Why isn't repbulican congress fixing immigration?

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  1. rocker65

    rocker65 Active Member

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    Looks like the research on reduction of wages caused immigrants (ALL immigrants, legal & illegal) has not reached you. It's been around for decades. The highly respected immigration economist George Borjas has done in-depth studies on this for decades. He is noted by by both Business Week and the Wall Street Journal as “America’s leading immigration economist”. He is the Robert W. Scrivner Professor of Economics and Social Policy at the Harvard Kennedy School. He is the recipient of the 2011 IZA Prize in Labor Economics. Professor Borjas is also a Research Associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research and a Research Fellow at IZA. Professor Borjas is the author of several books, including Heaven’s Door: Immigration Policy and the American Economy (Princeton University Press, 1999), and the widely used textbook Labor Economics (McGraw-Hill, 2012), now in its sixth edition. He has published over 125 articles in books and scholarly journals.

    As in past studies Borjas' 2013 study shows the same conclusion. That illegal immigration reduces the wages of native workers by an estimated $99 to $118 billion a year, and generates a gain for businesses and other users of immigrants of $107 to $128 billion, and generates a gain for businesses and other users of immigrants of $107 to $128 billion.

    "The wage effects on the low-skill workforce would also have been much smaller. The short-run wage effect on high school dropouts would have been -1.7 percent, as compared to the -6.2 percent implied by the actual immigrant flows. In fact, in the absence of illegal immigration, immigration would have had little impact on relative wages, since the short-run wage effect is between 2 and 3 percent for almost all groups. Nevertheless, a comparison of the two panels of the table suggests that illegal immigration was probably responsible for around a 4 percent decline in the wage of high school dropouts (relative to college graduates), both in the short and long runs (or around $800)." (George J. Borjas)

    http://cis.org/immigration-and-the-american-worker-review-academic-literature

    This reduction in wages also ties in with the reduction in taxes paid (less wage = less tax) + the no tax at all paid by the common practice of employers hiring illegal aliens off the books, in order to escape culpability for IRCA violation. (which only idiots are unaware of)
     
  2. rocker65

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    Doesn't take that rocket scientist to know that when you add more people, you add more cars on the roads, more kids in the classrooms, more crimes and stress on cops, courts, jails, prisons, more stress on hospital ERS (forced to accept non-paying illegals by the EMTALA law),. more people cramming into govt offices (and longer hold times on telephone calls), more crowding in recreational facilities. etc etc. This isn't debateable. It's understood (by all but idiots)

    LowER payments to veterans and senior has been occuring for years, as $$$ that could/would /should have gone to them have been siphoned off to service immigrants in everything from welfare to crime to medical care. Americans who aren't as dumb as a box of rocks, all know this

    And immigrants use up more tax $$ for welfare than Americans do. In 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.

    http://www.cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011
     
  3. rocker65

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    Only thing funny about immigrants overuse of scare resources is you calling it funny. Of course, they are contributing to the scarcity of already scarce natural (et al) resources. A 10 year could explain to you that if you have a certain amount of fresh water, and you add more consumers of the water, you then have less water per consumer. Duh!!!! Get it ? And there sure is scarcity of fresh water, where many localities all over the country (especially in the Western states) have rationing laws, requiring residents to restrict their use of water.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/04/water-shortage_n_4378418.html

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nat...er-shortage/0O6GjBC4qQsxSmqKXVerkM/story.html

    http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_25576930/new-poll-88-percent-californians-say-there-is

    http://www.nrdc.org/globalwarming/watersustainability/images/overview.png

    http://www.fewresources.org/water-scarcity-issues-were-running-out-of-water.html
     
  4. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Yes but most if not all christians believe that Armageddon happens at a time of God's choosing not theirs and if You aren't a Pentecostal or other sort dispensationalist (less than 40% of US Christians your view tends to be amillenial, and there is no Armegeddon as the last battle is an internal rather than an external happening. Then please tell me what their view actually is.
     
  5. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well for starters, the 12th Imam is "hidden" awaiting only the second coming of Jesus Christ to assist him in ridding the world of evil.

    Your interpretation of Armageddon as an internal happening is certainly interesting. Does that mean the second coming isn't? That purgatory etc., exist only in one's mind?
    Not that I'm an expert, but it sure seems like that's a repudiation of established religious dogma.
     
  6. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yes, I can see how "American" resources are so scarce that less than 3% increase in consumption will destroy the nation.

    There will always be regional challenges wrt water, but it won't be that much of a problem for America, since Canada own 25% of the world's fresh water supply.
     
  7. Arxael

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    So the Republicans ran on the platform in 2014 THEY would FIX the illegal immigration problem. So if they can't fix it, then why did they run on it? Oh please don't tell us they lied, they would NEVER do that. :roll:
     
  8. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh dear, those lousy immigrants stealing all your money and clogging up the roads and drinking the water and eating the food.

    Guess the cartoon zoomed over your head.

    I found that Americans' who are dumb as rocks more than likely sure as hell believe without qualification the nonsense you are regurgitating.
     
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    Lol before I take your post seriously, can you please google Obama's 5 platforms from 2008 and then tell us that it's only Republicans who don't follow through?
     
  10. Arxael

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    Is it strawman building for the righties today? Where did I say the Dems follow through with everything? Nice try with your strawman and deflection. If all you have as a defense of the GOP is "The Dems did it too", you've just answered why the GOP is not the solution nor to be trusted either.
     
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    Well I'll be. No one would have ever guessed that. Seeing that the returns were hardly in the country in the first place, how would they have committed a lot crimes? Lol!

    And who's fault is that? If Bush had done like Obama, maybe there would have been a different song to sing. But Bush like Reagan extended amnesty leaving Obama to take out all their dirty laundry now. And all the Right can do is blame Obama. What a joke; http://www.alan.com/2014/11/15/reagan-bush-also-extended-amnesty-to-immigrants/# So if there is a numbers game to be given credit to, it definitely has to go to the guy from Kenya.

    Again, all that is rubbish talk when you compare who had to take out who's dirty laundry after Bush and Reagan dropped the ball.

    Wrong again. You are quoting the estimated total population of immigrants at the time Bush was in office; http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...rack-obama-deported-more-people-any-other-pr/

    [/quote] Or the one who does not recognize a policy change when he sees it.
     
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    To answer the OP. Because they are a bunch of anti-racist RINO (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*).
     
  13. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now that is funny. Apparently you can't grasp that there is far more to the economic equation than the simplistic and not all together accurate "financial loss" you seem to think of remittances as.


    http://www.economicswebinstitute.org/glossary/remittances.htm


    As for the Harms of Immigration you posted, I can see how something so simplistic and blatantly biased would appeal to you.
     
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    Why should congress do a damn thing about anything? Obama has proven he will just go around them and do as he wants.
     
  15. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, I agree that believing that a virus that has been in the US for 60 years came from the recent influx of immigrant children, with NO SUBSTANTIATING evidence apart from the regular summer/fall outbreak coinciding with an influx of immigrant children is exactly the kind of fodder that the stupid eat up from the liars that spout it.

    More idiotic nonsense that the CDC seems to dismiss. But what do they know. After all your conservative radio talk show host who got a degree in epidemiology but apparently wasn't good enough to work in the field has insisted this anti-immigration myth is true.

    You sure do spend a lot of time expressing your opinion that people who actually know more than you but don't share your opinions are stupid or ignorant or lying.

    Not that I think it will help the least bit, but on the off chance, you should look in the mirror.
     
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    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    Nature abhors a vacuum.

    If the Republicans won't do anything, something will fill the political void. Ain't rocket science.
     
  17. ArmySoldier

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    What did I "deflect" from? I pointed out that the right and the left are the same when it comes to following through.

    Let me take a wild guess, you think that I'm conservative :) because I pointed out Obama's lies?

    Lol love it
     
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    The second coming is, in the Amillenial vies a separate and distinct even which will occur at some point after the of God's children is introduced to the fact that he is God's child. No one knows precisely when either event will occur but it the precursor does not appear to have occurred yet. However when Christ returns everyone will be very much aware and there will be no question in anyone's mind that Christ has indeed appeared. By the way the Christian version of Christ is quite different than the Muslim version. And your for starters doesn't really contradict anything I've said..
     
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    And yet internal removals have become few and far between. :roll:

    How is Obama taking out their dirty laundry? Obama is simply making it look like he is doing something when in reality he is doing less. :yawn:

    All you have is ideological stupidity? Who ever would have guessed. :eekeyes:

    Did you really not read that link? Or is it that you simply fail to understand what it is telling you?
    Yep comprehension isn't your strong point. :roflol: This part really stands out
    :roll:

    That was the whole point, policy change is what Obama is using to increase his removal numbers to look like he is doing something, yet interior removals have been reduced by over 50%. Criminal illegals have been released back into our population verse being deported as they should have been under Obama.
     
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    And here I thought they ran on the platform of repealing Obamacare. :roll:
     
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    You're assuming the congress WANTS to fix immigration. It's not an assumption I would make.
     
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    Wow they didn't run on immigration at all? So the GOP didn't say they would fix the immigration problem? Just getting some clarification from you because so far they stopped neither of those things including obamacare. You keep proving that the GOP is definitely not to be trusted as they are just like the Dems.
     
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    If somebody were able to prove to conservatives that illegal immigrants don't take jobs from Americans, go on welfare, vote illegally or come here to commit crimes (as if they couldn't do so at home) would conservatives then shut up about them?
     
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    The GOP never claimed they would "fix" the illegal issue in 2014. Their platform was the repeal of Obama care, the same as it was in 2012. I only proved your hyperbole to be inane. :roll:

    - - - Updated - - -

    Would you accept the proof that some do actually vote, some do actually take jobs from Americans, many do get welfare, all commit crimes, would you then shut-up with your ineptness?
     
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    Which just means you cannot address the reality I just presented from the returns, by changing your response to removals.

    Now I see why you yawn. You haven't been keeping up. Your boys Reagan and Bush are the one's who promoted the amnesty program to begin with. That's the dirty laundry.

    Okay, so now that you get caught in a corner, you throw out the cheap shots with name calling. Isn't their a rule here against that somewhere? That's certainly rich! Ideological stupidity belongs in a special place for those who cannot counter the arguments through links, that prove that Reagan and Bush were the big promoters of amnesty, while leaving Obama to clean up their mess.

    Um, did you? They are clearly stating the total number of illegals in the country. The number you quoted being deported is not 10 million. That is the total estimated population in the country.http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...rack-obama-deported-more-people-any-other-pr/
    Lol! Apparently you get a kick out of fooling yourself. The article is making a point of a trend, that Obama if elected twice would surpass Bush. Surely you comprehended that?

    Dude, we've already gone down this road. I understand your bias in believing only what you want to see, but surely you are not so blind as to not recognize the clever strategy of the policy change by documenting returns? But then again, your own bias prevents you from figuring anything out through the lens of logic.
     

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