Arab illegal building on lands that Jews bought

Not to mention how the UN violated its own Charter in 1948 by not allowing ALL Palestinians living there at that time their right to self-determination at the ballot box. Instead, 650,000 Jews were allowed to inflict their state upon 1.3 million Arabs.

 

[MENTION=60747]stuntman[/MENTION] keeps arguing that the Mandate for Palestine is still valid.

well, if this is true, than Palestine is STILL one single territorial unit, and the borders between Gaza, the WB, and Israel are irrelevent. This means that the Palestinians have the right, under the Mandate to travel throughout all of Palestine, live anywhere, work anywhere, and any Israeli rules banning this are illegal.

But if course, [MENTION=60747]stuntman[/MENTION] than argues "you're saying Israel doesn't have the right to protect itself???"

he wants it both ways. he can't have it.

 

You're missing the point. There are no rights. Laws are ethereal. The only thing that gives any weight to these things is either force or compliance. Jews have no right to anything. Neither do Palestinians. If there is conflict between them, force will be the deciding factor. Rights and laws are merely the terms and ideas the strong set for the weak and/or compliant to follow.

 

According to that there is no basic humen rights, no rights of speech, no right of equality, right of security and so on, and thus no (*)(*)(*)(*)ry on earth needs to give any weight to these rights.

 

The "Mandate for Palestine" is still valid, hence the Israeli presence in the West Bank is completly valid and legal and so does the settlements.

There are no borders between the West Bank and Israel. The Green Line is not a border and cant be used as one according to Rhodes Agreements.

 

and yet Israel requires a permit for ANYONE Arab to go to Israel or Gaza from the West Bank.

Israel also requires a permit for ANYONE to go to Israel or the West Bank from Gaza.

this violates the Mandate for Palestine, but you think its ok.

 

Well, Israel gave Gaza to the Arabs and gave Areas A and B to the Arabs in the West Bank, as the left-wingers wanted (which the leader of such thing was Beilin) and of course you want it, right? that in Gaza will be an Arab rule, as well in the West Bank? Deal with what you wanted.

 

The Mandate for Palestine doesn't recognize Area A. B, C, D, or E.

Its all Palestine. And according to the Mandate for Palestine:

"ART. 18.

The Mandatory shall see that there is no discrimination in Palestine against the nationals of any State Member of the League of Nations (including companies incorporated under its laws) as compared with those of the Mandatory or of any foreign State in matters concerning taxation, commerce or navigation, the exercise of industries or professions, or in the treatment of merchant vessels or civil aircraft. Similarly, there shall be no discrimination in Palestine against goods originating in or destined for any of the said States, and there shall be freedom of transit under equitable conditions across the mandated area.

Israel is VIOLATING the Mandate by restricting Arab travel between Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank.


...but you think this is ok.

 

and also, the Mandate specifically states that if the Mandatory power concludes the Mandate, ONLY ther rights in articles 13 and 14 of the Mandate shall exist forever.

these rights do NOT includes the right of the Jews to settle all of Palestine:

"ART. 28.

In the event of the termination of the mandate hereby conferred upon the Mandatory, the Council of the League of Nations shall make such arrangements as may be deemed necessary for safeguarding in perpetuity, under guarantee of the League, the rights secured by Articles 13 and 14"

ART. 13.

All responsibility in connection with the Holy Places and religious buildings or sites in Palestine, including that of preserving existing rights and of securing free access to the Holy Places, religious buildings and sites and the free exercise of worship, while ensuring the requirements of public order and decorum, is assumed by the Mandatory, who shall be responsible solely to the League of Nations in all matters connected herewith, provided that nothing in this article shall prevent the Mandatory from entering into such arrangements as he may deem reasonable with the Administration for the purpose of carrying the provisions of this article into effect; and provided also that nothing in this mandate shall be construed as conferring upon the Mandatory authority to interfere with the fabric or the management of purely Moslem sacred shrines, the immunities of which are guaranteed.

ART. 14.

A special commission shall be appointed by the Mandatory to study, define and determine the rights and claims in connection with the Holy Places and the rights and claims relating to the different religious communities in Palestine. The method of nomination, the composition and the functions of this Commission shall be submitted to the Council of the League for its approval, and the Commission shall not be appointed or enter upon its functions without the approval of the Council."

 

Oslo made Areas A, B and C. Beilin and Rabin made Areas A, B and C. YOU (as I assume according to your massage) support what Oslo wanted to achieve.
Till today, Areas A, B and C are exist, which means that the left-wingers made this thing, hence, they need to deal with what they made. YOU support the two state solution, right? So deal with what you want.


* Gaza, Israel and Judea and Samaria are all of "Palestine". If you want to talk about whole of "Palestine" then you must include also Trans-Jordan, which today exist there Jordan.

Please re-read my previous comments and re-watch the lecture I posted in comment #68.

 

The Mandate for Palestine does not recognize Area A, B, C.

Therefore they are illegal, according to the Mandate.

All legal inhabitants of Palestine are allowed to travel ANYWHERE in Palestine they like, and get a job anywhere in Palestine they like.

This according to the Mandate for Palestine.

 

Oh good!! Now we are getting somewhere. Thank you for supporting my claims.

According to Oslo, the Arabs, the left-wingers, you etc. the Arabs should get a state, hence "all legal inhabitants of Palestine are allowed to travel anywhere in Palestine" are not valid, since you dont want it. YOU want a state for the Arabs, so you are against that Arabs could travel anywhere in "Palestine".

SO, are support the two state solution, or are you against it? If you are support this solution, then you cant now point fingers and demend that "all legal inhabitants of Palestine are allowed to travel anywhere in Palestine".

 

i now support the 1-state solution.

everyone in Palestine should be allowed to live and work wherever they like.

just as the Mandate says.

 

SO you support that Israel will exist from the river to the sea? Changes in plans, ah?

 

sure, you can call it Israel.

but it will be 40% Arabs, and they will have significant political power.

if they work with the Left-wing Jews, they will surely rule the nation and can change the name to "Israel-Palestine"

 

The Arabs today have significant political power already. (the United Arab party is the 3rd largest in Israel).

 

1-state solution means Arabs control around 40% of the Knesset

 

OH, let's not forget the Crypto Jews that are living in the West Bank as Arabs. So this fentasy of 40% will be much lower.

But, anyhow, if you are supporting that Israel should exist from the river to the sea, then you claims about "boycotting goods from settlements" is not valid, because you support the settlements in the West Bank (it comes hand to hand with your inspiration of Israel from the river to the sea).

 

there are no "Arab crypto-Jews" in the West Bank.

I dont know where you got such a silly idea, but it is absurd.

 

Please see these videos:
[video=youtube;StlMl077Ei8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StlMl077Ei8[/video]
[video=youtube;t3q6OKG4zAE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3q6OKG4zAE[/video]

 

lol!!!!!! silly Youtube videos are not evidence.

try again

 

It shows you evidences from actual places throughout the West Bank. (One of them is providing genetic research).

 

I suppose it's possible English is not Stuntman's first language, or perhaps he's hasbara, or both? Israeli Jews have always sought dominion over all the land between the River and the sea. Now they have acquired it and discover an equal number of non-Jews living among them. To continue as a Jewish state means existing as an apartheid state, something the world may not accept in 2015. I suspect the next time Jews mow the lawn in Gaza, they may open the crossing into Sinai at the height of their destruction and hundreds of thousands of non-Jews will flee Gaza. Won't Samson be proud?

 

"The draft of the Mandate for Palestine was formally confirmed by the Council of the League of Nations on 24 July 1922, supplemented via the 16 September 1922 Trans-Jordan memorandum[2][3] and then came into effect on 29 September 1923[2] following the ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne.[4][5] The mandate ended at midnight on 14 May 1948. The Palestine Mandate legalized the temporary rule of Palestine by Great Britain."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)
Are you saying the UK's temporary rule of Palestine is ongoing?

 

Give the Palestinians the Sinai and tell them to shut up.

I never want to hear from them again.