250 laid-off at Disney, replaced with Indian H1-B workers

Politics are always local. It is the art of looking out for your own interests. While I do not begrudge the Indians for trying to get the jobs of Americans, I do realize that their actions, and the actions of Disney are contrary to my interests, and the interests of my country.
Logic dictates that priorities are as follows
Your first responsibility is to yourself, then to your family, then to your friends, then to your neighbors and community, then to your state, then to your country, and then to the world.
When you begin to mix up the priorities, then you are putting your own best interest in jeopardy, and that is fairly stupid.

 

You haven't lived until you see Jasmin naked.

 

First of, those aren't American jobs. Those are Disney jobs that happen to be located in the united states. Disneyland is a multinational with resorts all over the world, they run cruise ships, hotels, a movie studio, and a vast amount of products that generally feature images of their intellectual property rights (e.g. mickey mouse watches).

Disney is not an American company, so they have absolutely no reason to care what nationality their employees are. If you want to do the same work for less, you are more valuable to the stockholders than some yahoo with an American passport that thinks mickey mouse owes them a living wage.

So your first responsibility as a nationalist, is to yourself and your country, yes? Does becoming an isolationist country work in your country's best interest? Or does pulling on your MIA bootstraps and competing with the rest of the world work in your country's best interests?

 

Yep, it is an emotionless, capital-driven world. The same world, in which this company is knowingly cutting off its own customer base by making their employees compete with third-world wages. Of course, they know that the consequences of this race to the bottom have to be paid only by their grandchildren, while the CEOs themselves are making out like bandits today. May their heads be saved by the welfare state that ensures that at least some money is trickling back to their customers, so that demand for their tickets won't drop off immediately. Because the Indians sure ain't buying any. Supply and demand in action indeed.

 

Are you saying there's a little-known part of the Magic Kingdom called Disney on the Pole or have you been downloading hentai again?

I remember being in the house of a customer who was just proud as punch of their son with the new MBA and his new intern position. When she said he was at Disney for the summer my tongue was hurting so bad from biting it to keep from saying, "So that's where they get the Goofys from."

 

Naked Jasmin is not hentai.

Buwahahahahahaha....

But you want to know something that's wierd about that situation?

Disney has becoem a very litigous business and will often sue people for drawing Mickey Mouse. In one of the worse cases they sued and entire classroom of children for drawing the character because they consider it a copyright violation.

Yet, and i have been searching for information regarding this specific kind of lawsuit, they don't sue people who make Disney based porn.

At least as far as I know.

So this poses a mystery for me, and one i may not solve for a long time, if ever.

I SHALL NOT WAVER UNTIL I FIND THE ANSWER! I SHALL PERSIST AND PLOD ON!

 

The problem is that Disney execs are a bunch of hypocrites.

They fill our eyes and ears with propaganda and then they turn around and do the exact opposite of what they've been promoting for the last few years.

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Sounds to me like you understand this issue.

 

That's what all self righteous people do, impose and run away.

Christians, liberals, and conservatives alike.

They always demand people follow their rules, and then have an excuse for why they don't have to.

 

Yes, but this is the worst form of hypocrisy. Disney's business is children, and I'll bet over half those people they laid off had some. Good old American kids, the kind that demand their parents buy tickets to Disneyland.

I mean, we can't even trust Disney anymore, the people who bring smiles to our childrens' faces. Now every time we see them smile we're going to have to second guess the reasons for it, and start building the list of realities to tell our kids about when they get old enough.

This is miserable behavior on Disney's part, it's like the Grinch stealing Christmas or something.

 

The workers at disneyland aren't their customer base. And even if they were, this idea of retaining people in order to keep your customers is just plain wrong. That's not how things work.

 

No? But they may be someone else's customer base who is now losing business.

I bet you that 100s of companies in the US are doing the same, hiring low-wage international workers, or just flat out offshoring jobs. One company replacing higher paying with lower paying jobs may not make a difference in aggregate demand. 100s to 10,000s doing it will, and Disney will feel it too. They'll have to continue catering to a smaller and smaller elite of people who can still afford to go on vacations and shell out 100s of bucks for the privilege to still wait in line for rides and pay more for overpriced, low-quality food.

It is no wonder that our economy is limited by low aggregate demand, and moves like this one ensures that aggregate demand will get even lower. If you'd listen to the GOP, though, the solution to all this would not be to focus on increasing demand, no, the supply side has to be favored even more strongly, so they can make even more products that few can buy. If that's not a lesson in futility, doubling down on policies that are clearly not working, then I don't know what is.

 

Yes, that's been going on for quite some time now. But products change, the marketplace changes, and new well paying jobs are created while previously well paying jobs are no longer paying that well. It's just the cycle of the market.

If that's the way they want to make money, there's nothing wrong with that.

Economists often disagree with each other, just like politicians do. If you don't buy what the GOP is selling, then that's cool. I think they make a lot more sense than the democrats, who I think are mad as hatters. But disagreements will always be there.

 

Interesting that you condemn the companies for doing what they have been allowed to do legally, and not the administration for allowing them to do it.

 

Of course they are, and that's exactly as they should be doing! It shouldn't be a worry of yours whether or not their practices cause them to lose business, should it? If they do, then they alone can make the decision to change them if they wish! Their obligations are to their stockholders (owners) who expect them to maximize their investment. The problems you're complaining about have more to do with our immigration policies under Obama and the poor economic growth he has given us. THAT is what would have created the opportunity for those workers to be worthy of higher wages, and not simply imposing more regulations on what a business must do with their money! But will that fact change your decision to stop voting Democrat in the future? I doubt it very much! You'd much rather attempt to throw the blame elsewhere and complain about the natural results of a free market economy than to accept the reality of the consequences your voting habits have caused!

 

But then they'd be at the mercy of American workers unions demanding higher pay which sends the executives and stockholders into an immediate hysterical breakdown at the thought of a smaller number at the bottom of their annual dividends report. Immigration may be an important issue but you better believe it takes a backseat to the bank accounts of rich investors and executives. They'd never allow you to take away their cheap labor, and if you did manage to succeed, they'd simply lobby to have the minimum wage reduced to where employees have to pay their employers for employing them.

 

By that logic, should I blame the Constitution for the window lickers who walk around town with their weapons slung over their backs and that ridiculous swagger only an open carry fanatic can manage for no other reason at all other than they can? I think I will. I don't have a problem with the 2nd amendment, but the window lickers who think they need to strut around with their weapons just put a bad taste in my mouth. And just to clarify, I'm talking about the people walking around with weapons shown off who have no purpose in having them other than to show others that they have them and presumably boost their self-esteem.

 

If they are in a Union the Union should have prevented this, if they had no Union membership then its the workers fault for not organizing since NO JOB is safe anymore even highly skilled.

 

Why were they given H1-B visa's in the first place? Who's administration is importing workers?

 

Senators question Southern California Edison's layoffs, replacement with Indian workers

I believe Edison workers are in the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers.

 

Established in 1990, the federal H-1B visa program allows employers to import up to 65,000 foreign workers each year to fill jobs that require "highly specialized knowledge." The Senate's bipartisan Immigration Innovation Act of 2013, or "I-Squared Act," would increase that cap to as many as 300,000 foreign workers. "The smartest, hardest-working, most talented people on this planet, we should want them to come here," Sen. Marco Rubio, (R-Fla.) said upon introducing the bill last month. "I, for one, have no fear that this country is going to be overrun by Ph.D.s."
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/02/silicon-valley-h1b-visas-hurt-tech-workers

 

You would if you had a family that was depending on your severance package.

 

This has nothing to do with tax breaks. It all has to do with the structure of the H1-B program. Frankly, I'm surprised that someone as far left as you are would start a thread on this. When it comes to displacement of American workers by foreigners, leftists have been quiet as church mice.

This has been going on all over the country and recently some senators were demanding an investigation since the Department of Labor has declined to investigate similar shenanigans with Con Edison in California when they replaced some American workers with H1-B workers. Interestingly, the two liberal California senators were not part of the group of senators wanting this investigated.

Clearly H1-B's are being misused. Congress needs to tighten up the loopholes in this program. The purpose was to provide foreign workers when there were no American workers available, not to get rid of American workers.

 

How H-1B Visas Are Screwing Tech Workers
A program meant to boost innovation instead fuels outsourcing

I know exactly how the program is supposed to work and I know exactly why Corporate America found a loophole ...oops...I mean "the job creators".

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...t-tech-workers

 

Thank you so much for taking my quote and using it to make a totally unrelated point that must be poking you in the eye for quite some time. Maybe you can find a gun-related thread that would be better suited to you.

 

Your link just took me to the Mother Jones homepage, so I'm afraid I'm still not sure what tax loopholes you are referring to in regards to the H1-B program, However given your previous inaccuracies, I'm not hopeful they are relevant or even exist.