryptomeria tree is the Japanese version of our redwood... I anticipated that a bomb detonated at a suitable height above such a forest... would lay the trees out in windrows from the center of the explosion in all directions as though they were matchsticks, and, of course, set them afire in the center. It seemed to me that a demonstration of this sort would prove to the Japanese that we could destroy any of their cities at will... Secretary Forrestal agreed wholeheartedly with the recommendation..." - Lews Strauss


"Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated." - Paul Nitze


"...when we didn't need to do it, and we knew we didn't need to do it, and they knew that we knew we didn't need to do it, we used them as an experiment for two atomic bombs." -Brigadier General Carter Clarke


General MacAurthur was also against dropping the bomb

Saturday Review of Literature editor Norman Cousins also later reported that MacArthur told him he saw no military justification for using the atomic bomb, and that "The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor."

http://www.colorado.edu/AmStudies/lewis/2010/atomicdec.htm

 

Dood, why are you pretending to be Japanese? You're no more Japanese than Justin Bieber. You can't write or understand (Hint: Don't try the translation software or you'll just further embarrass yourself to any native speaker!) katakana or hiragana and we haven't even gotten into the kanji yet. And there are a few blaring, flashing giveaways as well. Look, I know ridiculing ignorant rednecks is fun. Hell, it is pretty much my only childish, juvenile, immature guilty pleasure - but why do it in such a heavy handed, clumsy and so easily exposed way? Seriously. Trolling is an art. By the way, where is the nearest beer machine to the rear exit of Kiyomizu-dera, if you live in Kyoto?

 

Harry Truman was also a very bigoted man, which probably played a role in his decision to drop the bomb on Japanese civilians


“I think one man is just as good as another so long as he's honest and decent and not a ******(N-word) or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a white man from dust, a ****** from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman. He [Truman’s Uncle Will] does hate Chinese and Japs. So do I. It is race prejudice I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion that ****** ought to be in Africa, yellow men in Asia and white men in Europe and America." - Harry Truman 1911 (in a letter to his wife)

 

BS,and you KNOW it

 

Your post is intellectual a zero sum thing.

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How many of yours take responsibility?

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you attacked us first with sanctions. So please spare me that.

 

Why should i, when i can add you even more easily on ignore list? Its an american thing to always look for provocation. A boring game and i need to prove you nothing. I corrected your clumsy translator japanese before, offered you teachings to improve it. Thats the best i can do to you you did not answer. Some users here know me personal and skyped with me with webcam. So they know what i look like and who i'm. The rest is meaningless.

 

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