Is it a sin to seek knowledge?

I have never run from anything, you should know that.

Go ahead and test me if you like.

Many people, such as yourself, make this claim and I find it funny. We may not have all the answers but neither do you.

I especially love how non-believers think the universe just blinked into existence from some unseen force but they cannot believe it when you give that unseen force a name.

 

According to the Bible, God GAVE human beings a set of morals (Ten Commandments). They were not for him. BTW YOU are not the 'greatest'....I AM....

 

The funny thing is that I agree with you. Perhaps you have me confused for someone else?

But what is good and what is evil? You make it seem like you know what their morality was, but you haven't even defined it yet.
Then you hint that perhaps God is immoral, but immoral according to who's standards? Yours? You haven't defined it.

 

lol, I want what your smoking

 

You didn't seem to think so when you objected to the OP. And this would be the first time I've ever heard anyone claim a field of knowledge as being an aspect of someone's character. Is my knowledge of bird species part of my character? But fine, if you want to define it that way, go for it. Now you're stuck with a paradox: according to your account, Adam and Eve became more like God in character through disobeying God. Seems odd, don't you think? If the object of life is to become more like God in our character, it sounds like obedience to his will isn't necessary.

And another paradox: this means we can't define God's character as inherently good, otherwise becoming more like God in character would be inherently good. That would make Adam and Eve's disobedience inherently good. If that's the case, then obedience to God can't be inherently good.

 

That set of "morals" include the forbidding of religious freedom, the command to kill unruly children, condemnation for thought crimes and God bragging about punishing children for the sins of their ancestors. My three year old niece can provide better moral guidance than that. And the Bible said that mankind came to know morality (and knowing it like God) from eating the fruit of the tree, not from laws.

 

I don't see any of that in the Ten Commandments. Is your three-year-old niece YOUR god then?

 

Adam & Eve were just following the plan God laid out for mankind. What other options did they have?

 

No one, including you, knows what the name of the unseen force is. Or what that unseen force actually is.

 

I am a Gnostic Christian. I am not sure if that makes me what you call a non-believer.
I do not think so. I just believe in a certain way.

I do not test. I just ask questions that Christians hate and run from.

IE. This question on Jesus that I believe I asked you elsewhere.

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

Do you agree?

Regards
DL

 

Personal insult is for those who have already lost the argument.

Let me make you run from a moral position as well.

What are your highest moral tenets?

Are they self-serving or do they seek to serve others?

"They were not for him."

His first three make this statement false as his first three were definitely self-serving.

Regards
DL

 

I have no need to re-write Webster so do not just deflect like no one knows what you are doing.

You must be used to dealing with children.

We are discussing the evil of your God in terms of educating his children and denying them knowledge of almost everything.

Would you do that to your children and then murder them through neglect and locking away what would save them. The tree of life in God's case but just plain food in your case.

Regards
DL

 

You agree with me yet follow a satanic God who would create such an immoral construct.

Must be hard for you to follow what you see as an immoral God.

Or do you just forgive him for being satanic?

Regards
DL

 

I do not see that in there either.

But where in the big 10 does it tell you that gays are to be discriminated against and that women have to be second class citizens the way Christianity has made them?

Is equality not a part of your big 10?

Regards
DL

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None. God insured that by putting Satan right there. Or so the myth says.

Regards
DL

 

Seems like you completely misunderstood my position. That, or you have no idea what the topic is about.

God's nature is in His character. So, if you're attempting to be more like God in character, that would also mean you'd agree to what He considers evil and what He considers to be good. Adam and Eve learned that after eating the fruit, so therefore, they became more like God in character. The problem with what the OP is saying stems from the fact that he hasn't established what moral code both Adam and Eve lived by. So, to say God is evil based on an action Adam and Eve performed before becoming more like God in character is faulty thinking.

LOL. You only say that now, but just wait

 

I may be wrong but I don't think there is much in the bible for or against it. Adam and Eve couldn't be happy in a perfect world. The fruit just represented something not included in "Eden" and just a little push (by the serpent) made that lack completely unbearable. So even though it is called the "fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil" I do not think the story is really about wanting knowledge.

The only other story I can think of would be the Tower of Babel. Even that one does not directly state that seeking knowledge is sinful.

So its not directly stated but strongly implied.

 

Then wherever you are getting the Ten Commandments from, it isn't the Bible. The Ten Commandments come from Exodus 20:1-17 and Deuteronomy 5:4-21.

Forbidding of religious freedom: Exodus 20:3-5, 7-11 and Deuteronomy 5:6-9, 11-15.

The command to kill unruly children (the command is given here, while the punishment is listed elsewhere in the Bible): Exodus 20:12 and Deuteronomy 5:16. Punishment specified in Leviticus 20:9 and Deuteronomy 21:18-21.

Condemnation for thought crimes: Exodus 20:17 and Deuteronomy 5:21

God bragging about punishing children for the sins of their ancestors: Exodus 20:5 and Deuteronomy 5:9.

Of course not. Moral knowledge does not make someone God. If it did then, according to the Bible, Adam and Even would have been gods. My niece is not my god, she just shows better moral judgment then the God described in the Bible.

 

It is perfectly fine if you changed your mind, but you initially objected with the OP said that Adam and Eve had become more like God in their knowledge of good and evil. You objected and said that man can only be like God in character, implying that knowledge is something separate. Again, there's no issue with you changing your mind, but what you are saying now is in conflict with your original objection.

Which is exactly what the OP is asking about. How could it be evil for Adam and Eve to become more like God in character?

The OP is presenting a question. You are trying to dodge that question by turning it around back on him instead of answering it. The OP doesn't even say that God is evil -- just try quoting where it does. Instead, it asks why, as Christianity teaches, should Adam and Eve be considered evil?

 

There is no such thing as a sin, but to not seek knowledge is to deny your very nature. Man is a creature who survives by his knowledge, to not learn is to limit or even to threaten your own survival. That is how evolution works, the people who learn and become wise survive better than the people who do not.

 

Cool - so have Christians.

And I assume then that you know
what is the best possible end?

No, it is not a sin. It is a sin to violate God's law - pretty simple, pretty straightforward. Adam and Eve were told not to eat from the tree - and they did. Joseph Mengele sinned, not because he was seeking knowledge, but because of how he did. Again, pretty straightforward.

 

And pushed by Christians who call what the Jews called our elevation, to our fall.

Strange that the Jews who wrote the myth saw a win win situation while Christianity turned it into a lose lose situation.

Regards
DL

 

She may not be your God but as a Gnostic Christian I would see her as being her own Goddess just as you are your own moral guide and God.

You should realize that God in Genesis does say that A & E became like Gods and that opens a door to all to follow their lead. That is what Christianity fears as that thinking, they think, will kill their control of the masses.

Christians are not ready to be honest with people.

Regards
DL

 

Knowledge is power. I agree.

Not surprising that the churches and mosques do not want to share power.

Regards
DL

 

Simple to simpletons perhaps.

You say that seeking knowledge is not a sin unless ordered not to by God. You show the immorality of many Christian positions by showing you have a double set of morals. One to forgive your God while the other condemns people for doing the same thing your God did.

If seeking knowledge is not a sin then for your God to punish A & E would not be moral. Right?

Or is it moral to order people to remain stupid?

Regards
DL

 

The OP is asking a loaded question. You, of course, cannot see that.