Is it a sin to seek knowledge?

Interesting how you have to borrow concepts from this "satanic" God in order for you to criticize Him. Almost like you having to sit on His lap to slap His face.

I'm interested though. What makes God satanic? Would it be Him killing groups of people in his fiery judgement? What if I told you Jesus was the person killing those people? Then what would you say?

If I could control death, then yeah, I would. However, I'm not God, so I can't make such a decision.

Do you have children, btw?

 

The question was one I struggled with myself when I was a Christian, and one which many reflective Bible believers struggle with. There is nothing loaded about asking what Adam and Eve did wrong. It is a basic question almost everyone has upon reading the story.

 

I'd be happy to use the Bible's own definition. The word "satan" in Hebrew simply means adversary. God, in the Bible, has an unnecessarily adversarial relationship with mankind -- I'm comfortable saying "unnecessary" because, if God is truly omnipotent, he can accomplish his goals without said adversity, unless the goal itself is adversity or God is limited by mundane logic in accomplishing his goals.

 

I always thought I was the greatest I Am so you have already insulted me.

My moral tenets are derived from Judeo-Christian moral philosophy as is most of America. Since I subscribe to this mass philosophy, I hardly see it as 'self serving.'

It is believed (again by MOST of America) that the Ten Commandments were given to human beings by God. Why would God make HIS own commandments? But of course, you don't believe in God, I get that. But that doesn't mean you know anything more than anyone else. Which is why I question your 'Greatest I Am.'

 

Satan does not exist without God. Maybe the 'goal' is to teach human beings that the world is not fair and to survive, one needs to combat the negativity that is so powerful in the human consciousness. A way of transcending animal, instinctual drives.

 

God has character? Details please. Also, you're the one who said God has a body, yet couldn't give a description.

 

Meaning you have no answers?

 

They are the same being, so what difference does it make? 1 being, 3 figureheads.

 

Why? The world is nothing but a blimp of eternity. And in the afterlife it is all roses and harps.
Now if one wants to combat negativity, all one has to do is see the good in the world and not see everything as bad or as good vs evil. Black vs white. But as various levels of living and each has it's own unique impact.

 

Easier said than done. Negativity has much more power mainly because it is a strategy for survival. Religious belief is one way to transcend this with the help of fellow human beings. Morals (like the Ten Commandments) help support an agreed-upon moral code. The amoral cannot be trusted.

 

Hmm... Seems like you don't quite understand why you're alive on this planet. We live so we can learn how to live and commune with God Himself and receive His knowledge. God wants you to live with Him, but you have to go through a "boot-camp" process called life first. Just because His actions don't make sense to you, it doesn't mean they do not have an ultimate purpose.

Now, to call God satanic (which is kinda funny), is the same as a child calling his or her father evil because he disciplines his children. A child who doubts the ability of his own father gets to realize sooner than anyone else how capable his father truly is.

That wasn't his question. His question was asking if one were to disobey God by trying to become God, would it be wrong. It's loaded because he's attempting to ensnare people into contradicting what the bible is actually saying - which is to be like God. For one to answer the question, you have to lay down some ground work so there's no confusion or contradiction. You are opposed to that ground work.

Yes, what Adam and Eve done was obviously wrong. Their actions introduced, not only death to the world, but gave Satan dominion over the earth.

 

Well...no one knows what God is like and the Bible does not describe any accurate quantity of any of God's...details so we really don't know much to begin with.

But assuming we go with the traditional omnipotence of the One God thing, humans are nothing like God in any category. Aside from that, the only reason we have knowledge is from disobeying God's first laws, for which he cursed us. As far as religion is concerned, possessing knowledge or reason at all is a sin.

 

Yes we do. First off, Jesus said that if you've seen Him then you've seen the Father (John 14:9). Second off, there's multiple verses that explain God's character:

1) God doesn't lie - Titus 1:2
2) God will not accuse someone forever - Psalms 103:9
3) God will not harbor his anger forever - Psalms 103:9
4) God is merciful - Deut 4:31
5) God is loving - John 4:8
6) God is peaceful - Heb 13:20
7) God loves his enemies - Luke 6:35 & 1 Cor 13
8 ) God is kind to those who are unthankful and evil- Luke 6:35
9) God does not cast people off forever - Lam 3:31
10) God does not keep a record of the wrong any one did forever - 1 Corn 13:5
11) God is love - 1 John 4:8 & 1 Cor 13
12) God is kind - 1 John 4:8 & 1 Cor 13
13) God is patient - 1 John 4:8 & 1 Cor 13
14) God does not envy - 1 John 4:8 & 1 Cor 13
15) God does not boast - 1 John 4:8 & 1 Cor 13
16) God is not self seeking - 1 John 4:8 & 1 Cor 13
17) God is not prideful - 1 John 4:8 & 1 Cor 13
18 ) God is not easily angered - 1 John 4:8 & 1 Cor 13
19) God will never fail in anything he attempts to do - 1 John 4:8 & 1 Cor 13
20) God is compassionate - 1 John 4:8 & 1 Cor 13
21) God is gentle (to be considerate and kindly in disposition, not harsh or severe and easily managed or handled.) - 1 John 4:8 & 1 Cor 13

 

Didn't God say he was a "jealous God"?

Didn't God murder and condone murder for his own sake?

 

The 10 commandments have a few good rules in them. But then there's a couple that aren't worth much.

I would also differ, Positive views, outlooks, encouragements are way more powerful than negativity. But it is much harder to control a mass of people that way, so negativity is brainwhased into people to make them fearful and docile. So I agree, it's for survival, but of a group that wants to control.

 

The only reason we're here and not only Adam and Eve, is because they followed the plan God laid out. If they didn't follow God's plan and eat the apple, the whole earth would be just them 2.

 

Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,

Exodus 34:14 for you shall worship no other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

Numbers 25:11 Phinehas the son of Eleazar, son of Aaron the priest, has turned back my wrath from the people of Israel, in that he was jealous with my jealousy among them, so that I did not consume the people of Israel in my jealousy.

Numbers 25:13 and it shall be to him and to his descendants after him the covenant of a perpetual priesthood, because he was jealous for his God and made atonement for the people of Israel.

Deuteronomy 4:24 For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.

Deuteronomy 5:9 You shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

Deuteronomy 6:15 for the LORD your God in your midst is a jealous God, lest the anger of the LORD your God be kindled against you, and he destroy you from off the face of the earth.

Deuteronomy 32:21 They have made me jealous with what is no god; they have provoked me to anger with their idols. So I will make them jealous with those who are no people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

Joshua 24:19 But Joshua said to the people, "You are not able to serve the LORD, for he is a holy God. He is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions or your sins.

Isaiah 48:11 For my own sake, for my own sake, I do this. How can I let myself be defamed? I will not yield my glory to another.

Ezekiel 36:6 Therefore prophesy concerning the land of Israel, and say to the mountains and hills, to the ravines and valleys, Thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, I have spoken in my jealous wrath, because you have suffered the reproach of the nations.

Ezekiel 39:25 Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: Now I will restore the fortunes of Jacob and have mercy on the whole house of Israel, and I will be jealous for my holy name.

Nahum 1:2 The LORD is a jealous and avenging God; the LORD is avenging and wrathful; the LORD takes vengeance on his adversaries and keeps wrath for his enemies.

You left out a few traits.

Behold, I [God], even I am bringing the flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall perish." (Gen. 6:17).
“Then the Lord rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven, and He overthrew those cities, and all the valley, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground" (Gen. 19:24-25).
he Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you, and when the Lord your God delivers them before you and you defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favor to them” (Deut. 7:1-2,

So, be honest in the descriptions and actions.

 

It is loaded with Christian foolishness and that is why you do not like it.

Strange that all questions that Christians cannot deal with intelligently become loaded or strawmen or trolling.

Christians have become quite pathetic. No wonder Christians are leaving that religion in droves.

Regards
DL

 

4 boys, now men.

As to Jesus doing all that killing. His morals are barely better than his Father Yahweh and I would be pleased to argue against them. I especially dislike vicarious atonement, his no divorce for women policy and his forgiveness policies.

Care to look at the morals you embrace?

Human sacrifice is evil and your God demanding one and accepting one is evil.

You trying to profit from that evil is evil. Do just a bit of thinking and you will agree.

Imagine you have two children. One of your children does something wrong – say it curses, or throws a temper tantrum, or something like that. In fact, say it does this on a regular basis, and you continually forgive your child, but it never seems to change.

Now suppose one day you’ve had enough, you need to do something different. You still wish to forgive your child, but nothing has worked. Do you go to your second child, your good child, and punish it to atone for the sins of the first?

In fact, if you ever saw a parent on the street punish one of their children for the actions of their other child, how would you react? Would you support their decision, or would you be offended? Because God punished Jesus -- his good child -- for the sins of his other children.

Interestingly, some historical royal families would beat their slaves when their own children did wrong – you should not, after all, ever beat a prince. The question is: what kind of lesson does that teach the child who actually did the harm? Does it teach them to be a better person, to stop doing harm, or does it teach them both that they won't themselves be punished, and also that punishing other people is normal? I know that's not a lesson I would want to teach my children, and I suspect it's not a lesson most Christians would want to teach theirs. So why does God?

For me, that’s at least one significant reason I find Jesus’ atonement of our sin to be morally repugnant – of course, that’s assuming Jesus ever existed; that original sin actually exists; that God actually exists; etc.

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

Do you agree?

Regards
DL


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DL

 

And in the Sodom and Gomorrah tale god DID lie before it didn't god himself say he would spare the city if he could find but a few innocent men (note no women) well what about SLAVES (oh yes he condoned that in the old and new testaments) well they had no real choice if their master or mistress wanted a slave in bed they had to do it - right - or be punished. Or are you going to say they didn't keep slaves in the region at the time?

Maybe ,since you were brainwashed as a child, we need to feel some pity for the Deist apologists they don't seem to be able to take off those very rose colored glasses.

But we re talking about gaining knowledge here they are not opposed to it as long as said knowledge is knowledge the faiths approve of most accept large areas of modern medicine for example, but you propose evolution or anything that contradicts the Torah, Bible or Koran your going to have issues. In fact Islam was a bright spot for centuries pushing knowledge far ahead of Christian Europe until Evolution happened and it directly contradicted the Koran then knowledge started to die again. Atheist accept knowledge if backed by actual evidence regardless of where it takes us its the one weapon nature gave us over all other animals our reason, our science and technology and why now WE stand as the apex of our planets species until something comes along to unseat us maybe androids and robots after we created them. If so its again natural selection at work.

 

Only the blind who cannot read will think that the 10 commandments were not mirrored and written long before Christianity raise it's satanic head.

Your morals say that I have the right avatar and you do not deserve it or the name I gave it.

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

Are you still immoral?

Regards
DL

 

Yes. We see what we want to see or in the case of Christians, they see what their lying priests want them to see.

Strange that they cannot look the way Jesus and I look.

Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is
in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they
say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will
precede you. Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is
outside of you. [Those who] become acquainted with [themselves]
will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you
will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living
Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty
and it is you who are that poverty."

Christians are seeing a lot of imperfection while believing their scriptures that say that God creates all his works in a perfect form.

So much for Christian vision.

Regards
DL

 

Yet Jesus said that love was much more powerful.

Science and just intelligent though will show that cooperation, positives, is a better survival tool than negativity. That is why nature and our instincts have us default to cooperation, a positive to survival, instead of competition, a negativity which is a poorer tool for survival.

Better to have friends than enemies in a tribal setting.

Regards
DL

 

God gave Satan dominion. He did not have to but like all things, you want to blame humans instead of God.

Tell us, if God did not want Eve to be deceived, why did he put Satan into the garden instead of elsewhere?

Would you put a fox in your hen house and not expect a hen to be eaten?

If not then you are brighter than your --- want to keep humans stupid, ---God.

Regards
DL

 

I do not agree with your first.

I think that God is well described in scriptures that tell us also that God cannot be described.

Strange how believers say that God cannot be known, is unfathomable and works in mysterious ways, --- then turn around and tell us all they know and fathom of the unfathomable.

I call that lying but Christians do not seem to recognize that their lies, are lies.

So much for the Judeo Christian morality and common sense.

Regards
DL