250 laid-off at Disney, replaced with Indian H1-B workers

Let's just keep giving those tax breaks to corporations. Is this an example of the great "job creators" in action? That trickle down is working wonders for Americans again.

 

So is immigrant labor. Apparently they work the jobs Americans don't want, or something.

 

I would never train my replacement if he was brought in like those at Disney. I'd tell the company to kiss my ass and then I'd go home.

 

I said the same thing, but Disney probably held their severance pay hostage or something like that. Disney is now on my (*)(*)(*)(*) list.

 

"250 laid-off at Disney, replaced with Indian H1-B workers"

and if any of the other employees complain they probably have to go through diversity training

same with foreign outsourcing..... if your upset that jobs are being outsourced.... diversity training

yet, once you get a foreign outsourced management in place, they only hire outsourced employees, not hiring American is not a diversity issue

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This is what we get for having representatives that are on the take.

 

250 less people who will be buying overpriced tickets to those parks.

Unfortunately, this is, however, where the system is going: More and more pressure on the average guy to stay afloat, leaving them with less money to buy the product and services that the corporations are trying to foist onto them with increasing frequency. But, I am sure a bunch of tax cuts to Disney will fix everything -- at least for imported labor from India and capital going offshore.

 

Let Disney import heir customers too. I'll have to inform the kids in my family that "Disney on Ice" is not an option next year. The greed disease always stimulates my vomit reflex. And as my dad always says... May greedy fools be forced to spend their profits on a dentist.

 

As an American of Indian heritage, I don't like fresh off the boat Indians. They don't do well to assimilate - although they're pretty peaceful. I just wish they'd stop moving in mass to apartments and hanging out in clusters.

 

It's our evil effing government. I knew that was gonna go down, too. When Disney put in SAP they paid over a hundred million for the project. As soon as they were done, the system integrator said "we can lower your cost of running SAP by 75% if you let us do an off-shore model for post go-live support". Step one is training the off-shore, and step two is onboarding the offshore team. Cognizant did the EXACT same thing at Southern California Edison. As soon as the SAP upgrades were done, CTS told them to ditch all their American employees and let the SAP systems get maintained by the offshore team. At CTS, a Senior Director bills at $350/hr and makes $200K. Replacing with an offshore employee at the Sr. Manager level drops the rate from $400/hr to $36/hr; and the offshore Sr. Manager makes 2 million Lakh. That's $30 grand a year. Back in the 1990's an American with 10 years of SAP experience was worth $300/hr to $350/hr. The Indians started coming over and saying they would do the same job for $100/hr; and they would lower expenses by never going home on weekends, living 4 consultants to a hotel room, sharing a cab and not using a rental car, and by eating for 50% of the standard per-diem rate. Here we are 25 years later and an American (now with 25 MORE years of experience than he had in the 1990's) cannot find work at $100/hr. Indians are now doing IT consulting for $25/hr to $40/hr. Every IT system integrator is doing this now - a 70/30 offshore model to cut the billing rate by 75%. Accenture, Cognizant, CAPgemini, IBM, PwC, KPMG, TCS, Wipro, HCL Axon, etc. Everyone is doing that - putting the Americans out of work and only hiring Indians.

 

That's what mountains of regulations, and Obamacare can do for American jobs.

 

I hope for the kids sake you have alternatives in mind. Hershey Park? Not being sarcastic, just don't want your politics to ruin their good time. Presuming they're not of the age to understand why it's "not an option".

 

This conversation is interesting. The only true solution is to discontinue the guest worker Visa program. If we stopped giving tax cuts to these corporations (ending "trickle down"), Disney may still fire those Americans and hire them with cheaper labor that has been imported to the country. However, if that policy didn't exist, and those immigrants couldn't come here to work, Disney would have no choice but to hire Americans if they wanted that particular job done.

 

In 2014, Disney paid over $4,200,000,000 dollars in taxes (4.2 billion), at an effective tax rate of 34.6%.

(source)

 

Maybe you missed the part of your article that said Disney's reorganization was creating more jobs than are being lost.

 

When you live in NYC, there are lots of options They are actually getting old enough for a bit more sophisticated entertainment anyway.

 

I read the entire article and nowhere did it have anything positive to say about the outcomes of those displaced and replaced...in fact...just the opposite. Disney is full of (*)(*)(*)(*)!

 

"The report added that Disney executives said the layoffs were part of a reorganisation, and that the company opened more positions than it eliminated. "

“But Disney directly employs fewer than 10 H-1B workers, executives said, and has not been prominent in visa lobbying,” the report quoted officials of the organisation as saying

You are blaming Disney for the hiring practices of a company they contract with. Disney outsourced some jobs and added more jobs than they terminated. I am sure their typewriter repairman was upset when he lost his job too.

 

Disney? That bastion of American liberalism? The people who own ABC News? The people who gave us Jory Rand? ??? Seriously ???

What a bunch of hypocrites!!! Every week for the past year Dianne Sawyer and David Muir have been filling our eyes and ears with "made in America" propaganda, and now the company that owns them sells us out and ships all our jobs overseas?

That is the last time I ever buy a ticket to Disneyland.

(Besides, they're two hundred bucks now, they're not worth it anymore. LEGOLAND is a lot better, the kids like it better too).

 

I'm blaming Disney? I think the employees that were screwed out of jobs know exactly which entity is to blame. Why have you chosen to cherry pick the article? How did you come up with blaming the entity that sends the workers that Disney has chosen to request and employ???

BTW.. the article does state that the American workers were more qualified and experienced so I don't think that your typewriter reference is applicable.

 

I am not cherry picking the article. A fact is a fact. I will concede the point about the typewriter repairman in the sense most people would take it. I think the idea that people will be directly employed by a brand company instead of being employed by subcontractors is a business model going the way of the typewriter. Disney is a global company so I do not feel any outrage that foreigners are getting jobs held by Americans in America. Could be because I live in an area where most of the new manufacturing jobs are being created by foreign-based companies and see H1B's as essential to that continued investment. Since the plant manager at one of them was very unexpectedly reassigned to europe once the union movement got enough signatures to move forward with the next step in unionization, I would not be surprised to see it closed if the union comes in.

 

Interesting, when Illegal aliens take Americans jobs you guys pom pom rah rah for it, some indians with visas come in, its all of a sudden Reagans fault.
geesh, the racism against Indians is out of control on the left. These are good people just looking for a better life...right? RIGHT?

 

From what I gather, they are being hired because they are willing to work for less than the employees they are replacing.

That's just how economics works. You can complain about it, I guess, but if doing that is more profitable, then that's just how things work. American workers that want to compete will just have to work for less.

And yes, I know the argument against. The idea that a company would prefer to make more of a profit at the expense of American workers is supposed to be somehow bad. Yet I doubt those guys from India aren't complaining any. For them it's a good thing. If you want an isolationist country, then that's cool. Plug up the borders, stop issuing work visas, and withdraw into a nationalized bundle of outrage that you're just not worth as much as a bunch of guest workers from a developing country.

The emotional argument against this is easy to understand, but the basics of capitalism are not swayed by emotion. So you either compete, or crawl into a ball of hatred and stop competing.

 

Disney is just another soulless corporation who does evil while trying to portray itself as "family oriented". Screw them, if more people would boycott the disgusting corporate entities our country would be a much better place.

 

I will agree that Disney is just another souless corporation. They are in business to make money. Not just a little, but as much as they can. If they can make more money by hiring immigrant workers (legal no less) than hiring Americans, then what's the problem?

Also, Indians have families too. Surely you don't begrudge the indians for trying to provide for their families. So what is the problem? That they aren't national isolationists who don't favor American families over Indian families?