Gay Chrsitians: Oxymoron?

Soddom and Gomorrah?? They were destroyed a thousand years before Abraham.. by earthquakes on the Rift Valley.

 

The bible says a lot, but being that it is language it is open to interpretation. Thus some people get one meaning others get another.

Frankly I don't see anything in the bible that is against homosexuality.

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As the Canon goes they were destroyed because of their inhospitable nature.

 

Christianity isn't the quest to be perfect. Humans commit sins of all kinds. Christians commit sins every day.

Christ came for a reason. We can not be perfect. No one could live by the laws man created in the Old Testament. Christ came and taught grace and forgiveness.

 

Talking about other posters is forbidden, oh wait you did not mean Oxymoron the posters, hmmmm.
It depends which Christians you ask, this Christian finds that there is nothing that says thy cannot be a Christian. Oh and before someone starts whining about sin, I would remind you that we are ALL sinners, and guess what GOD still loves us all and expects you to do the same, now practice what HE wants you to do.

 

Again, Christians commit sins every day. Homosexuality is indeed a sin. It is not an unforgivable sin. One can believe in Christ, but still have weaknesses which cause them to commit a variety of sins. No human has ever lived a sin free life.

 

There are plenty of Gay Christians. Christianity is open to all.

 

Homosexuality has been observed in THOUSANDS of different animal species.

Whether a person is Gay is based upon their Genome.

It's kind of silly to say that a person who is born Gay is committing a sin.

Besides....what do I or does anyone else really care about what another couple does in bed?

AboveAlpha

 

I also hear they sacrificed little babies to Molech and baked them to death in little clay urns over a fire...

 

I am not sure about that, but they did pay homage to "heathen" gods

 

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So what? Animals do many things which are unacceptable with humans. It's not unusual for a dog to roll in the feces of other dogs. They often eat cat (*)(*)(*)(*) out of a cat litter box. Animals eat the offspring of other animals.

One can't justify human weaknesses by comparing it to animal conduct.

 

Dear, all it takes to be a Christian is to believe in the words of CHRIST. . .NOT to believe in the dogmas of organized religion and/or on the various INTERPRETATIONS of the old testament!

In fact, there is NOTHING more "sinful" in being gay than there is in divorcing, or adultery, or killing.

And yet. . .the ONLY focus from organized religion seems to be on banning homosexuality, but NOT divorce, or adultery, or killing (many Christians are also gun addicts. . .and, face it, guns have only one purpose: KILLING!)

 

Actually it means to believe in Christ, not just his words. It means that you accept that Christ is God and he was crucified and resurrected to forgive man of all sins, past present and future.

 

Well, that is part of believing in Christ. . .at least for the Christian fundamentalists! But I disagree that Christ "forgave man all sins, past, present and future" or we wouldn't have to keep on worrying about sins, since they are already forgiven!

As I said. .I do not believe in organized religion. . .and Organized religions are creating all those "addendum" to Christ's visit to men. Remember, God (including Christ) has NO RELIGION.

 

If one accepts Christ, all of ones sins are forgiven. That doesn't give you a free pass though.

 

I have no problem with that.

What I have a problem with is that "accept Christ" the definition of which is regulated by organized religion. I do not need to go through a "third party" to communicate with Christ.

 

Christian, is a follower of Christ. If you aren't poor through caring about others as you would yourself, then you are an oxymoronic Christian.

Oh and if you haven't been persecuted unto death then you are also an oxymoronic Christian.

So really, all you adulterous, gay persecuting, unethical busniess men, and general bastards, better stop pointing out the speck in others eyes and stop being a prick, because believe me, I've made my list on who's naughty and nice, and eternity is a long time.

You who dare to usurp my Authority, will be brought low. It's coming, it will happen and you are off side.

 

Yeah...Eternity....there is something that makes no sense.

Supposedly a person who is a vicious murderer who does not ask for forgiveness will go to HELL for Eternity.

But think about that....is such a Punishment JUSTIFIED?

I could understand having to go to HELL for say....100 Years because you murdered in Cold Blood someone and after 100 years if you asked for forgiveness and really meant it....I don't see why a person should not be forgiven?

Thing is there is no such thing as HELL....unless you count being forced to listen to Country Music for an evening!!

Here is WHY the concept of HELL makes no sense.....

A person's mental and emotional makeup are determined by several factor.

The #1 and Primary Factor is their Genetics as whether a person is going to be a Sociopath or a Psychopath or capable of purposely Murdering another person out of spite or hate or for personal gain....well some people are capable of doing this and some are not.

Just about every single person alive....not all as there is always that less than 1% who can't...but the rest of the over 99% of people who under the right conditions are capable of killing another Human Being.

Many people say they could never do such a thing but believe me....I have seen people who were the shyest and most courteous and caring people in the world turn into a vicious killing machine when say....their CHILD'S LIFE was on the line.

As well every now and then I will run into a person who would rather die than take a life and they usually end up dead and have their DNA taken out of the Gene Pool.

So Genetics plays a major part.

The #2. Primary Factor is UP BRINGING as a person who is born into violence and desperation will tend to be much more capable of taking a life compared to another who has only known love and emotional kindness.

The #3 Primary Factor is BRAIN CHEMISTRY as many people who have Chemical Imbalances in their Brain might one day be calm as a Lamb and the next day Vicious and cunning as a wolf.

The #4 Primary Factor is CAPABILITY OF LOGIC as some people who would never hurt another person if they didn't have to....when presented with a CHOICE where either they or someone they love or know could die if they didn't act are able to just FLIP A SWITCH and do what is necessary for the Greater Good or the Good of a Loved One or Neighbor or just another person or group of people.

Now taking all this into consideration if a GOD as described in the Bible exists....which is unlikely in the extreme...but for this example we will say it does....and this GOD used a combination of Quantum and Biological Evolution to create the Multiverse, Universe and all things and life within them.....

.....and if this GOD has a PLAN....and knows what will happen in Past, Present and Future States and as such a GOD created the Multiverse and Universe this GOD understands that for every CHOICE presented to a person that in order for Quantum Mechanics to work there must be an existing Alternate Universal State and States where alternate versions of a person have made every possible alternate choice existing.....

....so if this is so....then FREE WILL IS AN ILLUSION.

If FREE WILL IS AN ILLUSION then how could a GOD punish it's own construct of life...ie...HUMANS....when a person is simply doing what it has been programmed to do?

Thing is you can't have FREE WILL....and at the same time have a GOD'S OVERALL PLAN.

Besides for every possible presented choice....do I stab this person or walk away or try to take the gun out of this persons hands...etc...etc...etc....there MUST be a version of a person in an Alternate Universal State of Reality making one of those choices.

AboveAlpha

 

You are not quoting me, but Judaism. I never said we had unconditional free will.

You are right about genetics. A bad seed is a sentence to oblivion. The destructive force in the universe cause corruption, and pain. We are all sometimes forced into bad deeds.

Many who seem good will be destroyed while some who seem bad will be given life. Very very few are pleasing to me, if any.

It is not for you to know if there is a hell, only to be grateful for the chance to have existed as a personal being at all.

 

Further, you will not be judged on your deeds, but on your self.

 

The whole Heaven and Hell thing makes very little sense and is illogical in the extreme.

And those who are always saying....Don't worry....it's all a part of GOD'S PLAN.

GOD'S PLAN?????

Well if this is the best plan a GOD has got it's time to fire it's A$$ and get a new PLAN!!!

AboveAlpha

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Or perhaps such JUDGEMENT...is simply an idea and construct of the human mind.

AboveAlpha

 

They say that because they are afraid. But there is no plan.

Yes, perhaps. And so maybe is leniency, and the desire for company?

 

Where did I say you did? You don't need to even go to church. You don't need to be part of an organized religion. Being saved means accepting Christ, not accepting a specific religions faith.

 

Gays, lesbians can be Christian. We are all children of God and God does not hate homosexuals God don't like sinners.

 

Then we agree!

 

Actually, God loves the sinners becasue everyone is a sinner.