Why do Americans value the ability to own a gun so much?

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  1. Reality

    Reality Well-Known Member

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    Awww what's wrong? Weren't winning the argument so you had to change the subject again?
    How do yall say it? Soooooory
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some people are a paranoid lot. Americans generally are very neurotic about others. My general thinking is this: if you have to hunt for your food, or work in a business that puts you as a prime robbery target or need a gun because of your job, then guns make sense. Otherwise it comes across to me as "I must defend the right of the bad guys to have guns so I can have a gun to protect me from the bad guys." It makes no logical sense to me.

    I inherited some guns. I let my brother who hunts pick the ones he wanted for sentimental reasons because he has a gun safe and I destroyed the others. I know how to shoot and am a pretty crack shot, but I do not hunt and do not want them in my house. I don't have little kids running around or anything else that puts them likely to have been misused. My reason is two fold. I think by people knowing I have guns in my house would make it more likely they would try to break in when I am not there to steal them and I simply do not want to have to think about them, clean them, secure them and all that other nonsense. To me, to be a truly responsible gun owner, you would have to secure them in such a manner that you likely would not be able to readily access them in the event you needed them to defend yourself. Otherwise you are not a responsible gun owner so much as just lucky.
     
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    Criminals don't follow laws. The bad guys are always going to have guns.
     
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    I have always wondered - what IQ a person must have to think eryone that knows statistics must be a "leftie". Here is a pro tip - there are MORE people in USA now than there were in 1970. C&R FFL collecting is also on the rise (for example, I went from 5 firearms in 1980 to 100+ in 2015). Ponder that for a little bit while you google what a C&R even is.

    The numbers I posted came from Pew Research; but I had heard those numbers before. Now I know you think that you know more than Pew Research and other groups like the CIA that track firearms ownership in USA by year; but I am not so sure you do. Pew got their information from GSS, which is NORC's longest running survey. I think they know what the numbers are. You; well apparently not so much. BTW, assuming you are at least a tad smarter than your genius idea that I am a Democrap; here is the actual raw data. You can actually play around with it and figure out gun ownership every year since 1972. https://gssdataexplorer.norc.org/

    "Lefties and their fake facts". Man that's some funny stuff. You can't make this stuff up, I swear. I wonder how some folks even find their way to the internet sometimes. ROFLMAO.
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They get them from somewhere. It won't be me.
     
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    Big ass weapons like sticky bombs? Well, I guess we would need those if we planned on facing tanks head on, but, as I said, that's not really how such wars are fought. Another thing to remember is that, unlike in wars against other countries, the military isn't going to carpet bomb or "shock and awe" a US city where their friends and relatives live, so that takes the more powerful military weapons off the table. Guerrilla warfare would be especially effective here.
     
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    Something that a lot of clueless gun grabbers seem to not understand - a CNC machine for gunsmithing is not a ton of money. And some great weapons out there are public domain; like the ageless 1911. The day you cannot buy a Saturday night special for $50, is the day thugs start making their own. What a sick cottage industry, but it would happen. Here is Grizzly - I started seeing them in Shotgun News in the 80's. https://www.grizzly.com/products/category/480000

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    There are a lot of people on PF that need to go to Netflix and rent Red Dawn. Patrick Swayze was da man! And Powers Boothe.
     
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    I think a lot of people are resistant to gun control because we're resistant to control in general. We don't like the idea of the government taking things away from us, whether it's guns, alcohol, or gas-guzzling vehicles. We don't like guns we don't like being controlled. However this idea of possessing a weapon may be revised.
     
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    How do you suppose they'll know? You keep a sign on your door or something?
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I might as well. One of my brothers--not the one I gave the guns to--runs his mouth to everybody about everything in his little circle of low-life drinking buddies, especially my business.
     
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    Sounds like you'd be better off giving him a tune up or here's a thought: not telling him your business if he's a dumbass
     
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    It is symbolic of self determination which is something that most if not all of those nations are lacking in to one degree or another.

    People cause those problems guns do not. Just as cars cause no deaths but idiotic drivers do.
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't have to tell him my business. He has super psychic powers. That is why he is such a dumbass. All his energy goes into osmotically knowing things. In this case, it does not matter. The Will is a matter of public record and I have been shocked at the number of random people who have said they have seen it. Obviously my family saw it, but do people just camp out at the courthouse waiting for wills to be probated or something?
     
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    How does an inanimate object cause problems?
     
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    Why do we value out guns.....it's our insurance policy.

    Now the question you should be asking why do libs want to take away our insurance?
     
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    WOW......this poster is precisely why "We The People" must remain heavily armed.
     
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    Well that's your right.....but you don't get the right to tell me or any other person how to protect themselves.
     
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    Then move.....and put your trust in government for your freedoms.

    I rather trust my weapon.
     
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    You can shoo the bear away without a firearm......not so much for armed government thugs.
     
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    You think our government will use tanks and aircraft against it's citizens?
     
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    Here's a poster that want to incrementally disarm the populace.
     
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    I promise you could buy a mossburg 500 and keep it in your bedroom closet loaded and ready and he'd never know about it unless you told him or let him snoop around your house.

    Yeah some do looking for estate sales and (*)(*)(*)(*) like that. So do home flippers and agents who want to sell your dead relatives crap for you on commission. Records are pretty easily searchable online. For instance I work at a lawyers office and I essentially stalked a woman today so we could get her signature to cure a 50 yr old title defect. Found her home address and phone number along with her voter registration and a number of other things. Took me 10 minutes.

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    I promise you could buy a mossburg 500 and keep it in your bedroom closet loaded and ready and he'd never know about it unless you told him or let him snoop around your house.

    Yeah some do looking for estate sales and (*)(*)(*)(*) like that. So do home flippers and agents who want to sell your dead relatives crap for you on commission. Records are pretty easily searchable online. For instance I work at a lawyers office and I essentially stalked a woman today so we could get her signature to cure a 50 yr old title defect. Found her home address and phone number along with her voter registration and a number of other things. Took me 10 minutes.
     
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    How do you defend yourself against someone also carrying an instrument of death (not a gun).
     
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    Yeah, well i dont see how anything we do in iraq or syria will change those risks measurably.... Just my guess.... Cause the people on those battle fields are not the one arranging 9-11 type attacks

    But i dragged off topic
     
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    Martial Arts.

    Capoeira, for example, was a dance that became a martial art because they were slaves who were not allowed to defend themselves in any way in Brazil.
     

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