Arab illegal building on lands that Jews bought

Yes!!! The others can live with us if they swear allegiance to the State of Israel and all its law or pack and leave... We are not going to create an <irredentist> state in the heart of the Jewish Patrimony!!!

 

Israel cannot legally force out any Arab inside Palestine, who refuses to swear allegiance to Israel.

if Israel annexed the West Bank (which I support), and then required all Palestinians to swear allegiance to Israel or be expelled, Israel would face a massive international boycott and sanctions regime.

 

This doesn't change anything.
The mandate promised a Jewish home in Palestine. Israel is indisputable a Jewish home in what was Palestine(that indisputable fits the definition of being in Palestine; you know in and all are two different words?). Thus mandate is fulfilled. This means mandate has no more legal relevancy.

 

So are you saying that the Arabs in Israel doesnt enjoy rights like voting, getting medical care (even the ones in Gaza and the West Bank get that), go to universities, become judges, lawyers, teachers etc?

 

When he say that the rights that were granted to the Jews in 1920 are still valid thanks to Article 80?

Article 80 say that the rights that were granted to people or countries by previous Mandates (which means they relate to Mandates that were created and existed prior to 1946), would not be harmed in anyway, hence the rights that were granted to the Jews in 1920, which is prior to 1946, in San Ramo Confference in the "Mandate for Palestine" will be stil valid and still need to be respected.

 

The UN charter protects the rights of settlement of the indigenous population above the Jewish immigrants.
What people like stuntman do, is leave out that part and only post the right of settlement of immigrants.

 

Please watch the videos I posted in comment #170 and the articles (that one of them refer to a genetic research that been published in "Nature") in comment #180

 

Oh they do. You can haer some in the two videos talking that their families are practicing Jewish customs like lighting candles before Shabbat comes in. They also say that they would like to re-join the Jews and live under Israeli rule. It's all in the videos.

The historic fact that there were froced conversion to Islam, the Arabs threated people to convert and Not only restrictions of the Jizya tax, which was a tax that every non-Muslim had to pay due to being Christian/Jewish.

 

It's exactly what I wrote.
The rights of the non Jewish population of the Mandatory for Palestine is above all.
Everything else must bend over backwards to this.. which are the rights of immigrants.
Thanks for sharing.

 

So I am saying the ethnic cleansing of 100.000's of civilians by Jews and taking away their rights, like the rights to vote etc etc... is a clear violation of the UN Charter.

 

so you're saying the Palestinians have the right to travel, live, and work between Gaza, the West Bank, and Israel?

 

While Abu Mazen has elected to presidency in 2005, and until then there was no other elections in the territories where the PA control + in Gaza until 2007 when Hamas took over and kicked out Fatah, a proper elections has yet to be conducted, in Israel the United Arab party is the 3rd largest in Israel. Hence, Arabs are voting in Israel, while in the PA and in Gaza their leaders dont let them to vote.

 

I'm saying to encourage the Crypto-Jews to fully come back to Judaism (not necessarily to be orthodox- whatever they'll please), all the Arabs that support terrorism or have history in engaging in terrorism should be deported, like Norway is doing, and all the rest can live peacfully in Israel.
BUT I cant see this thing happens because of what Oslo created, hence, Israel should annex Area C with all of the population there (Jews and Arabs) give them full citizenship, encourage the Crypto-Jews to fully come back to Judaism and leave the Arabs their Autonomy in the West Bank with proper security adjustments from the Israeli side, destroy all roadblocks, keep the status-qou regarding the use of public roads (with much more stuff, but that is in a nutshell).

 

Why would non-Jews swear allegiance to a Jewish state?

 

there are no Crypto-Jews in the West Bank.

certainly not even 1% of the Palestinians.

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unless the Mandate has been concluded.

the Mandate for Palestine was concluded by the UN, in 1948.

 

There are Crypto-Jews. already showed that here

Right, the British Mandate has concluded, while the rights that were granted to the Jews over "Palestine" is still valid, thanks to Article 80.

 

Dr. Gauthier says Israel's rule over the West Bank and East Jerusalem is an Occupation, and that Israel's rights over the lands end when there is a peace treaty:

"Dr. Gauthier has demonstrated in painstaking detail in his thesis of over 1,200 pages the following conclusion:

After our examination of the principles of international law pertaining to
belligerent occupation, we have concluded that Israel has the right to occupy
the territories under its control since 1967, including East Jerusalem and its
Old City, until a peace treaty is concluded."

http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Ice-InternationalLawandJ2.pdf

 

Because JEWS of the Arab countries were practically <ALL> <one million> thrown out... from their country of birth, means in other words they were NEVER welcomed in that Arab country in the first place.

OTH, the Arabs who wish to live in an advanced, blooming, prosperous, flourishing country called <Israel> should swear allegiance or pick and leave to go next door with their Arab Brethren and leave us alone... No swearing allegiance means not cooperating but rather undermining/wishing to destroy what has been erected with sweat and tears.

 

most Arabic Jews in Israel were not forced out, but chose to leave

 

Well according to Dr. Gauthier, he refer to the West Bank as Jewish territory (you can hear it in his lecture that I provided), hence, the West Bank is a land that belong to the Jews and which Article 80 of the UN Charter protect the rights that the Jews have over "Palestine".

According to your source:

Now I guess that you support what is written in your source, hence, you agree and support that conclusion that relied on Dr. Gauthier's thesis, which means that you agree with me that the document of the Mandate is still valid (which makes the rights that were granted to the Jews over "Palestine" still valid)- it is in contradction with your claims.

 

Wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They were thrown out of their place of work, they had their Bank account confiscated, in Egypt they were in <concentration camps> until they signed their Real Estate and Bank accounts to the government, and were given a one way ticket to Europe.

Please do not write stories that you have not basically researched this is not Czechoslovakia where they separated in a civil fashion.

L'Express, Paris, (Translation) 25-31 December 1967:

Nasser's Jews
This document needs no commentary. It was written in French by an Egyptian Jew from Cairo who was arrested last June 1967, then liberated, deprived of his nationality and expelled ... For obvious reasons, we shall not reveal the author's identity. It so happens that he is a Jew, and he describes here the cruelty which the Egyptians inflict upon the Jews. No matter what the religion, nationality, race or opinions of a man, no matter in what country one deals with the fate of human beings, such treatment is inadmissible. This must be said. It must also be said that, if every country has had its sadistic soldiers and jailers, no one in Egypt has, to our knowledge, raised his voice in public protest against what is going on in his country.

I was arrested by telephone on 25th June 1967. Kamel Daoud was the name of the special services officer who called me on the evening of the 23rd. He had arranged an appointment for the following day at 1pm. I waited for him: he didn't come. I called him again on Saturday evening. We made an appointment for the next day.
On Sunday morning before going to the club as I did every Sunday, I made a detour through the political police bureau. He was there. I allowed myself the luxury of a presentiment: was he going to arrest me?
"Never on Sunday," he said and burst out laughing. Since when did one arrest people by telephone? He offered me coffee and asked if I could prove that I was Egyptian. I could.
"And of course you have a certificate of nationality?"
That had been my act of triumph. A certificate of nationality proved that one had not always been Egyptian. I was Egyptian well before the birth of Egypt, when everyone was still Turkish. I had never had anything to prove it. The real Egyptians are as much Egyptians as the Bororos are Araras.
He said I was certainly a son of my country, asked me to excuse him a moment, slipped on a fitted jacket over his creased yellow shirt with the brown jabot-tie, and an hour later I found myself with a senator, a little Jew obsessed by kasher food, a fat landowner and three policemen in an old administrative jalopy which had got the wrong century but seemed to know the way very well.
"In ten minutes there'll be a breakdown. I know it all." He was an old senator, I had interviewed him at the time when things in Cairo were still normal. Since the revolution he had been arrested each time there had been trouble, but always, like this time, after the event. In 1948, he had been arrested after the fourth cease-fire. In 1956, he had been picked up on New Year's Eve. By the time he got to prison it was 1957. He knew all about the prisons. Abu Za&#8217;abal was the administration's three-star entertainment. Turah was an old English jail; Barrages and Citadelle weren't like they used to be in the good old days. He did not know the concentration camps in the oasis but he knew they were building a new prison in Wadi Natrun. It would be like it was for the public institutions, and the Khetta (the Plan), he said: the Middle Ages, the hurly-burly in beautiful modem buildings.
And then came the breakdown. Since we were not hand-cuffed, the senator and I got out and pushed with the three soldiers who had laid their guns at the feet of the landowner and the poor little accountant. We got going again.
'A Bad Moment...'
He told me not to worry, that it was a bad moment to go through; that all this was perfectly Egyptian, perfectly coherent, because it was perfectly absurd. We are absurd, he said, like the French are Cartesian. Absurdity is our Magna Carta and our homeland incarnated.
He became heated. He took me to task when I said: "What are 350 Jews, as many Moslems and a few Christians imprisoned since 5th June, compared with the extent of the catastrophes?
He got excited. "What has that to do with the catastrophe? What is the connection between prisoners of war, refugees and citizens who are told that they are like the others and who are like the others? And there are officers who before 5th June had seriously decided to arrest people because they were Jews, or because they made jokes like me, to lock up Bahai and Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses and not just in fun. And you will see, we shall stay there, no one will do a thing for us and on top of it all the Red Cross and some ambassadors will club together to get Nasser out of the nasty corner."
The fat landowner agreed with the senator: he knew the Jews well; those, who had remained in Egypt had not done so to make a fortune. Fortunes were no longer to be made in Egypt. They had stayed because they were Egyptian. In terms of political realism and efficacy they should have been left free. It is well known in politics that when it is not absolutely essential to kill an enemy, he should be showered with attentions. Do you know what the people have been saying since the Jews have been arrested? That the only Jews Nasser has succeeded in taking prisoner are the Egyptian Jews. When you can't have the donkey, you take your anger out on its saddle.
The senator told us that at a meeting of the Arab League a few years ago, Syria and Iraq had urged Nasser to liquidate his Jews. Nasser had promised: paradoxically, his irritation against the Jews dated from that time but the Jews stayed where they were, turned a deaf car, did not wish to understand that they were not wanted. It was as if Egypt had been given to Nasser as a dowry by God-knows-who, added the senator. The Jews did not wish to leave? They were put in prison. Prison had become the cesspool of Egyptian problems. It was only one more proof of the r6gime's inability to establish itself.
The landowner shrugged his shoulders. Why should one protest only against the police, when the postal services, industry, sanitation, everything was so bad? This arresting of people was a result of that obsession with authority which is the privilege of the impotent. The complete unfoundedness of the arrests throws light on the mystery of the Six-Day War far more than it is explained by it.
The poor little Jewish accountant asked if he could get kasher food at Abul Zaabal. The senator shrugged his shoulders. One of the policemen told us that the Israelis (he said "the Jews") were pouring across Sinai; they had opened up the gates of the El Tor prison where his brother had been interned for ten years as a member of the Moslem Brotherhood.' He had gone to Saudi Arabia.
The old hulk, bogged down in the rich earth, suddenly appeared in front of us: it was an enormous sooty parallelepiped striped with bars: a bad set by Buffet for a 1930 performance- of Big House. We went in.
Only Women's Names
An officer broke away from a group. He was jovial and held out his hand. I went forward smiling with my arm outstretched. "Hello," he said. "Hello!" I said, and someone yelled: "It's me!" The old senator and the fat landowner were on the ground; they were undressing, a palm branch whistling over their heads. Another officer cornered me against the bars and asked my name. I told him. He took me by the throat. No, here no one was called by his name. Here there were no watches, no names, no shoes. There was not even a register: there were only women's names.
The officer who was dealing with my companions barked an order. We dashed round a hundred meters on a closed course. The officer who had cornered me against the bars tripped us up, we fell one on top of another. Palm branch, blows. We started off again. The senator ran faster than me but by the second round we were level. He wanted to tell me something but he couldn't: his dental plate was out of place.
Then the officers asked us if we knew any noncom's in the air force, how much we earned. The senator said that he had 1,800 feddans sequestrated and 45 pounds in rent. An officer gave him a kick.
"Who are you?" he asked the senator.
"Zanuba,"2 the senator answered without hesitation.
And he said that he knew the drill, that he had been there in 1956 when the Israelis had hit the camp by mistake.
"What else are you?"
"A pervert."
"And you?" he said to me.
I didn't know. He landed me one straight in the plexus.
"You are a pervert, too. Your name will be Khaduga." Another woman's pet name. Then he searched me, found my tobacco and slowly spilt it over my head. A little old man got up on a stool and shaved our heads. Then came the disguise. With our bare feet, our shaven heads, our baggy trousers and our fatigues which came down to our knees, we looked like Mexican walk-ons who had got the wrong set. I parted ceremoniously from Zanuba outside his cell. The Moslem Brother who led me to mine said without turning his head, or moving his lips: "Don't worry, you're not the pervert. We all know here who the pervert is. Can't you guess who is the pervert?"

 

unless they had their citizenship stripped or faced an expulsion order, they were NOT actually forced out.

sorry

 

All of the above!!!!!! You reinforce the fact that you have not checked the history of <Jews of the Arab Countries>... and unless you do, please do not write about hem.

 

no, i have read all about the Jews from the Muslim countries.

some lost thier citizenship. some did not.

some were expelled. some were not.

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his exact quote from his book says that according to the rules of Belligerent Occupation, Israel has the right to Occupy the West Bank, until there is a peace treaty.

that conflicts with most of your claims.

 

I already replied to it, please re-read my last comment to you.