China's naval & military buildup

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  1. waltky

    waltky Well-Known Member

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    China makin' it's neighbors nervous...
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    Chinese missiles pose serious threat
    Tue, May 21, 2013 - Over the past few days North Korea has tested a series of short-range missiles that have sparked unease across Asia.
     
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    waltky Well-Known Member

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    China Ups Military Spending...
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    China to Ramp Up Military Spending
    FEBRUARY 3, 2014, China already spends more on its military than any country in the world except the United States. Now, as defense budgets at the Pentagon and in many NATO countries shrink, China’s People’s Liberation Army is gearing up for a surge in new funding, according to a new report.
     
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    Comparing China to the US is akin to comparing an elephant to a Tyrannosaurus rex. :smile:

    "In his history of hemispheric relations, British scholar Gordon Connell-Smith writes, 'While paying lip-service to the encouragement of representative democracy in Latin America, the United States has a strong interest in just the reverse,' apart from 'procedural democracy, especially the holding of elections, which only too often have proved farcical.'"

    Presidential "Peacemaking" in Latin America
    http://chomsky.info/articles/20100105.htm

    American Imperialism in Latin America
    http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/a_f/espada/imperialism.htm

    Covert United States foreign regime change actions
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions

    Why the US Government Is Hated All Over the World
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17747.htm
     
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    What is the point of your complaint when China's military expenditure is still below that of the US?

    If we divide each country's military expenditure by its total population, each Chinese can only defend himself with an ice cream stick while each American is holding a rifle. :wink:
     
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    waltky Well-Known Member

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    Uncle Ferd says China gettin' ready to take over the world...
    :eekeyes:
    Pentagon: China’s military budget continues rapid rise amid tensions
    June 5, 2014 ~ China’s military budget rose to more than $145 billion last year, as the country continues to build more advanced weapons that could target U.S. forces, the Pentagon said in its annual report to Congress on security developments involving China.
     
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    Uncle Ferd says China gettin' ready to take over the world...

    Auntie Fong says it's impossible unless Granny hands the world over to China.....

    Grandpa says if China can take over the world with $145 billion, America can take over the universe with $496 billion (or worse, God's Kingdom with $600 billion).

    Granny, please use your brain.

    It's puzzling what and why Hagel and others are screaming and protesting about.

    Maybe the world has changed to some sort of Alice's Wonderland with rats catching cats, and tigers fleeing at the sight of lambs.
    :oldman:
     
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    Ack! - now dem Chinamens got Bat-subs...
    :eekeyes:
    China's clandestine submarine caves extend Xi's naval reach
    November 1, 2014 — Beneath the surface of the South China Sea off the tropical Chinese resort island of Hainan, an underwater tunnel guides submarines into a lair reminiscent of a James Bond spy movie.
     
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    Ack! - now dem Americoolmen got Rat-subs...
    :fishing:
     
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    Granny says, "Dat's right - dey gettin' ready to bomb Pearl Harbor again...
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    Historians say China twisting its history to justify military buildup, aggression
    December 14, 2014 - China has increased its defense spending dramatically in the last decade to $131 billion this year, according to its official statements, placing it second only to the United States in military funding.
     
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    I believe more in foreign Commerce than foreign entanglements. We have a Commerce Clause.
     
  11. reedak

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    Don't you think Uncle Sam has frightened his neighbours to such an extent that they pee in their pants?

    The Monroe Doctrine (1823) explicitly stated that the U.S. would not tolerate European colonialism.

    Perhaps, it's a matter of time the Chinese will have their "Maoroe Doctrine" that explicitly states that China would not tolerate American colonialism and pivot to Asia. :smile:

    Latin America–United States relations
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_America–United_States_relations

    Monroe Doctrine
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine

    Some cartoons about the Monroe Doctrine and Roosevelt Corollary
    http://todayinsocialsciences.blogspot.sg/2013/04/some-cartoons-about-monroe-doctrine-and.html
     
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    Grandpa says, "Dat's right - the crows gettin' ready to "bomb" Pearl Harbor with their dung..."
    :smile:

    Granny, in this Nuclear Age, there is no time for any nuclear power (Russia or China) to bomb a remote island 2,300 miles (3,700 km) from the US mainland, but has to initiate a retaliatory nuclear strike on the US mainland immediately after the first US nuclear strike.
     
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    War between China and Japan is inevitable.
     
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    China will never conquer the world. I can prove it:

    [video=youtube;bRsqQokfiaY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRsqQokfiaY[/video]
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good gracious ... what are you thinking ? A 2 min video and I am already conquered by the desire to go to China and be surrounded by Chinese hotties dressed up like chickens :eyepopping::salute::knifefork:
     
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    Be sure to ride the train while you're there:

    [video=youtube;TEJ8VyDWNeM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEJ8VyDWNeM[/video]
     
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    There are 10 aircraft carriers in the United States, China, you know?
    As large as China and the United States, need to protect the things and people more.
     
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    don't panic, Chinese army only knows how to kill Chinese, that's what they best at, killing own people

    and please see this link as a reference.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/asia/...ngzhou-defeated-waves-west-pacific-ocean.html

    and I think you guys know about the recent conflict between China and Myanmar, Myanmar air force dropped booms to Yunnan, where is just next to Myanmar, and several Chinese were killed.

    we didn't see China takes military action. I hope she will though.
    so.............
    http://thediplomat.com/2015/03/its-official-myanmar-bombings-in-yunnan-killed-4-chinese-citizens/
     
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    Prophet Albert, your comment or prediction is no different from the following: :smile:

    1. The sun will burn out one day.

    2. Man's doomsday will arrive one day.

    3. War between the US and Russia is inevitable at a future point in time.

    4. Japan will settle scores with the US at a future point in time.
     
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    I beg to differ. For instance, 52 years after the 1962 Sino-Indian War, "the lessons of that crushing defeat still reverberate in New Delhi". The psychological "scars of that war still remain" in India which "has yet to recover from its 'battered victim' syndrome, especially in policy towards China".

    Following are excerpts from the 19 Oct 2002 article headlined "Remembering the China War - How Mao cut India to size" at http://ariseawakeyuvabharat.blogspot.sg/2011/12/remembering-china-war.html

    (Begin excerpts)
    Forty years after China humbled India in a two-front Himalayan war masterminded by strongman Mao Zedong, the lessons of that crushing defeat still reverberate in New Delhi.

    The war was Mao's attempt to demolish India as an alternative democratic model and geopolitical rival to communist China by heaping humiliation on it when it was militarily incapable and least expected to be attacked.

    That aggression changed the fortunes of the two Asian giants. India, respected then as a model pluralistic state in the developing world, never fully recovered from that invasion and is still searching for a role in international affairs commensurate with its size.

    India has not yet realised that to be recognised as an important international power, it has to start behaving and acting like one. So far, it has displayed the pretence of being a great power without having the stomach and spine to be one.

    In contrast, China, a backward state wracked by economic calamities in 1962, has gone on to successfully assert itself as a major global power through a display of indomitable spirit and political single-mindedness. It has found a cost-effective way to take on India through proxy threats mounted via Pakistan and, to a much lesser extent, Myanmar. Quite the opposite of the international view before the 1962 debacle, few recognise India today as a strategic peer to China.

    While India remains prone to seduction by praise, China practises realistic, goal-oriented statecraft. Even a bigger difference is that while India desires to be loved and seeks external affirmation of its policies, China insists on no less than respect....

    In the style recommended by ancient Chinese strategist Sun Tsu, who authored the treatise The Art of War, Mao chose an exquisite time for taking on India....

    Mao had been determined to cut India to size and undermine what it represented --- a pluralistic, democratic model for the developing world that seemingly threatened China's totalitarian political system. His premier, Zhou Enlai, readily admitted that the war was intended "to teach India a lesson".

    In one stroke, Mao also wrecked the international stature of Indian leader Jawaharlal Nehru, the key architect of the Non-Aligned Movement. Defeat transformed Nehru from a statesman into a beaten, exhausted politician, hastening his death.

    The swiftness and brute power with which Mao managed to teach India a lesson not only boosted China's image, but also helped him to politically consolidate at home at a time when famines and other economic problems following his disastrous 'Great Leap Forward' had created grassroots turmoil. Success, after all, has a thousand fathers, while defeat leaves an orphan....

    Four decades later, India has not forgotten the central lesson it was taught by Mao. India's rise as a military power with independent nuclear and missile capabilities is the consequence of a lesson learned.....

    But the scars of that war still remain. India has yet to recover from its 'battered victim' syndrome, especially in policy towards China. At the root of the feckless China policy is India's failure to build and exploit leverage. Since the re-establishment of full diplomatic relations following Mao's death, New Delhi has been the initiator of all the peace moves with China, even as Beijing continues to contain India without incurring any penal costs.

    Many Indians continue to look at India's options in crude, one-dimensional terms: Either national policy still propitiates China, or it risks open confrontation with a rising world power. Caution with prudence is understandable. But what Indian policy-makers still display is over-caution bordering on fear. Therein lies the enduring success of Mao's India war. (End excerpts)

    Well said, though it came as a surprise to me. I was expecting such comment as "the more Chinese 'gone boom boom' the merrier for Hong Kong".
     
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    reedak Well-Known Member

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    I wonder whether you can find something more exciting in an American train. It is a good test of observation to identify the gender of the passenger who was "busy readling" the newspaper.
     
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    Here at Hong Kong, quite lots of people keep notice china politics, and... it's very complicated, and Mr. Xi may not hold the military power tightly, he acts strong, but does he strong actually....it's just half and half.

    the only two men can truly and fully control china army, was Mr. Mao, and Mr. Tsang Shau Ping. the so called anti corruption actions of Mr. Xi, gets quite lots of generals angry.
     
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    It's an easy prediction to make. Nationalist forces in both countries are in ascendence.
     
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    1. If Xi wants to be a modern Bao Gong, he could not avoid getting "lots of generals angry". To consistently demonstrate extreme honesty and uprightness, the ancient Bao Gong of Song Dynasty had even sentenced his own uncle, impeached an uncle of Emperor Renzong's favourite concubine, executed Chen Shimei (the emperor’s new son-in-law) and punished powerful families.

    Like former Chinese prime minister Zhu Rongji, he had to prepare a coffin for himself as he would inevitably make many enemies in his anti-corruption campaign.

    In my opinion, to make his anti-corruption campaign easier, he should relax control of the mass media to let the free press do the dirty jobs of whistleblowing and supervising for him.

    2. Following are excerpts from the 11 Nov 1999 article headlined "China’s worried boss" at http://www.economist.com/node/258520

    (Begin excerpts)
    “PREPARE 100 coffins,” Zhu Rongji is said to have joked on one occasion. “Ninety-nine for my enemies and one for myself.” Rumours are swirling afresh, in Beijing and in the China-watching press in Hong Kong, that the prime minister is about to be laid in his. Blunt, impatient and uncorrupt, Mr Zhu, who is 71, has made plenty of enemies inside the Communist Party and, since he heads no faction in a notoriously faction-ridden system, few friends. In the West, on the other hand, he is often seen, albeit naively, as China's saviour, perhaps the only man capable of cleaning up the mess of the mainland's state sector and setting China's economy on the path of sounder, more normal growth. “China's Gorbachev”, the prime minister is sometimes called, a description he is likely to think of more as a curse. His nickname, the Boss, may be more acceptable, although it is less heard these days.

    Mr Zhu's cosmopolitanism is the proximate cause of his problems at home. The party's dourer wing has been able to attack him ever since President Jiang Zemin sent him on a state visit last April to Washington..... (End excerpts)

    3. Following are excerpts from the article headlined "Bao Zheng" at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bao_Zheng

    (Begin excerpts)
    Bao Zheng (11 April 999 – 20 May 1062), commonly known as Bao Gong ("Lord Bao"), was a government officer during the reign of Emperor Renzong in ancient China's Song Dynasty. During his twenty five years in civil service, Bao consistently demonstrated extreme honesty and uprightness, with actions such as sentencing his own uncle, impeaching an uncle of Emperor Renzong's favourite concubine and punishing powerful families. His appointment from 1057 to 1058 as the prefect of Song's capital Kaifeng, where he initiated a number of changes to better hear the grievances of the people, made him a legendary figure.

    Nicknamed "Justice Bao", Bao Zheng today is respected as the cultural symbol of justice in Greater China. His largely fictionalized gong'an and wuxia stories have appeared in a variety of different literary and dramatic mediums, and have enjoyed sustained popularity.... (End excerpts)
     

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