Harry S. Truman Decided To Nuke Hiroshima And Nagasaki

Of course he'd be a Republican today just as Martin Luther King was a Republican then. Sunny Jesus was a Republican.

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/contribute...on-america-used-nuclear-weapons-against-japan

Look, No, I don't have Harry's Ghost right here and if I did I'd sure have better questions for him. I admire Truman even above Roosevelt in many ways and I don't denigrate him for this. The world, not just Japan and even not just Russia, needed a big shock, a true eye opener to show just how terrible war had become in 1945, or we'd be right back at it in 20-25 years just like we had. Hell, considering the way people are getting about war now maybe we should have taken out Tokyo too, though I'm glad they didn't

 

How predictable. The first liberal reply plays the race card.

 

Well, you've just demonstrated that you don't know anything about cancer or terrorists. But we already knew that.

Please tell us about the influx of terrorism in germany and japan post WW2 due to our massive bombing campaign where we killed hundred of thousands civilians.

 

Germany and Japan are nation-states. The wars with them cannot be compared with wars against non-state actors.

 

What happened to the troll pretending to be Japanese? He was a hoot. I was hoping to introduce him to BENGHAZI! and see if he'd run with it.

 

It's called subsequent world history. Fer Crissakes you never heard of the Cold War, all the terror between communists and most everyone else in Europe from 1945 to 1950 and beyond? You never heard of Korea, Vietnam? No, there wasn't much that we heard of in Japan and Germany because they were largely still under military occupation, all the terrorists just went someplace else (something conservatives STILL can't seem to grasp, people actually move about in the modern world. I guess when you want to return to horse and buggies you have a problem with jets)

Oh. and you didn't hear of how the Soviet Union ran all of Eastern Europe? This little thing called the Iron Curtain completely missed ya, huh?

 

It can totaly be compared. Nation-state are artificial construct. What matters is the people. If you killl or maimed enough of them, they tire of the conflict. That's how wars worked in the past.

 

Vietnam wasn't about terrorism. The NVA wasn't a terrorist organisation. The north Korean weren't a terrorist organisation either. The communist/soviets weren't terrorist either. See a pattern?

But don't let logic and history prevent you from self destructing on this forum.

 

My great grandfather was an officer but served in china and korea and he does not tell such things and i believe him. He gave some of his english books from university to POW to learn and have something to read. You should listen both sides of the conflict.

You drive a Mazda and your sons toyota. I hope you are happy with them. The company im employed at produces much for Toyota and Mazda as well as Nissan and i hope you are happy with our work.

 

The Japanese were victims of an insane "Imperial Emperor"...Hideki Tojo. He was the super cod and he made all the decisions.

Talk about some irony...My wife and I vacationed in Hawaii about ten years ago and visited the Arizona memorial. There were twice as many Japanese tourists there as all others combined. Turns out the Japanese school children weren't even taught about the second world war for at least twenty years after it ended....they were ashamed of it.

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FDR was a criminal who used our constitution for toilet paper, and Truman was a coward who refused to put down China when it was still a cub. Now China is a full grown tiger, dangerous to the whole world.

 

The vets I knew, now long gone, welcomed Truman putting an end to the war in the Pacific, truly much worse than the war in Europe in many ways.

 

I liked Truman, he was a man who made decisions and stood by them and he took responsibility to everything he did. (The buck stops here) unlike Obama. I also am in agreement with him dropping the two atomic bombs on Japan as awful as it was, it saved millions of lives, ours, our Allies and Japanese lives. They were willing to defend their homeland to the last man.

I also liked Roosevelt a lot. His actions might have prolonged the Great Depression, but he just couldn't set by and watch people starve to death and not have some jobs and have some money to buy the basics. . To many lost everything they had. If he hadn't died, I think he would have been elected a forth time. My first presidential vote was for Kennedy and I voted Democrat right up to Carter. It was after Carter I turned Republican and voted for Reagan, and stayed Republican till I voted for Ross Perot. Then went back to Republican. (Carter really did me in) If I had any idea of switching back to Democrat, Obama has fixed that. That man has soured me so bad against the Democrats, I don't know if I could ever change back. If I did, I'd have to get that bad taste out of my mouth he put in by his policies and dictator leadership.

 

Do I need to post again about how wars are not decided by killing but instead by seizing objectives?

 

Do you think there was any racism invovled in his decision to nuke Hiroshimo and Nagasaki? I wonder what he would think of today's CIA. I bet it has turned out differently than he envisioned.

 

There was no need to drop the bombs or to invade. There was only a perceived need to get there before the Russkies could butt in.

 

I love my Toyota Camry. It runs like a charm, rarely breaks down and gets wonderful gas mileage. I'm sure my next car will be a Toyota. Thank you for your work.

 

Japan was near surrender BEFORE the bombs and they surely would have surrendered before the Russians got too close. The half million KIA is pure propaganda because there never would have been an invasion. Obviously you haven't moved beyond the propaganda.

 

Deflection is not your best suit. BTW I don't have a "Daily Black Crime Report" that seems to be your forte.

 

Marshall doesn't get enough respect in this country. He also said that statehood for Israel would be a huge mistake. And he turned Germany into a staunch ally. There should be a "General Marshall Day" but that would be insulting to the hyper-sensitive Zionists who would demand an apology from the first person who proposed such a thing.

 

Estimated casualties[edit]

Because the U.S. military planners assumed "that operations in this area will be opposed not only by the available organized military forces of the Empire, but also by a fanatically hostile population",[11] high casualties were thought to be inevitable, but nobody knew with certainty how high. Several people made estimates, but they varied widely in numbers, assumptions, and purposes, which included advocating for and against the invasion. Afterwards, they were reused in the debate over the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Casualty estimates were based on the experience of the preceding campaigns, drawing different lessons:

** In a letter sent to Gen. Curtis LeMay from Gen. Lauris Norstad, when LeMay assumed command of the B-29 force on Guam, Norstad told LeMay that if an invasion took place, it would cost the US "half a million" dead.[51]
** In a study done by the Joint Chiefs of Staff in April, the figures of 7.45 casualties/1,000 man-days and 1.78 fatalities/1,000 man-days were developed. This implied that a 90-day Olympic campaign would cost 456,000 casualties, including 109,000 dead or missing. If Coronet took another 90 days, the combined cost would be 1,200,000 casualties, with 267,000 fatalities.[52]
** A study done by Adm. Nimitz's staff in May estimated 49,000 U.S casualties in the first 30 days, including 5,000 at sea.[53]
** A study done by General MacArthur's staff in June estimated 23,000 US casualties in the first 30 days and 125,000 after 120 days.[54] When these figures were questioned by General Marshall, MacArthur submitted a revised estimate of 105,000, in part by deducting wounded men able to return to duty.[55]
** In a conference with President Truman on June 18, Marshall, taking the Battle of Luzon as the best model for Olympic, thought the Americans would suffer 31,000 casualties in the first 30 days (and ultimately 20% of Japanese casualties, which implied a total of 70,000 casualties).[56] Adm. Leahy, more impressed by the Battle of Okinawa, thought the American forces would suffer a 35% casualty rate (implying an ultimate toll of 268,000).[57] Admiral King thought that casualties in the first 30 days would fall between Luzon and Okinawa, i.e., between 31,000 and 41,000.[57]
** Of these estimates, only Nimitz's included losses of the forces at sea, though kamikazes had inflicted 1.78 fatalities per kamikaze pilot in the Battle of Okinawa,[58] and troop transports off Kyūshū would have been much more exposed.
** A study done for Secretary of War Henry Stimson's staff by William Shockley estimated that conquering Japan would cost 1.7–4 million American casualties, including 400,000–800,000 fatalities, and five to ten million Japanese fatalities. The key assumption was large-scale participation by civilians in the defense of Japan.[2]
** Outside the government, well-informed civilians were also making guesses. Kyle Palmer, war correspondent for the Los Angeles Times, said half a million to a million Americans would die by the end of the war. Herbert Hoover, in a memorandums submitted to Truman and Stimson, also estimated 500,000 to 1,000,000 fatalities, and those were believed to be conservative estimates; but it is not known if Hoover discussed these specific figures in his meetings with Truman. The chief of the Army Operations division thought them "entirely too high" under "our present plan of campaign."[59]

The Battle of Okinawa ran up 72,000 US casualties in 82 days, of whom 12,510 were killed or missing (this is conservative, because it excludes several thousand US soldiers who died after the battle indirectly, from their wounds.) The entire island of Okinawa is 464 sq mi (1,200 km2). If the US casualty rate during the invasion of Japan had been only 5% as high per unit area as it was at Okinawa, the US would still have lost 297,000 soldiers (killed or missing).[citation needed]

Nearly 500,000 Purple Heart medals (awarded for combat casualties) were manufactured in anticipation of the casualties resulting from the invasion of Japan; the number exceeded that of all American military casualties of the 65 years following the end of World War II, including the Korean and Vietnam Wars. In 2003, there were still 120,000 of these Purple Heart medals in stock.[60] There were so many in surplus that combat units in Iraq and Afghanistan were able to keep Purple Hearts on-hand for immediate award to soldiers wounded on the field.[60]
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Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall

You may dispute the numbers, however the above is historical information, NOT revised Progressive Marxist disinformation propaganda.

 

Who would you drop the bomb on?

 

Russia never had the ability to reach Japan in the first place, all they did was invade and clean out the Japs in Manchuria. Talk about not getting past propaganda.

 

Would you call a black person a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) so openly? You do know that "Jap" is a absolute racist word?