Anti LGBT Mindset: Why are YOU against gay rights? READ MOD WARNING IN OP BEFORE POST

If true then I must ask you to shut up, you don't speak for me, please stop it.

 

House Democrats Introduce Resolution To Combat LGBT Discrimination, Set To Unveil New LGBT Civil Rights Bill

Lets see who the shameful cowards are who vote against this

 

Why are you so angry? Who are you angry at? It seems that you have been angry at gay people and you want me to shut up because I'm straight and "don't speak" for you. Sorry, I'm not going to shut up. I feel very strongly about LGBT rights and protections, and I think that most LGBT people recognize that we can be valuable allies. I think that I have a pretty good handle on the social and legal issues, but if I've said something that is incorrect or offensive please let me know.

I would be interested to hear from other gay or transgender people on this forum with regards to whether or not I should shut up.

 

Sigh.

Over 10,000 Same Sex Marriages and some conservatives seem to have contracted some sort of disease over one cake.

Obviously the vast majority of gay people DO move on, or deal with businesses that approve of SSM as there have been only a small number of lawsuits.
We can easily find hetrosexual couples who have litigated over refusal of service as well.

So time to put on the big boy pants and come up with a real argument over SSM.

 

But there isn't a real argument so that is why they have to make thing up.

 

You and those like you, your ignorant hateful militant stance hurts the cause.

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ONE is too many.

 

I wasnt making a same sex marriage argument, Einstein.

 

That is certainly an interesting take on it. I can see both sides. On one hand, without that militancy, the progress that has been made would be far less than where we are at today. On the other hand, there has been a backlash, mainly in the for of these religious freedom laws and the doomsday histrionics that deaminize the LGBT folks. But how slow would you go How long would you wait? And no matter how slow or long, there would always be resistance and hostility. The opposition is decidedly militant and militancy has to be met with militancy. You seem to have gone to the other extreme with self denigration and capitulation. How far will that get you?

You called me ignorant and hateful. My friend, I am anything but ignorant. As for hateful, I do tend to be a little intense and aggressive but I don't think that it is inappropriate given the insanity that we are up against. I do in fact hate. I hate bigotry, stupidity and discrimination. We are not enemies, although you did a pretty good job of making me think that we were.

 

It's not ok to hate people over gender or sexual orientation. However, it is perfectly acceptable to hate people over their political ideology and the political coalition to which they belong. To the extent that a community is politically monolithic it is perfectly fine to apply that rule on a monolithic basis.

 

So when a mixed race couple sued a hotel back in 1974 because the hotel denied them spec for their wedding reception because they were against mixed race marriages - that should have ended mixed race marriages - cause, "one is too many" ?

Time to get real. Businesses get sued. It happens.

There have been over 10,000 Same Sex Marriages without lawsuits.

 

MOD EDIT - Rule 3

Sure they can sue, they shouldn't have won, the law shouldn't back such suits.

A loss wouldn't have ended mixed race marriages, they happened before that suit, they would have continued to happen after they lost. They'd just happen elsewhere.

As a transgender lesbian of African decent my opinion is rather solid on this.

 

Keep talking.

 

Late to the punch and didn't want to read through the entire thread.
I'll just attempt to itemize what factors sway my disposition away from the homosexual lifestyle.

1.Exposure - In my background, I was not exposed to homosexuality to the extent how it is at the forefront today. The nuclear family consists of a mother and father, that's how children come about. There was no media outburst or public stances that I can recall that sought to put homosexuality at the forefront.

2. Biology - Even if I had been exposed to homosexuality as much as others, by the time I was finished with biology in high school then it was clear that humans anatomical makeup really only supports heterosexual-type sexual interactions.

3. Society - It is frightening about the stranglehold that the homosexual agenda has on interpersonal interactions. Ant-discrimination laws; cabbies being fined $thousands, pizza parlors being the center of media attention. The common denominator in each case being homosexuals not yielding to the possibility of opposing views

4. Politics - It seems an unfair burden on the political process, legislation and the best interests of the public. From day 1 there has been legislation aimed governing the majority of the public. Then comes the gay agenda and we see a reversal in which legislation panders to the minority of public. Seems unfair that a special protected class is created whilst not necessarily bearing

5. Spirituality - In all of this I cannot overlook that there is indeed a spiritual component which disagrees with homosexuality. Never mind what is said in Leviticus, that is old testament. What Jesus and the apostles set forth to accomplish is where its at. Verses can be found in 2nd Corinthians and 1st Timothy which disagree with homosexual way of life. Almost as if those guys could foresee we would be at the crossroads we are at today and gave us the courtesy of warning us beforehand.

6. Future Repercussions - Could be the catalyst that opens up other social issues... transgender facilities or rights for other minority sexual orientations for example.

Just some of these things came to mind as to why I would prefer society not get so entangled in this homosexuality debate.
Sadly it is here, it is very real, and does not seem to be going away in the near future.

 

I don't think gay people are asking you to become gay.

They're just asking that conservatives stop targeting them with discriminatory legislation.

There have been over 10,000 Same Sex Marriages and only a few lawsuits for refusal of service. Hetrosexual couples have sued for refusal of service in the past, so that's not really a real issue of significance - just media hype.

Spirituality questions? Don't become gay if it bothers your sense of religious propriety - it's that easy.

The Future? When people start to clone themselves, we will deal with marrying your clone ... but this is about two people who in all anther ways meet the requirements for legal marriage. Today.

 

Not sure how you came to the conclusion that gay people are asking others to become gay from my post.
I also refrained from phrasing my rationale among conservative or progressive lines; as I am not an expert on those factions
At no time either did I mention homosexual marriage among my list of points.
So you introduced elements that I did not create, in order to make a point I was not debating on. Oh well...

In any case I do not think gay people are asking me to become gay; neither do I have intentions to become gay. But going by how these current events play out in media I can't help but think that the gay agenda does not leave room for disagreement in viewpoints... that is where my contention lies.
Here, the cliche "they are forcing homosexuality down my throat" would apply.
# As it did the case of the cabbie who wasn't comfortable with the lesbian PDA
# Similarly with the case of the Peaditrician who opted out of being the main doctor concerning the lesbian couple
# A parallel could also be drawn in the instance of Dolce & Gabana responding in an interview to a related question and facing subsequent outburst and boycott threats from high-profile celebrities.

You see, the image being painted is not one of live and let live... more along the lines of this is how it is going to be, deal with it.

As for spirituality... again you appoint a strawman to the notion that I have some intention of being gay.
I have no religious proprietary as you put it. I do not own religion; it is there; a facet of life if you will.
The religion I am familiar with contains text which mentions that we should be wary of homosexual lifestyle.
I would be easier on society if gays would leave religion out of the equation; sadly that is not the case.
# Gay proponents cry foul on the fundamental texts themself, leading to talk of a queen james version
# Gay agenda must be putting enormous pressure on the church to have church leaders voting on what can and cannot be allowed in the church, never mind what the foundation texts has to say.
# Marriage has always been something i come to know as a phenomenon between a man and a woman through the stewardship of the church. Unfortunately, this tradition appears to be eroding fast.

It is one thing to let every person choose their won path of spirituality. It is another to encroach and mould religion to suit one's needs.

 

I never understand when people thake the actions of a few vocal members of a group and attempt to paint the whole group in the same light. Most gay people simply live their lives and try to get by day to day.

I agree that many of the lawsuits are unnecessary (most lawsuits are) but some feel they are completely necessary to bring about change. Refusing service is a sticky point, one that will not end on this issue (remember blacks had the same problems at one point). People have the right to hold whatever views they have but others have the same right to voice their opposition to those views. You are basically saying that people should be able to condem homosexuality but gays and their supporters should be quiet.

To your point of it being against biology, science disagrees. Homosexuality exists naturally in thousands of different species and exclusive same sex pairing exists in several hundred. The more intelligent the species (dolphin, chimpanzee, several bird species) the higher the propensity of lifetime same sex pairing when homosexuality occurs.

As to the marriage issue, homosexuals first attempted to gain the ability to obtain civil unions (purely secular) but it was banned rather quickly leaving the only door open being marriage. People are going to fight to be treated equally - if the term marriage was so important why did the religious right push to ban civil unions and marriage like contracts. Seems to be more about control and power to me. And churches are not forced to wed same sex couples, but they are allowed to.

Marriage should have remained a religious prospect, as it stands right now it is primarily a civil union. The term marriage was significantly altered long before homosexuals were attempting to gain that right.

Face it, neither side is tolerant of the other - and both sides have militant members

 

The reason you were not exposed to homosexuality is that the gay community was forced to hide, there have always been homosexuals. The nuclear family is a western social construct, other cultures have different family structures.

Homosexuality has been observed in several species of animals. Anatomy is meaningless in this conversation.

This argument has been used against many minorities fighting discrimination and it has always been wrong.

What special rights have gays received that heterosexuals haven't already had?

Jesus had nothing to say about homosexuality and Paul never met Jesus. As far as Leviticus, any one who eats shrimp and lobster but then uses Leviticus to justify their bigotry toward homosexuals is a hypocrite.

Not sure what the fear of transgender facilities is about, but what are "other minority sexual orientations"?

Your are correct, this is not going to go away any time soon.

 

I think you're wrong on this point. SCOTUS is going to hear verbal arguments later this month and issue a decision in June, but personally I think they've already made up their minds and are going to rule SSM a Constitutional Right from sea to shining sea. It'll be the top headline for a day or three and then nobody save a few zealots will be discussing it anymore. Why do I think that? Personal experience. SSM was legalized in my state 3 or 4 months ago now and that's exactly what happened. It was the top story for about 2 days and since then it's totally fallen off the radar. Nobody is talking about it, and nobody cares. In fact, if I hadn't been informed by the news that it happened, I wouldn't even have noticed.

 

. I say it’s sad that there are people like you who have little knowledge and care less about what is at state for gays and their families. And, to refer to the “homosexual lifestyle” is very ignorant as well.

 

Are you now going to tell us that you support same sex marriage, while whining about and railing against gays in general.? You did say "sadly its here" did you not?

 

Slow down man.... you're getting worked up over nothing.
My initial post in the thread didn't even make mention of marriage nor of progressive / conservative ideologies.
I didn't deem them central to my reasons against homosexuality.

Why are you leaping to these issues? Is it to bait me into making a statement that wasn't central to the debate?

 

First of all I'm not at all worked up. Not in the least bit. I am at peace with myself and my beliefs and communicate them clearly. I'm not so sure that you are equally at peace with yourself, or that you are clear about your beliefs, even in your own mind. I'm just trying to get you to be honest and own your positions. It doesn't matter that you did not mention marriage in your initial post. Subsequently you did :

In the same post that you wrote that, you complained that someone else brought up marriage. Common!!

As far as ideologies goes, I too did not focus on that. OK, I mentioned the religious right because they are, undeniably a big factor in all of the angst over gay rights. I responded to your initial post based on the realities of the issues. Now can you address the points that I made in that post?

I.m not leaping to anything. Even without your above statement, it is logical and reasonable to conclude-based on your statements about gays and the "gay lifestyle" , agenda, parenting, and your religious condemnation of homosexuality that you are opposed to same sex marriage. Are you opposed to it-yes or no?.

 

PS. The "debate " is about gay rights" Marriage is the mother of all rights to be considered. Therefor marriage is in fact central to the debate. Keep calm and carry on.

 

I have no doubt that there are homosexuals who want nothing more than to live there life in peace and not get up in people's faces.
A fitting analogy I see people throwing around is "Two men are walking down the street; which one is gay?"
But not all homosexuals are easy-going; not all homosexuals can deal with conflict on an interpersonal level.
But that is not what plays out in the media though. And me on the outside looking in, that is what I am seeing, that is the narrative that homosexuals are painting in america.
What could have been a case of opposing views turns into a homosexual discrimination media blitz.
Why is this? Why is the media eager to report on these issues which provide a negative connotation to the gay lifestyle?
Why is the gay agenda so eager for those type of stories to make headlines?

The way how this plays out resembles the ongoing debate among moderate muslims and extremists. Sure they say that Islam is a religion of peace, but the narrative being portrayed by actions in the name of Islam paint a different picture. Then moderate muslims would say that the extremists are not doing these acts in the name of islam; yet the media never seems to pick up on moderate muslims addressing the stigmas being created.
Basically replace moderate muslim and extremist with rational homosexual and gay agenda sociopath and that is how people on the outside,i.e. people like me, are seeing this thing.

As for the part in blue, it seems that we are drawing two different interpretations from the same media outburst.
I am saying gays are making an issue out of nothing. Crying wolf to get the widest audience and point to problem that would not have been as prevalent if recurred under different circumstance.
Neither of these circumstances did I interpret as the homosexuals being condemned:
# The cabbie and the lesbians - lesbians turn it into discrimination - media blitz
#The pediatrician and lesbians - lesbians turn it into discrimination - media blitz
# Dolce & Gabana and Reporter - gay celebrity takes offence to an opinion - media blitz and boycott threat.
# pizza parlour and gay wedding - reporter isolates an opinion from an interview - media blitz

Those are the stories I am seeing. That is the image that homosexuals are creating. There is a pattern / trend emerging and it does not show a community which realizes there are differing opinions on homosexuality.
You say it is not representative of the rest of the community, then why is the rest of the community seemingly turn a blind eye.

You might very well be on to something here

 

That wasn't your intent. You made personally derogatory comments. That's just wrong. Treat people less aggressively and they will be nicer to you my friend.