Is it a sin to seek knowledge?

Re the thread title, 'Is Seeking Knowledge a Sin?', given the general butchery of logic and sophistry shown here, the answer is obviously yes, it is indeed a sin for many to 'seek knowledge'; many aren't capable of using it properly.

 

Strange that you seem to think some are capable of using it properly.

Is seeking knowledge not a sin for them as well?

Who is to decide what is proper use of knowledge?

For instance, should we have sought the knowledge of the atom and created atomic bombs?

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DL

 

It seems that their fears were groundless as education has been with us for some time now and the so called religious are still the majority.

Seems that people cannot suppress their tribal instincts long enough to actually think of the immoral tenets they follow.

That is why most mainstream religions are homophobic and misogynous.

So much for religious people seeking justice.

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DL

 

What evil did God find in King David's baby that caused him to torture it for 6 days before finally killing it?

God must have known that the baby would be unwilling to change, as it had done no evil, so his long torture should have been a short one. Right?

If not, what was the value in such a long torture of a baby?

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DL

 

Or just guys like me who recognize that your God is an immoral and vile demiurge who is not fit to rule even in hell. A place where he definitely belongs.

That is where all baby tortures and baby killers belong. Right?

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DL

 

What in your description does not apply to your God?

Is he not the fittest and strongest? Is he not a tyrant?

He certainly does not run a democracy.

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DL

 

Your logic is right on the mark my friend.

But this is not a question of logic as Christians have to go into intellectual and moral dissonance to believe all the immoral parts of the bible to be moral.


Martin Luther.
“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

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DL

 

This cannot be true as your own scriptures say that the majority are bound for hell.

You are correct that a good God would create us for our best possible end but that is definitely wnot what your genocidal God has shown as his plan.

Only a few take that narrow path so your own words condemn your own God as he wants only a minority of us in heaven.

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DL

 

A perfect reply showing you deflecting from a moral decision on God torturing and killing an innocent baby.

You want me to explain why that is immoral while you think it moral.

If I have to show why it is moral then you will not understand the explanation in your faith filled mind.

I asked you to apply that baby killing scenario to your list of God's wonderful loving attributes.

Do so or I guess we are done for the moment.

Your deflection and dishonesty is apparent to all who will follow our discussion.

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DL

 

The problem is your immorality in accepting that it is somehow just to punish the innocent instead of the guilty.

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

Do you agree?

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DL

 

Your attempt at deflection is noted.

Deal with what I initially wrote and we can proceed.

And yes, Gnostic Christianity has always had a better moral sense than you idol worshiping Christians.

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DL

 

I think it's more narcissistic to think you're specially selected and favored by an imagined almighty creator of the universe, personally.

As to morality, it's something we're constantly discussing and both agreeing and disagreeing about. Religion doesn't even alter this dynamic. It just adds an unnecessary tyrannical, arbitrary set of falsely attributed rules to be imposed on a majority by a self-appointed "moral leadership" minority.

 

I see, so because YOU say so the majority of the world is worshipping a 'vile demiurge?' Can't get much more self-centered and narcissistic than that now can you?

 

I don't think I'm 'specially selected and favored' I;m not the one making outlandish claims about what others believe. No, that would be....YOU.

 

Deflection away from the issue at hand noted.

Is a God who tortures and kills babies a God worthy of that title?

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DL

 

Yet again you throw words such as "evil" and "immoral" out there, but never tell others what your moral code is.

If you loved God, you would agree with His moral standard. However, since you hate Him, then you disagree with His moral standard. If the world were to agree on your moral standard instead of God's, then this world would be a terrible place to live in.

 

It's like you're a broken record. You keep hammering on David's first child. You don't even understand the bible enough to know who punished David. I'll educate you since you do not know.

God the Father has punished no one. Not a single person. Jesus Christ is the only one who casts judgement. This includes killing David's first child, wiping out the Canaanites and etc. Jesus is also the one casting judgement on the Son of Perdition and his armies personally. He'll also be the one who will go on a mass killing spree when he returns.

1) Jesus said himself that God the Father has never cast judgement on anyone, but has entrusted all judgement to the Son. (John 5:22)

2) Jesus will do a lot of killing when he returns (Isaiah 63:1-6).

So, you're really mad at Jesus, but it doesn't really matter because Jesus is God. So, is Jesus immoral? That should be your question.

Who cares? You're so emotional right now that you can't really think of anything else. Something tells me that perhaps someone close to you has died and you blamed God for it. It's really sad. Hating God doesn't make your life easier. The more you hate Him, the more miserable you'll become. Then you will die.

 

You want me to embrace morals that include the belief that it is somehow just to torture and kill a baby. No thanks

You do not need to tell me what is evil or moral in your view for me to know that your morals are satanic and not Godlike.

So tell us why you think torturing and killing a baby is somehow just?

You keep running from answering this so I will not ask again.

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DL

 

You do not like that I keep asking you how torturing and murdering a baby is just.

All you had to do was answer instead of deflecting all over the place.

Now you try to blame the N.T. God for what was done before we even had a N.T.

Pathetic apologist is you.

Give your last B.S. post that I will ignore as all we do now is abuse each other.

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DL

 

I seriously do not care.

Nope. I need not answer anything you say, because it's just a messy, emotional and incoherent mess. I can imagine you already, sitting behind your computer screen with your mascara smeared all over your face because of what God did to you. Now you think you're hurting God by ranting and screaming about how evil he is. LOL. It's actually quite entertaining... And pathetic.

You haven't answered a single question of mine and you've kept repeating yourself over and over and over and over. What's the point? So, go on ahead and re-add me to your ignore list where my name comfortably rested. In the meantime, I'll be debating the big boys who aren't too busy crying on the Internet about how the big mean old God has hurt their feelings.

 

Defining anyone who is even moderately religious as an unthinking, sheep-like entity who blindly accepts whatever their priest or pastor tells them is another. In this case, the straw man is to conflate fundamentalism with mainstream belief - decent sites such as Fundies Say The Darndest Things on occasion have an unfortunate tendency to mistake anyone talking about prayer, faith, or Jesus as rabid fundamentalists. Straw man positions on religion are often held by anti-theists; who are, let's face it, teenagers who have just discovered the internet.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Straw_man

 

Even if true, none of that is an excuse for you to run from moral questions. The fact that you do shows that you know that you do not have a leg to stand on.

Calling something a straw man does not show why you cannot or refuse to answer.

You are like a teenager yourself who has to run from thinking.

Run along child. You deserve the same respect I give your vile God.

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DL

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See my last.

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DL

 

That's the point of a strawman argument, so that no one can refute it because it is false to begin with.

I accept your white flag.....Again. I AM the GREATEST!!....I AM

 

We really don't know what the Tree of Knowledge supposedly gave Adam and Eve. Even before eating the from the Tree, Eve was intelligent enough to converse with the serpent about the tree and come to a decision. She was intelligent enough to coerce Adam into eating from the Tree with her. You could also say there seems to be some inconsistency since God punishes Adam and Eve even though they were not wise or, perhaps, cpaable of being responsible for their actions- creatures of instinct as they were.

I suppose there's room to wiggle here, though...

 

I was wondering if I was the only person that noticed that in the Scripture. I figured there was just so many other problems with the Bible's account that it just wasn't mentioned as often...