Why We’ll Never Bake Your Fake ‘Wedding’ Cake

My state has quite a few laws with which I'm less than thrilled... We are the nanny-state poster boy.

 

..and yet, here you are, supporting something abnormal....that goes against God's Word........
even getting snarky.
This is another fine example of how you and I are not equals

 

Hey, if Unitarians want to be able to perform legal same sex marriage ceremonies, why should you be able deny them their religious freedoms. Why is
your religion more important than theirs?

 

Religious beliefs have nothing to do with it. The real issue is freedom of association v. public accommodation. I'll always err on the side of freedom. Does a Muslim have a right to walk into a Jewish deli and demand Halal? Can I walk into a Muslim restaurant and demand pork sausage? I don't think so. So why should a bakery be compelled to serve a customer that they don't want to serve? I should be able to refuse service to anyone -- regardless of the reason.

There are some cases, however, where exceptions are necessary -- take the case of a pharmacist who refuses to dispense birth control based on his convictions. That's not his call and he agreed to that when he chose to enter the field and obtain a license. Or the case of the Muslim taxi drivers in Minneapolis who will not pick up passengers with dogs, passengers they suspect of being homosexual, or passengers transporting liquor -- again not your call: You are licensed to use the public roads and you are a part of the transit system. If you have a problem with that you need to find another line of work.

 

Notice the absence of even a mention of Ireland in the post you chose to quote and respond to. Let go of the pointless irrelevancy, if you can, and try to focus on the topic of discussion.

 

I'm glad you are beginning to see the light. People have a religious right to practice their religious freedom to reject same sex marriage. Even the democrats and the President of the United States Barack Obama had this view just a couple of years ago. Just because they changed their political views on this does not mean the rest of the country should be forced to comply under penalty of law.

 

Your god is not mine. Regardless, he has no say on the laws of this country. Sorry.

 

So if in your view they discriminate against a same sex couple, what will you do about it? You will prosecute them, will you not? And if they are found guilty, how do you penalize them? With fines? By closing their businesses? What if they refuse to close or pay the fine? What then? Will you put them in jail? Will you confiscate their property?

 

You chimed in with some stupidity about Ireland. After I pointed it out you've been trying to run from it.

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If they are a business and discriminate, they will face penalties.

Well I'm not a district attorney so.......

Again, if the break the law the face the consequences.

 

why is their religion , or lack thereof, rate over my religious beliefs?
BTW, I belong to no denomination. I don't do dogma

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okaaaaaaaaaaaay...you and I don't have the same God................bwahahahahahahahaha
even your God says it's a sin.

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naw. They'll burn it down and run the family to ground to destroy them for their thoughts.. and they can do that with their own approval, without government assistance

 

If you are an employee, and your employer says to have to dispense birth control or pick up passengers with dogs or liquor, then you have to make a personal judgement as to whether the job is right for you. If you own the pharmacy, or you own the cab, you should be able to do what you want.

 

then come find me. I won't deal with gays

 

So the thought police will fine you and/or put you in jail if you have a political or religious objection to same sex marriage? That is what you are advocating.

 

I'll have to disagree with you on that last point. We license pharmacists for a reason... and we license cab drivers for a reason... Very good reasons. When you accept the license, you agree to the terms of the license and professional ethics of your field.

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I think that's a bad business decision. But fortunately, you are allowed to make bad business decisions and I will support your right to be a bad businessperson.

 

Dude, I've prolly handled more money in a month than most gays handle in a lifetime.
I have lost 0% business and still did ok.
but, sincerely, thanks for supporting my decision. That's what's so sweet about living in America. We have the right to make our own decisions. good, bad, or indifferent.

 

But you're arguing that a minister of the Unitarian Church and his congregation should NOT be able to have the religious freedom to marry same sex couples.
Is your religion more important than theirs?

 

Ok. Then you will face the consequences.

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This is a strawman.

I never advocated or posted any such thing.

 

nope. haven't yet and never will.....bet that melts the frosting on yer cake

 

I believe as the democrats and President Barack Obama believed just a few years ago. Marriage is between one man and one woman. Nothing has changed that. If a minister from the Unitarian Church or any other religion wants to marry a same sex couple, they should go ahead and do that. It should not be recognized by the state as a valid marriage.

The only thing that has changed in the last 4 years is the politicization of the issue of same sex marriage and the alienation of people from their religious beliefs that has been codified in law by liberals on the bench. When you start making religious beliefs illegal, you are violating the First Amendment freedom of religion. This is something that is explicit in the Constitution. Gay marriage is not.

It will be a sad day when the first person is sentenced to jail for their political or religious beliefs in this country.

 

do you actually belief there are no consequences for gays trying to destroy people's businesses?

 

How is it a strawman when in the same post you just said that [MENTION=58848]stjames1_53[/MENTION] will "face the consequences"? What consequences?

You are advocating using the force of law, the power of the state to enforce same sex marriage.

 

or executed, which I believe the militant gays prefer

 

I'm just saying that being blatantly "anti-gay" is probably bad for business in an era when the shifting tides are making that opinion less and less popular. I happen to disagree with your opinion, but you have every right to hold and espouse it, and I will defend said right to the extent of my ability. And on some level, I will even say that I can respect you for standing by your beliefs to your potential economic detriment, as much as I don't understand--honestly--what all the fuss is about. As a straight dude, I can only say that I can't ever imagine wanting to get with another dude... But why you would let it bother you so much that they are out there is beyond me. Far more important things to worry about in my view, but... YMMV.

I don't mean YOU specifically... well, unless you actually happen to own a bakery... Heh.

 

Yet you are arguing that the Unitarians and other religious groups should not have legal standing for THEIR religious beliefs.

And gay people have ACTUALLY BEEN jailed, fired from their jobs and their military service disrespected in this country. So I find your "woe is me" rhetoric simply pathetic.

 

Two questions if you don't mind:

1) Why should the state recognize any marriage?;
2) If the state is going to recognize marriage, why is it legally proper to stipulate gender?