Ten yards for the LGBT community and eight yards for the rest of society. Do you have a tape measure ?
You don't seem to understand how our legal system works. Government cannot pass laws just because it got a majority vote. They must have a compelling societal interest. Thus far, nobody arguing in favor of SSM bans has successfully shown one. As for the "slippery slope" arguments, they are not germane. Even if you're right, and the same arguments could be successfully used to make sibling (for example) legal, even if the men and women in black robes agree with that, it's not on the docket, and thus they will remain silent on the issue. Even if deep down one or more judges want to address it, they won't. They need an on target case.
I know how system works, But those who supposed to represent justice and interpret laws did not do their job properly. The judges were probably obsessed with homosexuality and ignored strong legitimate arguments that governments have presented. Some of the judges (I believe in Iowa) went absolutely nuts. In order to justify gay marriage they say, that there is no difference between homosexual and heterosexual couples. How educated and sound-minded adult can pronounce that nonsense? But they did, and that tells me that deceit and corruption have taken the place of truthfulness. Even 16 years old can understand that intimate contact between man and woman is absolutely unique event and require government intervention. Marriage is a just a simple and positive way to regulate relationship between man and woman. Essentially government says to heterosexual couple, we impose great responsibility on you for your actions but at the same time we give you an option to receive government benefits and social recognition if you follow the path that we want. That is it. That is why we have marriage. All those arguments about infertile and old couples is absurdity in its finest. How government knows which couple is infertile? There is no way to find that out. The same thing with older couples. If government establishes the institution that supposed to give people lifetime benefit, age is absolutely irrelevant. The benefits designed to provide guidance for whole life and government does not know when or if every particular couple is going to get married. As you can see, Judicial system failed miserably. Not a single judge have ever given meaningful explanation, WHY 100% of private activity should be rewarded with people's money. None of them.
So?? That does not answer the question. Apparently you have an issue with this gay crosswalk thing but are not stating your position on gay rights. That's what this is about. I have been very open and upfront regarding my views on gay rights. You would know that if you have read much of what I have written here. I still don't know where you're coming from on legal rights for gays. Be honest play fair.
Nothing but meaningless craptrap from a person who has NO idea what they're talking about. Come June, your head is probably going to explode.
Agreed. Married couples should not get any tax benefits. But, how does that translate to gays should not be allowed to marry?
I think that it's already exploded. What a mess!! What is this "private-public activity" stuff? Very bizarre.
The translation is very straight forward. Gays should not get any government hand out, because their homosexuality is a strictly personal business and has nothing to do with government. I hope you understand that privately gay relationship can be called by any name.
Sure it could be meaningless for brainwashed or intellectually challenged person. June does not mean anything, we all know that executive and legislative branch of government is genuinely corrupt, judicial branch is not an exception. By the way corruption is rampant because of guys like you, who cannot connect three dots in the row.
How about you and the government mind your own *******n business and let consenting adults get married if they want to?
If he's like every other gay basher it's his inalienable "right" to persecute other people. It starts with being able to prevent others who they don't know, and have never met from marrying who they love, it continues with laws preventing these people from finding work and residence and ends with a society that permits and encourages beating and killing these same people on the weekends as a form of recreation. This is a tactic that conservatives have adapted for everything from the religious fanatics. "Oh, how dare you take away our religious 'right' to discriminate against people, denying others the same rights as us is part of our religion, how dare you be so intolerant of our rights to deny others theirs."(unless of course, they're Muslims, then just being in the same country is being killed). It gets even sillier, "How dare you be black, old, young, sick, poor, Mexican, not me? It's my inalienable RIGHT to persecute you, jail you, kill you for walking in my neighborhood etc." The greatest freedom, according to conservatives, is the freedom to oppress others.
This is exactly the problem I am talking about, that I can't stay away from someone, even if people like me move away within the same country and form our own society. This is not a freedom, it's a totalitarian governing, where people are forced to coexist with someone they don't like. I mean, don't like. "Don't like" doesn't mean hate, like many of you keep imagining. You mean, I fear to stay around you? "Don't like" also doesn't mean fear. If I don't like to see rats on the street does it mean I fear them? So, you are keep insisting that no one should force you to move away. Then why would you want to be around people who don't like you? It's not enough for you to be around people like yourself? Would you deny a peaceful compromise and keep forcing things to be your way? And the here is the reason why, going back to my 1st and 2nd post. BTW, you can not only force someone to move away if you don't like and hate, you can also put them into the prison, don't you see the prisons across the country? USA is the number 1 by number of people in prisons and by % of population. I am not suggesting that, only have right to build our own society.
Right now our rights are violated - people who don't like you are forced to be around you. And I never suggested moving anyone, you've brought that up. "Gay free" areas are not necessary "gay free" on a physical way. The communities I am suggesting are simply places, where gay ways are not favored, advocated, promoted, etc. You can be here, but respect our rules or face a fine. The way out is a compromise. Have similar areas with your own ways, where people can't be anti-gay for example, favor yourselves, etc. What are you going really to loose? Do you really want to be around people who don't like you, these "hateful homophobes???! So, it's up to you whether you want to stay around me or it's up to me whether you want to stay around. No one is forcing you to move. This is the freedom I would call a true freedom, not what we have here now. You are have a choice, I have a choice. More choice - more freedom.
You know, there are those who don't "want to be around" various other people too. If you could have your "gay free zones" would others also be entitled to there "zones" ? For instance: A black free zone. Blacks can go here if they don't act to black A Jew fee zone where Jews can go but nor where a yarmulke or do anything that reveals their Jewishness. An immigrant free zone where everyone has to speak English and never engage in any cultural activities related to their country of origin'' Is that the kind od country that you want? Is that your vision for the United States of America? This is the craziest crap that I have ever come across! (Here is an idea: A bigot free zone where you don't get to spew your moronic hateful equine excrement?)
Privately, yes you can call your relationship by any name. But marriage institution is a taxpayer money, so it is not my own business
You keep making that same mistake. Nobody gets money from the government for getting married. Why do you keep ignoring that fact? Do you think that reality will just vanish?
Absolutely nothing. They get to keep more of the money they earn. Their wealth isn't the government's by default. Seems kero is a communist, they are the ones that believe the government owns all wealth.
Oh, christ, you're back with this bull(*)(*)(*)(*)??? You may not like seeing rats (or homosexuals) in the place in which you live, but unless you are suggesting exterminating ALL of them (which MIGHT be possible for rats, but is not possible for homosexuals unless you exterminate ALL humans, as heterosexuals have a bad habit of giving birth to homosexuals) then your position is the stupidest (*)(*)(*)(*)ing thing I've ever read. You should probably just go anally flagellate yourself. You are one of the most vile humans it's ever been my displeasure to know.
